Considering trading a VCO 4500V for a Daytona 116500LN

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by HarryFlashman

Which one is the well-made watch and which is the jewelry?

Did they finally add hacking seconds to the VCO?

No

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by mayank1280

Moda on Facebook group?


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Yes!

[swish77]

Originally Posted by nr1416

The non tapered bracelet on the Overseas is a deal breaker for me, the bracelet is just to wide at the clasp.

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This is inaccurate. The VC Overseas bracelet, and the two additional quick-change straps that come with the watch, are indeed tapered. Not as much as the Rolex Daytona bracelet, but they are tapered.

[Watchdog]

No way

[NachoNeal]

Boring dial or overly busy dial? Tough call.

[rg9390]

Trading quality for popularity (although 116500's quality is great, just the 4500 is at another level, IMHO).

It depends if you wanted to be under the radar or not when you put on your watch.

IMO, I won't.

[inadeje]

Do it. When the whole watch “any brand” craze fizzles definitively pretty soon, the outlier brands who rose with the tide will find themselves back to the mediocre brands they were for decades. Rolex will not suffer that fate and your Daytona will always be class.

Do it fast, the parity secondary market pricing won’t be in your favor much longer.

[mulberry083]

Is your wrist 7” or larger? If so, keep the 4500v. The Daytona would be too small, and the 4500v is an absolutely stunning watch.

[MHB]

Daytona all day. I can’t get over the look of the VC bracelet. Subjective, I know. In terms of dollar for dollar value, I have no idea. Good luck.

[cloudken]

Also this question would be laughed at back in 2018 or 2019. Back then the comparison was Daytona vs RO and those questions were quite frequent. Anybody here then would be trading a VC blue for a Panda Daytona straight up.

Nothing with the watches has changed, back then VC still better quality haute horology etc, but nobody cared and the panda was by far the hottest watch on the market. Just a lot of short term external market fluctuations past few years and skyrocketing demand of similar watches has resulted in a VC 4500v bump.

My point this time is you're overvaluing the VC, similar to how an decent sports team can be overvalued in their next game if they played a good game the previous one.

[JRell]

Originally Posted by cloudken

Also this question would be laughed at back in 2018 or 2019. Back then the comparison was Daytona vs RO and those questions were quite frequent. Anybody here then would be trading a VC blue for a Panda Daytona straight up.

Nothing with the watches has changed, back then VC still better quality haute horology etc, but nobody cared and the panda was by far the hottest watch on the market. Just a lot of short term external market fluctuations past few years and skyrocketing demand of similar watches has resulted in a VC 4500v bump.

My point this time is you're overvaluing the VC, similar to how an decent sports team can be overvalued in their next game if they played a good game the previous one.

Excellent point. I was thinking the same thing, but couldn’t articulate it the way you did. The watch hype overall, primary Rolex, made it difficult to purchase, so that pushed people even more to Patek, AP and VC. Patek and AP impossible to get, so you then go VC. It was like a domino effect. We can debate quality and horologly, but Rolex was the brand that really made the luxury watch market hot, which VC benefited from. From a value perspective, Daytona very well might outlive the VC, no matter how well it is built. So I can make a case for just going what you like better.

[djtheot]

One final thought, I got out of the Daytonas because I did not like the attention they were commanding when wearing. As a passionate watch collector I have worn a steel Rolex in one form or another for over 13 years and never had anyone approach me or pay much attention. That has all changed post Covid. I do not like the attention either of my Daytona's bought, people were staring from a distance and it made me uncomfortable, also the first question inevitably was always, did you get it at retail?. As I have got deeper into the hobby I have started to move away from Rolex, the games are too painful to play at the AD, even with purchase history and not being able to wear and enjoy my pieces has become a deal breaker. The VC can fly under the radar and those who know know. All hype pieces are dropping in value, the Daytona will always ne king of resale. You may live in a part of the world were wearing a Daytona is not an issue in public, but I wanted to provide a real world view on my recent experience.

[Moondoggy]

Originally Posted by djtheot

One final thought, I got out of the Daytonas because I did not like the attention they were commanding when wearing. As a passionate watch collector I have worn a steel Rolex in one form or another for over 13 years and never had anyone approach me or pay much attention. That has all changed post Covid. I do not like the attention either of my Daytona's bought, people were staring from a distance and it made me uncomfortable, also the first question inevitably was always, did you get it at retail?. As I have got deeper into the hobby I have started to move away from Rolex, the games are too painful to play at the AD, even with purchase history and not being able to wear and enjoy my pieces has become a deal breaker. The VC can fly under the radar and those who know know. All hype pieces are dropping in value, the Daytona will always ne king of resale. You may live in a part of the world were wearing a Daytona is not an issue in public, but I wanted to provide a real world view on my recent experience.

Unfortunately for me while I still love Rolex the hype has been brought on by the uneducated, VC is a notch above oh so is JLC, GS, BP etc. I’ve put my collection away (nearly all sentimental purchases) going to buy a Grossmann, Mosier, Laine etc and have that feeling I did in the early 90’s I did with about Rolex. Personally and no offence when an Insta fanboy noticed my Rolex I was embarrassed. When I see bikies with birthday cakes and icing dollar signs and Rolex logos it’s not for me, peace to all but I know my nook in the world.

I’m not a complicated man but I do like to be a self thinker.

