Super rare 6542 GMT AKA Pussy Galore

[jatco]

I don't know much about Xeramic's credentials with only 14 posts in 11 years on TRF but he sounds knowledgeable....

[chocopeluche]

Originally Posted by jatco

I don't know much about Xeramic's credentials with only 14 posts in 11 years on TRF but he sounds knowledgeable....

Checkout his post history on VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum). There are some incredibly in depth posts which would likely be pinned if they were posted here.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by chocopeluche

Checkout his post history on VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum). There are some incredibly in depth posts which would likely be pinned if they were posted here.


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Wasn't aware of VRF.
Thx

[steversaurus]

Originally Posted by chocopeluche

Checkout his post history on VRF (Vintage Rolex Forum). There are some incredibly in depth posts which would likely be pinned if they were posted here.


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His write up on Submariner inserts might be the best thing I’ve read all year on any Rolex forum.

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Gorgeous? Did you read the subsequent comments, or just the first one? Check out the one Xeramic posted.

I'll put my faith in Ridley, whom actually put his hands on the watch and Also John Springer, and David (crowncollection). I'm sure Phillip would not post pictures and comment on a fake/franken watch....

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I'll put my faith in Ridley, whom actually put his hands on the watch and Also John Springer, and David (crowncollection). I'm sure Phillip would not post pictures and comment on a fake/franken watch....

Understood, and, of course that’s your perogative. But, my comment was aimed at the poster I was quoting (and this happens a lot) who replies in a totally perfunctory way, suggesting that the entire thread wasn’t read.
That said, Xeramic, and his many posts over many years on VRF and elsewhere, don’t appear to be those of a rookie.

But, I could be wrong…

[Knappo 1307]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Brilliant, Phillip!
dP

Originally Posted by THC

Wow, what a reference to behold in person.. well done sir

Originally Posted by FTX I

Outstanding. Thanks for sharing.

Originally Posted by brandrea

That’s incredible … what a piece of history. Thank you for sharing it with us, and nice job on the restoration

Originally Posted by 1675-David

Originally Posted by springer

Very Nice Phillip.

Originally Posted by sensui

That is a hell of a find for some lucky guy out there. Amazing.

Originally Posted by Kingface66

Understood, and, of course that’s your perogative. But, my comment was aimed at the poster I was quoting (and this happens a lot) who replies in a totally perfunctory way, suggesting that the entire thread wasn’t read.
That said, Xeramic, and his many posts over many years on VRF and elsewhere, don’t appear to be those of a rookie.

But, I could be wrong…

I agree with you if it's one poster, but when all these knowledgeable people post about it I tend to believe it's a nice example. But then again I could be wrong also...

[MILGAUSS88]

Originally Posted by Knappo 1307

I'll put my faith in Ridley, whom actually put his hands on the watch and Also John Springer, and David (crowncollection). I'm sure Phillip would not post pictures and comment on a fake/franken watch....

I respect Springer and David's opinions on watches, but I don't really think they addressed the watch itself in there comments.

Originally Posted by springer

Very Nice Phillip.

Originally Posted by crowncollection

great job

[fmc000]

Gorgeous... What? One of the prominent expert in the vintage Rolex world just said that this watch is probably a mix of fake parts and people says it's gorgeous?

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[GoingPlaces]

Just wow. That bezel is gorgeous. Great job!

[winst]

Simply lovely!

[Knappo 1307]

Just sent a PM to Phillip, asking for a follow up. After all, we are all here to learn.

[ltmgeller]

[GTS Dean]

Outstanding work! Thanks for sharing this example.

[WKHendrickson]

Looks great, congrats.

[fmc000]

I'm astonished by comments like this one above my post.

[MILGAUSS88]

Originally Posted by fmc000

I'm astonished by comments like this one above my post.

I think some people chose to compliment Phillips work, rather than jump into The fray of whether or not it's authentic. I think it is all right to do that.

Not everyone feels qualified to determine if this watch is correct or not.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

I think some people chose to compliment Phillips work, rather than jump into The fray of whether or not it's authentic. I think it is all right to do that.

Not everyone feels qualified to determine if this watch is correct or not.

I think it’s probably a case of people looking at the pictures and then not bothering to continue reading the subsequent comments. Happens all the time.

[MILGAUSS88]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

I think it’s probably a case of people looking at the pictures and then not bothering to continue reading the subsequent comments. Happens all the time.

