What's the next big brand?

[charger_vital]

Originally Posted by mongrelnomoad

Still holding out for a 222 reissue at the anniversary. Not holding my breath though.

If they ever do come out with the 222, it will be in very high demand (impossible for shmoes like me to get). I still consider that the all-time best bracelet for an integrated watch... or any watch.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by AK797

Very nice Tom, and pretty unique, quality pick up.

Originally Posted by charger_vital

Great Purchase! This is a fantastic piece... Really exceptional.

Thanks gents

[mailman]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Nice one neighbor

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

Czapek Antarctique is fantastic. I am seriously considering this watch.

Friendly heads up as build is now out to Feb or March 2023. The longer you wait, the longer you'll be waiting.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by mailman

Nice one neighbor

Thanks P

[djnick]

you can book it that Zenith if you dont count it already is the next brand on the rise. Otherwise BVLGARI due to incredible watch making and brand reputation. Parmi is just too niche to get main stream exposure. GP has been mentioned as well but that just dealers buying up inventory and hyping up the market since people are priced out of rolex ap pp

[enjoythemusic]

Another friendly heads up, Laine is booked out until Q4 2022 right now.

For those who missed it, my Muse conned me!!! She's claiming this one and will 'allow' me to wear it when she's not.

[Bug04]

Wow real compliments! I had the impression when I saw other pictures that this would have been beautiful but kind of plain … instead this picture shows an impressive depth of the watch. Great catch and great watch!

Originally Posted by GB-man

[mps354]

Another vote for moser, the streamliner is so good

[flyguy33]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Great pic GB-man, this one is difficult to capture well on camera. Looks great

[Scott_]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Another friendly heads up, Laine is booked out until Q4 2022 right now.

For those who missed it, my Muse conned me!!! She's claiming this one and will 'allow' me to wear it when she's not.

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Did you order direct from Laine or via one of their US retailers. I have a feeling that there’s a GG3 in my future. Also, how much of a deposit is required now for a Q4 2022 order.

[enjoythemusic]

PM sent Scott. :)

[ILoveFerrari]

Everyone has a opinion. Of course I do too, but as a watch is a mechanical piece that tells time and it is supposed to be accurate with certain degree of fluctuation expected at different price range, how could one be okay with AP known movement inaccuracies at the price point it commands. Also, a watch could also be considered an art piece of which innovation is another important consideration, be it the dial design and movement innovation. Lastly, number of awards...GPHG, as simple objective measure of number of crierian met to receive the award. But of course Avenger movies as blockbuster movie are not considered worthy enough for an Oscar. Black Panther was an exception - there was political reasons behind for its nomination.

If you are looking at watches as an investment, then it's likely a different perspective. As a watch collector, that is how I look at my watches. I have a Kari Voutilainen Sports28 coming in 18 months and working on a bespoke one with him. I think Kari has a very unique combination of both art and business sense. 8 GPHG awards and acquiring Urban Jürgensen. I look forward to his future. But he is not most known for his movement innovation, unless I see he creates a resonance as the fourth only watchmaker that can create one. And of course I am waiting for my Resonance from Journe.

Also, to take off does not mean it will substain. Czapek, sure, but for how long? Are we talking about taking off during this environment when everyone has free money from the government and inflation? Moritz Grossman? sure but Christine is no watchmaker. Grönefeld has already taken off. Vacheron is the oldest manufacturer and still well alive. With independent watchmaker, one has to think about what happens after the watchmaker dies. I have two overseas, a rose gold and SS blue dial, beautiful and elegant, sure, but it's certainly riding on this wave. Few years ago, one can buy a nautilus easily, right? remember? Rolex is in a different world as a property equity value proposition. A toolman's watch, minimal movement finish thus you will never see the open back, and durable. During wars, one escaped easily with a gold Rolex than a bar of gold. This value perception imprints on many people including me, but will I go buy a rolex , no for the reasons above, except the one my father passed onto me.

So my answer to the op question is that it really depends on how we define taking off. At the end of the day, just buy what you like. Same wisdom one shares commonly on Fchat. If one worries how much it depreciates, then maybe it is not the time to buy one yet.

[RobHK]

Wise words ilovegt

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by ilovegt

At the end of the day, just buy what you like.

Great post ilovegt and 100% agree with this ^^^^

[MostlyCloudy]

czapek's thread here has been going wild

[RolexSimon]

Originally Posted by MostlyCloudy

czapek's thread here has been going wild

I've got a build date Jan 2023 for the ice blue antartique.