[NachoNeal]

Originally Posted by djtheot

One final thought, I got out of the Daytonas because I did not like the attention they were commanding when wearing. As a passionate watch collector I have worn a steel Rolex in one form or another for over 13 years and never had anyone approach me or pay much attention. That has all changed post Covid. I do not like the attention either of my Daytona's bought, people were staring from a distance and it made me uncomfortable, also the first question inevitably was always, did you get it at retail?. As I have got deeper into the hobby I have started to move away from Rolex, the games are too painful to play at the AD, even with purchase history and not being able to wear and enjoy my pieces has become a deal breaker. The VC can fly under the radar and those who know know. All hype pieces are dropping in value, the Daytona will always ne king of resale. You may live in a part of the world were wearing a Daytona is not an issue in public, but I wanted to provide a real world view on my recent experience.

[thekman]

Worst idea I have heard all week. All I can think of when I wear my Overseas or ROs is why the F do I still bother with Rolex. Good watches but nowhere near the trinity.

[cloudken]

Originally Posted by JRell

Excellent point. I was thinking the same thing, but couldn’t articulate it the way you did. The watch hype overall, primary Rolex, made it difficult to purchase, so that pushed people even more to Patek, AP and VC. Patek and AP impossible to get, so you then go VC. It was like a domino effect. We can debate quality and horologly, but Rolex was the brand that really made the luxury watch market hot, which VC benefited from. From a value perspective, Daytona very well might outlive the VC, no matter how well it is built. So I can make a case for just going what you like better.

Plus when you buy into VC your also at the whim of a publicly traded conglomerate and shareholders. Not to say VC and Richemont cant make it work, but its not the same as Rolex, AP, PP that are private owned/charity trusts that dont need to report to higher ups, worry about share price or how other brands in the umbrella are doing.

[szabo_martin]

I agree its not such an absurd trade as some are making it seem. Yes the caliber finish is higher on the VC but its a stainless three hander vs a tank of a stainless chrono. The Daytona is the far more desirable watch, and Rolex has stronger brand power. Really comes down to what you'd wear more?

[dafuture]

I wouldn't do it personally. I much prefer the VC.

[brandon13]

The Panda Daytona is gorgeous, I admit. However, I personally would not do this trade. The quality of finish and overall craftsmanship on the VC 4500 is OUTSTANDING when compared to Rolex. That particular VC is a stunner, different, and iconic. In a room full of watch geeks, at least on my book, you'd get more admiration on the VC than on the hyper-hyped Panda.

The Panda will likely drop to the mid 20s next year. If you feel the itch still by then and have no chance of getting one at retail (as is the case for most of us mortals), then pull the trigger then.

[medcoastsol]

nope. although i was never really a fan of chronographs

[sierradelta1312]

I wouldn’t do it. Keep the VCO, such a beautiful watch. Ride the market down and pick up the Daytona at a lower price than today. Save your sheckles so you can have both.

[Seddyspaghetti]

Both are great pieces for sure but Id rather have the daytona. Sorry not sorry. Dont care if it’s less horological, not as well finished blah blah. To me, the aesthetics of the daytona checks all the boxes.

[szabo_martin]

Funny people say the "quality" of the VCO is better. That is actually not true. It has more time spent on the finishing process but its definitely not better "quality".

[xjeeunitx]

Watch wise... VCO is superior.
Price wise... You are better off trading for the Panda.
VCO took huge hits over the past few months. What year is the Panda?

[RolexBHR]

Originally Posted by thekman

Worst idea I have heard all week. All I can think of when I wear my Overseas or ROs is why the F do I still bother with Rolex. Good watches but nowhere near the trinity.

In the same boat and fully agree. Plus the VC OS is way rarer then the mass produced Daytona, confirmed from a VC watchmaker that they make circa 5k VC OS in all variations per year, including ladies VC OS, so we are talking less than 500 of the time only blue dials per year vs. what, maybe 25k of the white dial daytona?

[BLACKHORSE 6]

Originally Posted by szabo_martin

Funny people say the "quality" of the VCO is better. That is actually not true. It has more time spent on the finishing process but its definitely not better "quality".

I have often wondered about this when people talk about the holy trinity of AP, PP, and VC. They are finished to a high level and are without a doubt great looking watches... but I lead a very active lifestyle and I love the fact that my Daytona (like all Rolex watches) is built like a tank.

Legit question as I'm not a watch maker: are the chronographs offered by other companies at similar price points as reliable as a Daytona?

I would also wonder about the cost of servicing the watch and how long it would be in the shop.

[ev8296]

Don’t be a fool No!

[szabo_martin]

Originally Posted by BLACKHORSE 6

I have often wondered about this when people talk about the holy trinity of AP, PP, and VC. They are finished to a high level and are without a doubt great looking watches... but I lead a very active lifestyle and I love the fact that my Daytona (like all Rolex watches) is built like a tank.

Legit question as I'm not a watch maker: are the chronographs offered by other companies at similar price points as reliable as a Daytona?

I would also wonder about the cost of servicing the watch and how long it would be in the shop.

Back to car comparisons... its like going from MB, BMW, to Bentley, Rolls Royce...Less dealers, higher priced parts, etc. Granted they are more bespoke but you pay for it over the long run too not just initial MSRP

[Daryl]

for me, I will not:)

[sski]

i'd go from a VCO to a VCO Chrono, or Royal Oak Chrono; definitely not downgrade to a Daytona!