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FlyinHawaiian · 10 May 2023, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

Great another 32xx movement bashing thread.

Just what we need.

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Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree Brian some like to bash the 32 movements at every opportunity and for what in most cases loosing a few seconds out of spec considering there are 86400 in a day.

Well maybe Rolex will take notice and respond to these minuscule issues...or not? As you know there is 86400 seconds in a day. If we don't care about the "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified" statement prominently displayed on all Rolex timepieces maybe we should ask Rolex to remove it from the dial?

Or maybe the new Rolex engineers skipped a few math classes and think there's only 86375 seconds in a day?

Or better yet, save your money and buy several Fossils, Montblancs, Invictas, etc. for the price of one Rolex. They probably keep just as good or better time.

padi56 · 11 May 2023, 12:15 AM

The words "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified have been on the Rolex dials for around 50 years.And all it means in the real world the movement was tested at the Swiss COSC at time of testing passed the average daily -4+6 seconds. So they can put the word chronometer on the dial under Swiss law for watches nothing more..

rcwatchcollector · 11 May 2023, 12:19 AM

Isn’t the cosc certification bare movement anyways? So when it is installed who know what can happen. Move a screw a little bit now we have lost 10 sec in a day. Ha ha.

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FlyinHawaiian · 11 May 2023, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

The words "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified have been on the Rolex dials for around 50 years.And all it means in the real world the movement was tested at the Swiss COSC at time of testing passed the average daily -4+6 seconds. So they can put the word chronometer on the dial under Swiss law for watches nothing more..

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Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Isn’t the cosc certification bare movement anyways? So when it is installed who know what can happen. Move a screw a little bit now we have lost 10 sec in a day. Ha ha.

Thanks. The "Superlative..." phrase was added by Rolex since they regulate the movement further to -2/+2 seconds per day.

Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

The words "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified have been on the Rolex dials for around 50 years.And all it means in the real world the movement was tested at the Swiss COSC at time of testing passed the average daily -4+6 seconds. So they can put the word chronometer on the dial under Swiss law for watches nothing more..

In the real world I want all my 72 Rolexeses to work as described, not 89 minutes slow per day or even ticking backwards!!

padi56 · 11 May 2023, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Thanks. The "Superlative..." phrase was added by Rolex since they regulate the movement further to -2/+2 seconds per day.

That word Superlative has been on Rolex dials for 50 plus years,yes Rolex now further tests on machines to this new precision -2+2 spec and at time of testing passed this test.But on the wrist with watch owners wearing habits could vary slightly almost daily.

brandrea · 11 May 2023, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

That word Superlative has been on Rolex dials for 50 plus years ...

Indeed, nothing new in the word Superlative being on the dial.

daveo5 · 11 May 2023, 04:06 AM

I was finally persuaded to send my 14060M cosc to Rolex for service. I bought it new about 2010? Don’t remember exactly. Watch was running perfectly all those years. This was a few months ago, now it’s running flawlessly keeping within Rolex’s +2/-2 standard. Old movement yes, but I would not swap it for the latest.

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Marast-66 · 11 May 2023, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

It’s well documented on other Forums and is a top hit for 32xx movement. It’s a small percentage based on total sales but for Rolex it’s not a good thing when you’re selling all things Rolex.

Bullshit

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Marast-66 · 11 May 2023, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Nobody wants sapphire case backs on Rolex.

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This

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Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Marast-66

Bullshit

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Wat!!!!????!!!!!

Scholar · 11 May 2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Wat!!!!????!!!!!

I think people are reacting like they did during the magnification issue, denying it until it's gone.

Likewise there were a whole bunch of people who spent the 2010s insisting that the SubC lugs were perfect, then once the 2020 Sub came out they started saying "finally Rolex fixed the lugs"…

Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scholar

I think people are reacting like they did during the magnification issue, denying it until it's gone.

Likewise there were a whole bunch of people who spent the 2010s insisting that the SubC lugs were perfect, then once the 2020 Sub came out they started saying "finally Rolex fixed the lugs"…

This is essay worthy.

Old Expat Beast · 11 May 2023, 08:58 AM

'Superlative' was added to Rolex dials in the late 1950s, so it's closer to 65 years. In those days the promised Rolex rate was something like -1/+10 secs per day, which was slightly better than the standard -3/+13 requirement for chronometer certification.

FlyinHawaiian · 11 May 2023, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

That word Superlative has been on Rolex dials for 50 plus years,yes Rolex now further tests on machines to this new precision -2+2 spec and at time of testing passed this test.But on the wrist with watch owners wearing habits could vary slightly almost daily.

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Originally Posted by brandrea

Indeed, nothing new in the word Superlative being on the dial.

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

'Superlative' was added to Rolex dials in the late 1950s, so it's closer to 65 years. In those days the promised Rolex rate was something like -1/+10 secs per day, which was slightly better than the standard -3/+13 requirement for chronometer certification.

Yes, "superlative" may have been added 50-65 years ago but "superlative chronometer" certification (-2/+2 Spd) only occurred in 2015 which coincides with the new 32XX movement? But, you all already know this.

From the Rolex.com website...

Old Expat Beast · 11 May 2023, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Yes, "superlative" may have been added 50 years ago but "superlative chronometer" certification (-2/+2 Spd) only occurred in 2015 which coincides with the new 32XX movement?

It didn't "only occur" in 2015, it was "redefined" by Rolex in 2015. See line 2 in your pic. Superlative is just a word used by Rolex, not the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres.

FlyinHawaiian · 11 May 2023, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

It didn't "only occur" in 2015, it was "redefined" by Rolex in 2015. See line 2 in your pic. Superlative is just a word used by Rolex, not the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres.