[RolexSimon]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Another friendly heads up, Laine is booked out until Q4 2022 right now.

For those who missed it, my Muse conned me!!! She's claiming this one and will 'allow' me to wear it when she's not.

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Love it - signature movement in rose or yellow gold? Bit difficult to see the colour of the movement finish.

[RolexSimon]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Love it - out of curiosity, do you prefer the GT Tondagraph panda or the new PF Chronometer in blue with the date at 4 o'clock? I like the new logo over the long name but love the panda dials and big date in the middle top. Can't decide which to go for??

[flyguy33]

Originally Posted by RolexSimon

Love it - out of curiosity, do you prefer the GT Tondagraph panda or the new PF Chronometer in blue with the date at 4 o'clock? I like the new logo over the long name but love the panda dials and big date in the middle top. Can't decide which to go for??

I don't think you can go wrong with either, to me it is more of a question regarding what are you looking for? The panda is going to be sportier and the PF a little more refined and dressy. I've seen the black dial tondagraph in person and it is really well finished. I haven't see the PF chronograph, but I have a feeling that the blue is special.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by RolexSimon

Love it - out of curiosity, do you prefer the GT Tondagraph panda or the new PF Chronometer in blue with the date at 4 o'clock? I like the new logo over the long name but love the panda dials and big date in the middle top. Can't decide which to go for??

Tough call the white pops but the new one has an integrated movement and is 1.3 mm thinner. I think that would at least require me to try it on.

That said man that split seconds in platinum they did is the ticket. I can’t afford it but wow.

[Fedpete]

Controversial position here. GP sucks. It’s getting live from everyone who can’t get an AP.

HYT will be new RM in 3-5 years.


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[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Don’t think so. They will poach those waiting for a Jumbo though, but AP is on a different strata in terms of demand. AP and Patek demand has lifted VC. Pure watchmaking, VC is excellent. Solely speaking to demand.

Not sure about that....AP struggles in China while VC has a solid footing.




https://watchesbysjx.com/2022/02/mos...nds-china.html

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

No one is touching: Patek and Rolex. Period.
Every brand can try but again...

x2

There is a limited number of people willing to spend tens of thousands on smaller makes like Czapek, Parmigiani, Moser, etc.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[yoast]

Originally Posted by Fedpete

HYT will be new RM in 3-5 years.

Perhaps... if they can get the case size down.
I do have high hopes for the new management.

[TK-710]

Originally Posted by DoctorA

I believe MOSER and GLASHUTTE ORIGINAL are the next big thing

You get too horology for a fraction of the price and relatively short wait (for now)
I expect that we will be having threads upon threads in a year or so regretting how we passed on those pieces when they were available!

I remember when the hulk was sitting in cases and when I was offered 23% discount on the platona and now look where they are!!!

I agree on GLASHUTTE ORIGINAL. Actually let me clarify. I do not know if they will be the next big thing. What I do know is if I was actually in the market right now for another Rolex, with their limited availability and ridiculous gray prices, I would rather spend my money on GO then a Rolex. Even if the market levels out I still think GO has, for me, replaced Rolex in what I would want in my next SS sports watch at that price point. However I doubt that the number of people needed to make them the next big thing would ever pick GO over Rolex if they had an equal shot at both. To bad too.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Not sure about that....AP struggles in China while VC has a solid footing.




https://watchesbysjx.com/2022/02/mos...nds-china.html

It seems that that’s a low sample size and the list is volatile. Look at the year over year movements. Vacheron is slotted in 2021 where AP was last year. Not disagreeing with you, but seems reasonable to say that, globally, beyond just China, AP is more popular than VC.

[rag5178]

Originally Posted by djnick

you can book it that Zenith if you dont count it already is the next brand on the rise. Otherwise BVLGARI due to incredible watch making and brand reputation. Parmi is just too niche to get main stream exposure. GP has been mentioned as well but that just dealers buying up inventory and hyping up the market since people are priced out of rolex ap pp

I've been thinking Bulgari would take off for a while now and they just haven't, but I'm optimistic they will. The octo finissimo, while generally well regarded, deserves more love.

I agree with you on GP's rise being due to dealers and people being priced out of Rolex/AP/PP, but that doesn't mean that it won't take off. GP makes some pretty awesome watches, but many hesitate to buy due to the depreciation you experience after buying. If dealers are successful in hyping the brand enough to eliminate that depreciation, I think there will be genuine interest in the brand to continue supporting the rise up.

Hype or no hype, GP is no slouch, having been around longer than AP/PP/Rolex and the Laureato beat the 222 and Nautilus to market.