Spanish kiss story

[omar-rye]

To those defending the coach: Consider how you'd feel if someone, like your wife, sister, daughter, or mother's boss, were to kiss them on the lips. Similarly, imagine how your partner would react if your employer grabbed and kissed you on the lips, no matter the occasion. You might not think it’s serious, but where do you draw the line? One poster just told a story of his boss grabbing his wife’s ass… Is that different, more severe, more intimate than a kiss on the lips? I think they both cross the line just the same. This isn't about wokeness, cancel culture, or the #MeToo movement; it's about decency and morality

[Lol-x]

Let me just say I can't ever remember an administrator kissing a player on the lips (let alone grabbing her head with both hands to do so) in any sporting celebration.

Factor that into the probability equation.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

To those defending the coach: Consider how you'd feel if someone, like your wife, sister, daughter, or mother's boss, were to kiss them on the lips. Similarly, imagine how your partner would react if your employer grabbed and kissed you on the lips, no matter the occasion. You might not think it’s serious, but where do you draw the line? One poster just told a story of his boss grabbing his wife’s ass… Is that different, more severe, more intimate than a kiss on the lips? I think they both cross the line just the same. This isn't about wokeness, cancel culture, or the #MeToo movement; it's about decency and morality

With respect, I think you are missing the point of those defending.

If this happened to my girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, etc, I’d still not be mad at him.

I wonder why she was okay with it. I’d wonder why she didn’t pull back. If she has no problem, I have no problem. If specifically it were my significant other, I’d expect her to pull back. I’d expect her to not be happy. She didn’t pull back. She looked very happy.

I have zero issues with two consenting adults expressing celebration and joy. Which is what I saw in that video.

I hope what I’m saying is clear. I’m not giving a predator a pass. Ever. I’m not saying it’s okay for the man. I am simply saying I did not see any improprieties in that video.

Pinching someone’s butt is a very different example. Forcing a kiss is very different. I didn’t see that.

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

He also grabbed his crotch in celebration next to the Spanish Queen and her 16 year old daughter just before this episode so I don't think this guy has much of a filter. Exuberant celebration is one thing but this is just a spectacular demonstration of poor judgement and lack of decorum.

Agreed. This cannot be discounted as “cultural”. Can’t see how this behavior, independent of the over exuberant kissing on stage, is how the Spanish Federation would want their president to be represented globally.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by superdog

With respect, I think you are missing the point of those defending.

If this happened to my girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, etc, I’d still not be mad at him.

I wonder why she was okay with it. I’d wonder why she didn’t pull back. If she has no problem, I have no problem. If specifically it were my significant other, I’d expect her to pull back. I’d expect her to not be happy. She didn’t pull back. She looked very happy.

I have zero issues with two consenting adults expressing celebration and joy. Which is what I saw in that video.

I hope what I’m saying is clear. I’m not giving a predator a pass. Ever. I’m not saying it’s okay for the man. I am simply saying I did not see any improprieties in that video.

Pinching someone’s butt is a very different example. Forcing a kiss is very different. I didn’t see that.

Not everyone is confrontational by nature or is able to digest what had just happened and react. I'm sure that many, if not all of us, have been in situations where we initially reacted in one way, only to later blame ourselves for not handling things differently. And a momentous occasion like the World Cup, with cameras rolling and fans screaming, would definitely have made it more difficult to push your coach away in fear of retaliation or judgment, perhaps.

Why many rape victims don’t fight or yell

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...fight-or-yell/

“Bringing together the accounts of those who have been assaulted with the neurobiology of trauma can play an essential role in supporting healing and the pursuits of accountability and justice.

For example, freezing is a brain-based response to detecting danger, especially a predator’s attack. Think deer in the headlights.

As one woman told the Post, ‘I didn’t say no, but I didn’t really know what to do. I just kind of froze.’”

“For those who assume a functional prefrontal cortex – including many victims as they look back on what happened – passive habit responses can be baffling. They seem exactly the opposite of how they surely would – or should – have responded.

But when the fear circuitry takes over and the prefrontal cortex is impaired, habits and reflexes may be all we’ve got.”

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

Not everyone is confrontational by nature or is able to digest what had just happened and react. I'm sure that many, if not all of us, have been in situations where we initially reacted in one way, only to later blame ourselves for not handling things differently. And a momentous occasion like the World Cup, with cameras rolling and fans screaming, would definitely have made it more difficult to push your coach away in fear of retaliation or judgment, perhaps.

Why many rape victims don’t fight or yell

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...fight-or-yell/

“Bringing together the accounts of those who have been assaulted with the neurobiology of trauma can play an essential role in supporting healing and the pursuits of accountability and justice.

For example, freezing is a brain-based response to detecting danger, especially a predator’s attack. Think deer in the headlights.

As one woman told the Post, ‘I didn’t say no, but I didn’t really know what to do. I just kind of froze.’”