Well, he has not come back, and responded to this thread, after the authenticity of the parts were questioned.
Which was not the result that I wanted.

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

Well, he has not come back, and responded to this thread, after the authenticity of the parts were questioned.
Which was not the result that I wanted.

Agreed. I’m certainly not going to speculate, but I’d love to hear something!

[roh123]

Late to the party but that insert is undoubtably aftermarket. Hands are short, curved and fake too. Coronet is not what you expect on a 50’s gilt dial. Xeramic nailed it.

Would be interesting to hear back from the thread starter.

[MILGAUSS88]

I hope Philip does not stop posting photos of his projects on here, due to the kerfuffle of this one watch.

I appreciate him taking his time to show his work, and would like to bring him some watches to work on some day.

[Tavli3]

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

I hope Philip does not stop posting photos of his projects on here, due to the kerfuffle of this one watch.

I appreciate him taking his time to show his work, and would like to bring him some watches to work on some day.

Why should it discourage Philip, he's a watchmaker not a vintage historian expert like Xeramic, don't think Xeramic can do what Philip does so why would we expect Philip to do what Xeramic can do?

[springer]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

Why should it discourage Philip, he's a watchmaker not a vintage historian expert like Xeramic, don't think Xeramic can do what Philip does so why would we expect Philip to do what Xeramic can do?

Good point. The watch was sent to Phillip for a service, not a complete vintage authentication. This watch may very well contain many fake and/or deceptive parts. Very few people know are capable of authenticating these old, vintage 6542s - I being one of them. I stay as far away as possible from these watches due to the proliferation of not only complete counterfeit watches, but many with aftermarket parts.

Many have been fooled by these vintage models that are fake or contain aftermarket parts - to include some of the big-name auction houses and some of the reputable trusted dealers discussed here in past threads.

[phillip ridley]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

Why should it discourage Philip, he's a watchmaker not a vintage historian expert like Xeramic, don't think Xeramic can do what Philip does so why would we expect Philip to do what Xeramic can do?

Originally Posted by springer

Good point. The watch was sent to Phillip for a service, not a complete vintage authentication. This watch may very well contain many fake and/or deceptive parts. Very few people know are capable of authenticating these old, vintage 6542s - I being one of them. I stay as far away as possible from these watches due to the proliferation of not only complete counterfeit watches, but many with aftermarket parts.

Many have been fooled by these vintage models that are fake or contain aftermarket parts - to include some of the big-name auction houses and some of the reputable trusted dealers discussed here in past threads.

Hey, everyone. Sorry been busy with my family and am just now getting around to this. First of all, Happy 4th of July and hope everyone is safe out there.

As to this thread, yes, it seems this watch did not go the direction I intended and a lot of that I will own for not researching it before posting. The watch was sent in for a service and service alone. I did realize the hands were not correct, as well as re-lumed. I did not compare the dial to any other 6542 out there, just examined the case, serial numbers and tested the lume with a UV light, then focused on the repairs. As we all can see, this watch had excessive moisture damage and I believed that to be the reason why the bakelite had a yellow patina. If I were to look at the triangle and how the inside of the numbers closest to the crystal still have a lighter color which made me think nothing of it...

I appreciate Xeramic for bringing this to light and have learned much from it!
Again, Happy 4th!

[fmc000]

Exactly.

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[MILGAUSS88]

Looks like I quoted the wrong person, I was trying to respond to Tavli3 on my last post.

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[scooba]

What ever has been said it’s a nice watch even with its warts, Thank you Philip for sharing and also to Xeramic for his knowledge and education as always, I have read lots of his posts over the years on VRF if he said it ,He will be correct

Two very nice Gents sharing there individual experience and expertise

[Verdi]

I have a good watchmaker that I use for many years. He works on any brand....vintage and new. He is no expert in a certain model or brand. He fixes and restores watches....he does not authenticate and he makes it clear.

Obviously, Philip is a very good watchmaker and I personally draw a very clear line between his work and whatever is wrong with this particular watch.

[baumare]

What I see in this tread are two experts showings their skills, one in the art of watchmaking and one in the study of Vintage Rolex, I can only thank them for sharing their knowledge. At this point the owner of the watch (which he may follow this TD) has a watch in perfect working condition and a technical evaluation from an expert.
Personally I learned the hard way to ask an expert before buying and service a collectible item such a 6542...