Yep. Sorry I left out the "redefined."

Nevertheless, this is what the new Rolex owners are expecting right? Otherwise, why bother with all the fancy words and "superlative certification (COSC + Rolex certification after casing)", straight out of the Rolex brochure?

Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

'Superlative' was added to Rolex dials in the late 1950s, so it's closer to 65 years. In those days the promised Rolex rate was something like -1/+10 secs per day, which was slightly better than the standard -3/+13 requirement for chronometer certification.

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Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Yes, "superlative" may have been added 50-65 years ago but "superlative chronometer" certification (-2/+2 Spd) only occurred in 2015 which coincides with the new 32XX movement? But, you all already know this.

From the Rolex.com website...

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

It didn't "only occur" in 2015, it was "redefined" by Rolex in 2015. See line 2 in your pic. Superlative is just a word used by Rolex, not the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres.

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Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Yep. Sorry I left out the "redefined."

Nevertheless, this is what the new Rolex owners are expecting right? Otherwise, why bother with all the fancy words and "superlative certification (COSC + Rolex certification after casing)", straight out of the Rolex brochure?

Great input! This proves there’s a problem of overpromising and underengineering!!!!!

Old Expat Beast · 11 May 2023, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyinHawaiian

Yep. Sorry I left out the "redefined."

Nevertheless, this is what the new Rolex owners are expecting right? Otherwise, why bother with all the fancy words and "superlative certification (COSC + Rolex certification after casing)", straight out of the Rolex brochure?

Marketing. It's what Rolex does best. But yes, -2/+2 should be expected, as promised.

CaptT · 11 May 2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Marketing. It's what Rolex does best.

So true! And better than Tesla, who doesn't. Or does, depending who you ask.

To save Chewy the trouble, I'll just "Reported!!!" myself right now so we can all get back to constructive discussions around his 72 Rolexeses (which is an obvious proxy for intelligence if not wealth and status), some of which amazingly tick backwards.

And to think that there are folks here that question his stature as "the greatest Rolex thought leader ever"; we're shown day in and day out this is not up for debate. Carry on.

Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptT

So true! And better than Tesla, who doesn't. Or does, depending who you ask.

To save Chewy the trouble, I'll just "Reported!!!" myself right now so we can all get back to constructive discussions around his 72 Rolexeses (which is an obvious proxy for intelligence if not wealth and status), some of which amazingly tick backwards.

And to think that there are folks here that question his stature as "the greatest Rolex thought leader ever"; we're shown day in and day out this is not up for debate. Carry on.

As my good friend Boris would say,

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Batmaaaaaan!
Na na na na na na na na na na na na
Batmaaaaaan!
Na na na na na na na na na na na na
Batmaaaaaan!
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Batmaaaaaan!
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Batman! Batman! Batman!
Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na
Batman! Batman! Batman!
Da da da da da da da da da da da da da!
Batmaaaaaan!

REPORTED!!!

Andad · 11 May 2023, 12:58 PM

Up until now (on this thread) I thought Chewies account had been compromised.

I was mistaken.

Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Andad

Up until now (on this thread) I thought Chewies account had been compromised.

I was mistaken.

Enough with making fun of me!!!!!

saxo3 · 11 May 2023, 02:25 PM

With post 22 I stopped laughing in this thread. No excuse no LOL

Chewbacca · 11 May 2023, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by saxo3

With post 22 I stopped laughing in this thread. No excuse no LOL

I alone can shed factual light on this disaster!!

REPORTED!!

thxv009 · 11 May 2023, 03:22 PM

My BLNR is really accurate after 2 weeks of owning. But a friend of mine has a Rootbeer and mentioned it looses 15 min in 2 weeks. I asked him when I bought it and he said it was 2019 so it probably has the 32xx movement.

saxo3 · 11 May 2023, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

I alone can shed factual light on this disaster!!

REPORTED!!

Why reported?

You are not man enough to excuse for name-calling me propagandist?

You may not undetstand the historical meaning of propaganda, which for me is an inacceptable insult.

More RESPECT for other members!

minute_man · 11 May 2023, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

Great another 32xx movement bashing thread.

Just what we need.

Yeah

32xx sucks yet still all references with it in them command above retail, up to 2x even

Oh, also, how could I forget: Tudor sucks

brandrea · 11 May 2023, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by minute_man

Yeah

32xx sucks yet still all references with it in them command above retail, up to 2x even

Oh, also, how could I forget: Tudor sucks

It's clearly a cover up.

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Omarion07 · 11 May 2023, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by minute_man

Yeah

32xx sucks yet still all references with it in them command above retail, up to 2x even

Oh, also, how could I forget: Tudor sucks

Plenty of other brands out there, and life’s too short to be stressed over brands that “suck”.

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11 May 2023, 12:19 AM	#63
rcwatchcollector Banned Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: New York Posts: 384	Isn’t the cosc certification bare movement anyways? So when it is installed who know what can happen. Move a screw a little bit now we have lost 10 sec in a day. Ha ha. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 May 2023, 04:06 AM	#68
daveo5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Las Vegas NV Watch: 14060M COSC Posts: 1,336	I was finally persuaded to send my 14060M cosc to Rolex for service. I bought it new about 2010? Don’t remember exactly. Watch was running perfectly all those years. This was a few months ago, now it’s running flawlessly keeping within Rolex’s +2/-2 standard. Old movement yes, but I would not swap it for the latest. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

11 May 2023, 02:25 PM	#84
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thxv009 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 69	My BLNR is really accurate after 2 weeks of owning. But a friend of mine has a Rootbeer and mentioned it looses 15 min in 2 weeks. I asked him when I bought it and he said it was 2019 so it probably has the 32xx movement.

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