“For those who assume a functional prefrontal cortex – including many victims as they look back on what happened – passive habit responses can be baffling. They seem exactly the opposite of how they surely would – or should – have responded.

But when the fear circuitry takes over and the prefrontal cortex is impaired, habits and reflexes may be all we’ve got.”

Interesting stuff.
But it's not like the player froze or displayed any sense of shock. She went along with it.
Even if she was glad that bit of it was over and put it behind her as the whole thing was a mistake.
That's life and mature people deal with it effectively and try not to repeat their mistakes or let themselves get into situations that can escalate.
We've surely all done something and thought afterward that they wouldn't do that again given the choice.

They both played their part on some level and I reflect on the possibility of what would the discourse in the media be or among the special interest groups be if the roles were reversed or if it had unfolded just a little differently, like a quick kiss on the forehead and not a smooch on the lips? Did she feel motivated to reciprocate(even just a little bit)?
I took the opportunity to review commentary and reporting over it and there are organisations, special interest groups, and all kind of activists weighing in because they're social justice warriors with an agenda or those who are politically motivated or protecting their brand.
Their motives are not necessarily going to be originating from a position of emanating pure air and light.
The pile on over him adjusting himself a bit without being aware of the circumstances. Sure he lacks a degree of discretion but it really goes to a personal attack on the man as if he continually demonstrates a lack of moral fibre or there's something more sinister underlining his character

Certainly, there will be more to come out of it.

[Dirt]

Update folks.
Just watching the news and he's as good as gone.
As I said before, he wasn't going to win this one.

I was watching replays on news outlets and some weren't slowed down a little.
One thing I realised is i was wrong about the smooch. The reality is it was a quick kiss as they were all getting carried away in the moment. The controversial kiss wasn't the only one, as he had done the same thing to another team member so it was seemingly SOP for him at the time.
There is no such thing as right or wrong, only public opinion will hold sway.
It would be interesting to see how well it played out in court though
After he resigns everybody else will breath a sigh of relief and move on to put it behind them.

[Gr8]

Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales announced on 'Piers Morgan Uncensored' that he has handed in his resignation.

[77T]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/10/f...spt/index.html


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[colpol]

Originally Posted by Gr8

Spanish FA president Luis Rubiales announced on 'Piers Morgan Uncensored' that he has handed in his resignation.

Totally over shadowed the win for the team
Really poor show
I reckon he just held on until they offered him the right package to go as he’s finished in football now/ no one will touch him

[Speedbird-1]

Without belittling any of the previous comments and the apparent, wider implications in Spanish society.

I hope we all agree, it is quite sad that, when there is a need for more love in the world, a man loses his job, because of a very quick celebratory kiss.

[Rolex2008]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Without belittling any of the previous comments and the apparent, wider implications in Spanish society.

I hope we all agree, it is quite sad that, when there is a need for more love in the world, a man loses his job, because of a very quick celebratory kiss.

It is sad, but so was his defiance in the aftermath. He would’ve got a lot more sympathy if he came out straight away and condemned his own actions, rather than doubling down on what everyone witnessed.

People in positions of public office or power, simply cannot be seen to be behaving this way, especially when the world is watching.

[Moondoggy]

Originally Posted by speedbird-1

without belittling any of the previous comments and the apparent, wider implications in spanish society.

I hope we all agree, it is quite sad that, when there is a need for more love in the world, a man loses his job, because of a very quick celebratory kiss.

+1

[Andad]

+2

[Calatrava r]

The whole episode is a unfortunate.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by speedbird-1

without belittling any of the previous comments and the apparent, wider implications in spanish society.

I hope we all agree, it is quite sad that, when there is a need for more love in the world, a man loses his job, because of a very quick celebratory kiss.

+3

[brandrea]

Well look at the bright side folks, he can always get a gig performing.

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[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by rolex2008

it is sad, but so was his defiance in the aftermath. He would’ve got a lot more sympathy if he came out straight away and condemned his own actions, rather than doubling down on what everyone witnessed.

People in positions of public office or power, simply cannot be seen to be behaving this way, especially when the world is watching.

+4

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Rolex2008

It is sad, but so was his defiance in the aftermath. He would’ve got a lot more sympathy if he came out straight away and condemned his own actions, rather than doubling down on what everyone witnessed.

People in positions of public office or power, simply cannot be seen to be behaving this way, especially when the world is watching.

Agreed
But you know, in recent times I have seen similar celebratory kisses immediately after a goal was scored on the field among team members.
They do get very excited in and around this game.
That's one of the reasons why I originally gave the episode a pass due to a culture within the game. As queer as it may be to some observers that follow other sports.

As awkward as the episode was and shouldn't have happened.
There is a whole history behind this and the man might be a unit and predisposed to getting ahead of himself. But I'm not necessarily convinced that the player hadn't shrugged it off at the time and was wary of situations like this going forward.
It's not like she was seeking out counselling afterward