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14 August 2024, 12:49 PM | #61 | |
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Reading between the lines of this post will give you a great guide on how to get pieces allocated to you. |
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14 August 2024, 01:49 PM | #62 | |
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14 August 2024, 02:24 PM | #63 |
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Lost the Love
Just a different sales guy you try to trick into selling you watches once you accept you’re never getting them from the boutiques. But seriously it saved me from almost wanting to leave the brand. Then i got five watches that I wanted in the first year. (Turned down many I didn’t want as well) Been a fantastic relationship- very grateful. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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14 August 2024, 04:50 PM | #65 | |
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The styling is say your old but without saying your old! |
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14 August 2024, 05:44 PM | #66 | |
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14 August 2024, 06:25 PM | #67 | |
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G is Gareth and 44 is the number of AP allocations he gets a year. Oh and the W? Obviously its WHALE Joking aside Vince, things do go wrong in life. Get in touch with him and lets see if this can be put right. |
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14 August 2024, 06:56 PM | #68 | |
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This made me laugh out loud. I love the way this thread has developed (supporting family vibe) and Vince it was mostly photos of your AP’s that specifically got me interested in the brand so thank you. I’m pleased that you’re still keeping the lovely watches that you have and congrats on your upcoming birthday. Niki Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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15 August 2024, 12:17 AM | #69 |
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15 August 2024, 12:41 AM | #70 |
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On the website it says 40mm or 42mm. Not sure but your pics may show the old version which had a smaller date window.
https://www.fpjourne.com/en/collecti...tomatique-lune https://www.fpjourne.com/en/collecti...ue-lune-havana |
15 August 2024, 01:05 AM | #71 | |
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The team there are just normal locals going to work each day and trying their best like so many other people. When you, or anyone reading this, stops in...try to think about if they have had many friendly people to talk to that day, or if they have had the same conversation with 50 different people wanting watches (based on how crowded town is). Somedays can be boring and you could make their day by talking about something other then just watches that you want them to allocate to you. |
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15 August 2024, 01:14 AM | #72 | |
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Ya they are. I was there this weekend and they couldn’t have been nicer. Pulled some really cool stuff out of the back and they were really fun to chat with. Best ap boutique experience I’ve had. It’s also nice when you’re not trying to buy anything and they still treat you like a valuable customer. Highly recommend the Aspen store Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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15 August 2024, 02:42 AM | #73 |
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OP explains that his loss of love for AP is due to two reasons. First, the not very good behavior of the AP Boutique Sales guy and, second, the lack of quality of AP movements. This second aspect has been ignored in this thread focussing on AP policies and so. However, I understand this second ignored aspect perfectly because my 15300 also had a screw coming out (when new) and the crown coming out (some time later) among other issues. So that also produces loss of love.
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15 August 2024, 04:11 AM | #76 | |
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They are also far more up front and clear. It seems like a transparent and fair process VS AP. |
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15 August 2024, 04:42 AM | #77 | |
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The W is clearly for Wan*** And the 44 is my IQ, on a good day, obvs 🙄 As you were team |
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15 August 2024, 11:19 AM | #78 | |
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Surprisingly the 15450 and 15400 models didn't have this problem despite the same movement. |
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15 August 2024, 01:32 PM | #79 |
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17 August 2024, 01:05 AM | #80 | |
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I'd also like to address your "journey" comment because this is 100% the case. The simple math is that to get access to, say, purchase a Jumbo, you'll have had to have purchased a number of pieces already. For me personally, it has worked out because there were a number of AP's I was genuinely interested in acquiring, and my "journey" has not included buying pieces I dont really want. I love my 1st gen. rose gold Code (purple dial), my 2 ROOs (original Ti "Ghost" and the new black/blue ceramic), and my 50th anniversary RO. And it included my wife buying a 34mm RO and the staff knowing her as well as me. Patek dealers absolutely want to get people on the "journey" as well. One cannot acquire certain complications before progressing a certain way on the "journey." Lucky for me I'm not interested in owning those anyway! People who really want ANY AP can buy it within hours or days on the gray market. So that's the solution. But getting all emotional over the fact that "AP won't sell me what I want when I want it," knowing full well what the backlog is, seems like intentional self-sabotage. It's just totally unrealistic to think that the definition of "luxury" is to have a brand let you (not you but the OP) jump the line and in doing so treat you differently than 99.8% of their other customers who also are interested in the very same thing. |
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17 August 2024, 01:43 AM | #81 | |
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Yes; the formula for how to get pieces is readily derivable from my post. |
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17 August 2024, 03:01 AM | #82 |
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Agree with all your points except for the last one, I don't think it's unrealistic to have a different definition of luxury. Luxury doesn't HAVE to be this way, not all brands play this game and in the future I'm sure the luxury game will change and be different from today. I hope OP and other people complaining about AP spend their money with and support brands that treat them well and give them the luxury experience they want. Brands are simple, they will treat you however best maximizes revenue and if treating you like dirt means you want it more, that's what they will do. AP couldn't send people on these journeys if there wasn't a line of people with their wallets ready to buy tickets.
