What would you do in this situation?

[WatchGuy1966]

Originally Posted by Snowballs

I think that once you have a financial capability to purchase one or more Rolex or other luxury timepieces you should not have to prove / demonstrate your possession of said items to anyone including an AD. This is not 'a proof of life' situation. IMHO.

It's an issue of supply and demand

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by WatchGuy1966

It's an issue of supply and demand

Yup.

No idea why so many people are triggered by this. The sense of entitlement shown is mindblowing.

Want the watch?, adhere to the ADs simple and reasonable request.

If someone finds this simple request insulting, they'll be feeling positively violated if they try a Porsche or Ferrari dealership

[Brian Page]

I have a good relationship with my dealer, I've even passed on a couple so I think he understands I'm not a flipper.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Brian Page

I have a good relationship with my dealer, I've even passed on a couple so I think he understands I'm not a flipper.

Yeah, I've also been offered, and accepted watches that I've been open about my feelings on the watch.

For example, I was sold a TT watch once. My SA really wanted to sell me the watch, I told her I'd owned a TT sports watch in the past and I couldn't bond with it. If I buy it there's a really good chance I won't keep it. She straight up told me that she didn't care what I did with that watch, but if she sold me a watch where that would be an issue she'd say so and we'd get on the same page prior to commitment.

[Chadridv]

just show them. not a big deal to me, but I get the frustration.

On the surface it does seem like more of the same "AD Games", but if you actually think about it they're ultimately protecting you and trying to get watches in the right hands.

[fsprow]

Nope, it’s my watch and I can do what I wish with it - unless we had a prior agreement limiting my actions.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by fsprow

Nope, it’s my watch and I can do what I wish with it - unless we had a prior agreement limiting my actions.

You absolutely can do what you wish with it. Just as AD isn’t obligated to sell you another watch…


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[WatchGuy1966]

Stephen Covey in his "7 habits of highly effective people" says:

"Seek first to understand"

I think this is a perfect example of when to consider using this life-tool.

So from their perspective:

1. They don't know you well enough to know you are not a flipper. Perhaps you haven't done your part to maintain a relationship, which is what it takes these days to purchase a Rolex. It's simply the economics of luxury consumerism.

2. They don't know how to ascertain from one's tone of voice, word selection, and other factors whether or not you are a flipper. They've been burned in the past.

Why would you take it personally if they don't bow down? Why would it make you "feel bad?" Did you do something wrong to feel bad about? No, of course, you didn't. So don't feel bad. ok?

By this time, you know very well the state of the Rolex situation - you've been an active member here for the past few years. Does their response really surprise you? They are trying to help you qualify.

I think professional selling is simply helping people get what they want and need. They are trying to help you, and yet you are "frustrated."

[BKScripto]

I think I would only be triggered if I somehow knew they were selling out the backdoor to flippers. But if they are asking you that, they probably aren't. Still some decent ADs or at least SAs out there it seems. My SAs at least act like they really want to sell my a Rolex haha.

I get the argument that it's your hard earned money... but this is a different animal.

[Calatrava r]

It might make me feel bad, mostly, because it is none of their business what I do with my property. But if I want the next watch from an AD, I know I am going to have comply with whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that everybody would understand the need to sell one watch to fund the purchase of another.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

It might make me feel bad, mostly, because it is none of their business what I do with my property. But if I want the next watch from an AD, I know I am going to have comply with whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that everybody would understand the need to sell one watch to fund the purchase of another.

Correct. Its none of their business. But of you want to deal with them, you have to play by their rules.

If you don't want to play by their rules, go elsewhere.

Its simple.

Its their AD business. Their contract with Rolex. Their rules. Not anyone else's.

[SilverFoxUK]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

It might make me feel bad, mostly, because it is none of their business what I do with my property. But if I want the next watch from an AD, I know I am going to have comply with whatever they want. It wasn't long ago that everybody would understand the need to sell one watch to fund the purchase of another.

I agree with this. Not everyone has the means to build a massive collection, many people have to sell something to finance another watch purchase. Some people may sell a watch to buy something else in their life, or maybe sell a watch they no longer like as much as they used to. Nothing is wrong with this. If that person makes a profit in doing so, nothing wrong with that, it's their property and market forces dictate the price they get.

Reading the whole thread and similar ones, it seems anyone who ever sells an AD-bought watch is being demonized. Let's be clear what people mean by a flipper - I take it to mean someone with no intention of keeping watches who repeatedly buys them and sells them QUICKLY for profit. Your average person who sells a watch they don't wear much after a year or two should not feel the need to hide this fact from the AD.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by SilverFoxUK

I agree with this. Not everyone has the means to build a massive collection, many people have to sell something to finance another watch purchase. Some people may sell a watch to buy something else in their life, or maybe sell a watch they no longer like as much as they used to. Nothing is wrong with this. If that person makes a profit in doing so, nothing wrong with that, it's their property and market forces dictate the price they get.

Reading the whole thread and similar ones, it seems anyone who ever sells an AD-bought watch is being demonized. Let's be clear what people mean by a flipper - I take it to mean someone with no intention of keeping watches who repeatedly buys them and sells them QUICKLY for profit. Your average person who sells a watch they don't wear much after a year or two should not feel the need to hide this fact from the AD.

We don’t know his long it’s been since the OP bought the watch.
I assume after a year or so they wouldn’t care. ADs understand that most people aren’t going to endlessly accumulate watches. If they want to sell you more watches, you’ll probably eventually have to sell some.
Plus once you’ve bought two or three watches, they will know you and won’t care. My AD certainly doesn’t. The SA I work with asked me on my last visit if I was considering selling my sub. We talk about moving on from watches all the time.

But I agree with your general sentiment. There is a contingent here that weirdly thinks no one should ever sell a watch. And will tell you proudly they still have every watch they have ever bought. Congratulations?

I say this all the time. People are so upset with not being able to get these watches that it completely messes with their brains. The anti flipper sentiment has morphed into the idea no one should ever sell a watch. It’s crazy.

[BayAreaTech]

Originally Posted by baamvino

Hey guys,

When you're trying to put your name on the list for a new watch, if your AD asked you to show them the watch you bought from their store to prove that you are not a reseller, would you do it? Or would it make you feel bad?

I never sold my watch, but was a bit frustrated when they asked..

I'd do it. I walk into my AD with the watches I have purchased in the past on my wrist. So no need to go to this level of trust.

Seems that the AD Relationship may not be where you believe it is.

[sawhornsoff]

I don't have a problem showing the watch however in the 16 plus years I've been dealing with the same AD, they have never asked. They comfortably know I don't sell watches and keep them forever. With that relationship, I am offered pieces ahead of their waiting list even if I am not on the list. Work the relationship, send the AD reliable non flipper referrals and in time they will likely never ask and get you whatever you want.

[future]

Why not show them? Nothing to be insulted about.

[alphadweller]

I actually make a point of wearing a watch they sold me, it's part of the protocol. I make sure they see it and know I bought it from them. No problem at all. Fair play.

[Old Geezer]

Originally Posted by baamvino

Hey guys,

When you're trying to put your name on the list for a new watch, if your AD asked you to show them the watch you bought from their store to prove that you are not a reseller, would you do it? Or would it make you feel bad?

I never sold my watch, but was a bit frustrated when they asked..

I'd ask them which one they wanted to see if it wasn't the one on my wrist

[dubins930]

Imagine letting a sales person dictate the things you wear …
Rolex has derailed

[Ruvv]

I will show them it is no big deal

[CarlOver]

Originally Posted by baamvino

Hey guys,

When you're trying to put your name on the list for a new watch, if your AD asked you to show them the watch you bought from their store to prove that you are not a reseller, would you do it? Or would it make you feel bad?

I never sold my watch, but was a bit frustrated when they asked..

Yes, why be insulted. So many flippers that created the crazy market of last year.

[Steverin06]

Wearing a watch you bought from your AD is one of the crucial tips to get another one

[Guppydriver]

You could always look at the positive side...

An AD wouldn't bother even asking if they weren't seriously considering you for another purchase. Maybe this is a salesperson who has an deep affinity for watches and wants to build a clientele primarily consisting of watch lovers as opposed to investors.

I can think of a LOT things to be justifiably pissed at or insulted by...

An AD wanting to make sure he/she sells an in demand watch to someone who will appreciate and enjoy it while respecting the integrity of the hobby just isn't one of them.

Life must be pretty good if this is the type of audacious behavior and inconvenience that sets you off. Consider me envious.

[PT_91]

Originally Posted by guppydriver

you could always look at the positive side...

An ad wouldn't bother even asking if they weren't seriously considering you for another purchase. Maybe this is a salesperson who has an deep affinity for watches and wants to build a clientele primarily consisting of watch lovers as opposed to investors.

I can think of a lot things to be justifiably pissed at or insulted by...

An ad wanting to make sure he/she sells an in demand watch to someone who will appreciate and enjoy it while respecting the integrity of the hobby just isn't one of them.

Life must be pretty good if this is the type of audacious behavior and inconvenience that sets you off. Consider me envious.

+1

[JJGreen]

I've never heard of that before, but sort of cool IMO

[ChocBoyWonder]

Personally I'd be offended but only because of my location; however I'd still show but would like to respectfully know what my chances are.