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17 August 2024, 09:13 PM | #83 | |
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First, I certainly don't approve of anyone being treated like dirt, meaning, being spoken to sarcastically, harshly, etc. I hold no excuses for treating customers rudely, although unlike some, I take the position that the customer also has an obligation. Ive seen it first-hand, in watch boutiques, in my city. Customers walk in seemingly looking to pick a fight . . . or their wholly entitled selves cannot help themselves. If someone believes that they are entitled to treat the staff however they wish, because "The customer is king / always right," well, sorry but no that's not how we work in polite society. Second, there are only two ways to avoid "this game." (A) produce enough goods to essentially totally meet the instantaneous demand. Or (B) simply sell on a first-come-first-served basis. MANY luxury brands can do (A) (either because they can or they will). I have ZERO issues buying a lovely Loro Piana polo shirt. They cost $650-$990 and by every measure are over-the-top luxury items. There is no scarcity and if the shop doesn't have my exact size and color, they get it in within days. But of course due to the manufacturing process, well it takes a lot longer and a lot more people to make a watch than a polo shirt. With the supply vs. demand numbers as it has been with certain luxury watches for the past 8-10 years, I don't know how (B) could work. Have people line up on the sidewalk prior to opening to see what's come in? Use a lottery system that people register for? All of this ignores the fact that part of luxury marketing includes rewarding loyal customers with future access. I don't find that inherently evil. |
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18 August 2024, 12:09 AM | #84 |
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One of the watch on his list of interest was available for sale immediately upon walk in. But it was never offered to him prior to that . There should at least the very minimum a mass generic email or text to inform people on the list . I guess this goes to show APs attitude towards collectors. They are too good to try and "sell" their watches. People come beg for them. You wonder why a lot of the veteran collectors are leaving and selling off all their APs. All the threads here have legitimate reasons. AP is just riding the hype train till they can't anymore and gonna stay down for decades to come due to their own decisions.
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18 August 2024, 04:14 AM | #85 | |
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Honestly a lot of people are projecting some negative experiences into a thread that is nonsensical... Bartolo summed it up best. OP literally walked in AND WAS OFFERED the watch that he had on his wish list. Pardon the SA for not just cold calling all folks on a list like they're selling CutCo knives... He COULD HAVE HAD AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE where the SA on a random walking literally offered him the watch he wanted. Rather than taking it and having a great day and mentioning that he'd love to stay in touch and hopefully a jumbo will be part of the ongoing relationship, OP now decided holding a grudge is the way to get what he wants... Good luck with that... |
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18 August 2024, 04:18 PM | #86 | |
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Who are we kidding here? We all know at this point it takes way more than hope and luck to get an allocation for jumbo. Unless you own kith, AP will sell u each openwork in all metals/ceramic without the "journey". I wonder How it's gonna be an amazing experience knowing what supposed to be a memorable experience become just a transaction a random SA filled his sales target for ? I'm 100% with OP here IMO he made the right call to decline it. We are not checking an item off grocery shopping list here, talking about a luxury watch purchase. I see we are very divided how we look at walking in a piece on our list. In OP's situation he doesn't know the SA at least not very well I assume, so this was not a surprise like " oh hey btw surprise. your watch is here!" It's more like "oh you know what. While I just checking your profile 5 mins after your showed up for your appointment. I noticed one of the watch you have on your list is in stock. management allow me sell it. We are not gonna bother calling anyone because we are AP. Here, you can have it for $45k . And oh btw the moment you walk out the door it's worth $35k but who cares. Next guys is gonna fight you for it".
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It’s like a come to your house masseuse. They to provide services when you are in an inconvenient location with no boutique/parlor nearby.
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The crown came out of my 15400. One of several issues with it. Many fedex journeys to Clearwater.
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