Don't think this gentlemen knows what he has here - DRSD

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by haitek

Nah! I was really looking for a Gibson Super 400 CES but thanks anyway.....a

Here is one for $12,200.

[DadsWatch72]

Here is a Custom L-5 CES.

This one is about 10 miles from me. Most of the brass jazz instruments are made in my area at Conn-Selmer (Elkhart Indiana).http://www.wwbw.com/Gibson-Custom-L-...-i1149441.wwbw

[haitek]

Very nice!!! But hey! I'll need money for strings and setup etc.,

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

Here is a Custom L-5 CES.

This one is about 10 miles from me. Most of the brass jazz instruments are made in my area at Conn-Selmer (Elkhart Indiana).http://www.wwbw.com/Gibson-Custom-L-...-i1149441.wwbw

[CaveDiver]

sweet.. I was at a pawn years ago and there was a guy pawning one and they were going to give him US500.. I told him I will give you 1200 .. He said no and that he was going to come back and get it in a week. I bet he did not go back

[watchfinder]

you didn't buy it new. I knew it.

[CaveDiver]

^^
They did some of the same to me. It is almost like they have a hidden agenda,,

In the end they said to old.. If that was the case, they should of known that long before what they did

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

^^
They did some of the same to me. It is almost like they have a hidden agenda,,

In the end they said to old.. If that was the case, they should of known that long before what they did

My point exactly. Why did they service me and not you. I told them....."Hey, I'm not a collector and I didn't have a problem with getting service in 95'." I also told them, "I completely trust Rolex with the watch and wouldn't hold them responsible for the dial during service and pressure testing." I also told them that the watch hadn't been opened since it had been serviced in Dallas by anyone. I think she was a bit shocked and didn't completely believe me when I told her that the bracelet was original.

[CaveDiver]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

My point exactly. Why did they service me and not you. I told them....."Hey, I'm not a collector and I didn't have a problem with getting service in 95'." I also told them, "I completely trust Rolex with the watch and wouldn't hold them responsible for the dial during service and pressure testing."

they think everyone is up to something??
Well I did not tell don't worry about the dial... Maybe they were testing me to how I would react when I saw the pinched gasket

They told me they had concerns about being able to warnt the watch because dust from the dial could make its way into the movement. Far enough, but sell me a bracelet

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

they think everyone is up to something??
Well I did not tell don't worry about the dial... Maybe they were testing me to how I would react when I saw the pinched gasket

They told me they had concerns about being able to warnt the watch because dust from the dial could make its way into the movement. Far enough, but sell me a bracelet

They didn't even sell you a bracelet???? Thats bad.

[CaveDiver]

Have you read part one of my thead here? http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=109294

Nope.. Over two hours with their agenda and no they would not sell me one.

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

Have you read part one of my thead here? http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=109294

Nope.. Over two hours with their agenda and no they would not sell me one.

I don't know what their decision was based on. Didn't they tell you? OHHH, they said it was a replica. Quote: "No such luck and one lady stated it was a replica." They would know. They are one of two places that could tell. As they say, the buck stops there. sorry man. If you want to go over their heads and are sure about the watch, I would contact NYCRSC and talk to a supervisor.

[CaveDiver]

At the end, it was watch to old and concerns about the movement. Said to check with AWCI. Much more to come in part 2.. I assume you read.. Yea, sure... two hours to tell me that. No need to do what they did if that was the case. Hidden agenda.. Part 2 to fill in some gaps.

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

At the end, it was watch to old and concerns about the movement. Said to check with AWCI. Much more to come in part 2.. I assume you read.. Yea, sure... two hours to tell me that. No need to do what they did if that was the case. Hidden agenda.. Part 2 to fill in some gaps.

Your watch also has a patina. I think Rolex wants the watch to look new when done and yours wouldn't look new with that patina. That still doesn't explain about the bracelet.

[CaveDiver]

^^
That should have been a two min no and go from there..

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by CaveDiver

^^
That should have been a two min no and go from there..

If it were my watch and they told me it was a replica, I would have pitched a tent and camped there until I talked with the manager. Then I would have contacted NYC. If I didn't make any progress with them, I would have sent the watch to Geneva. Seriously, I would have.

[CaveDiver]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

If it were my watch and they told me it was a replica, I would have pitched a tent and camped there until I talked with the manager. Then I would have contacted NYC. If I didn't make any progress with them, I would have sent the watch to Geneva. Seriously, I would have.

Ten years ago, I would be like you. However, I do not think any of that would get me a bracelet. I know the history of the watch and a few experts I have talked to indicated there is no evidence of such. BTW, Rolex does not use terms like replica. They say, not Rolex part. And I feel sorry for a person who purchases a good watch and gets false treatment from Rolex. Just like here on the boards, if someone is going to make a claim, they should state why and point out the issue. Rolex in my case will not tell. However, if I find any photos of my watch in a Rolex book or manual, I will be screaming from the roof tops… Now back on topic, this example of why Rolex is probably not the best place to go to confirm what a Rolex is. From my observation from my over two hour stressful visit is Rolex make watches. They service their watches; however anything watch that parts are no longer in production they are not experts. My feeling is they probably have very few if any watchmakers familiar with the details of 40-50 year old Rolex at their service center.

[CaveDiver]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

If it were my watch and they told me it was a replica, I would have pitched a tent and camped there until I talked with the manager. Then I would have contacted NYC. If I didn't make any progress with them, I would have sent the watch to Geneva. Seriously, I would have.

Now I'm at your stage.. I'm pissed... I went to put on a nato and guess what... They put a spring bar on that was not the one that was on the watch when I came in. It is a two stage on one side and thinner... Waiting for a call from the manager. They better make this right... Can you say

[bayerische]

OK, just received the pics from "haitek".

Here they are: ("haitek" please let me know if at some point you want the pictures removed and I will do so, the pictures are yours.)

[haitek]

Thanks for that bayerische!!! I don't know how you did that but I'm impressed

Originally Posted by bayerische

OK, just received the pics from "haitek".

Here they are: ("haitek" please let me know if at some point you want the pictures removed and I will do so, the pictures are yours.)

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by haitek

Thanks for that bayerische!!! I don't know how you did that but I'm impressed

No problem mate, glad to be of assistance. Hopefully these pics will be of help.

[DadsWatch72]

It looks like a Mark III dial from what I can see. The crystal is sooo scratched its hard to see it in full detail but the picture is awsome compared to before. I am still trying to reference the serial numbers and make sense of it. To your knowledge, the dial is original?


Here is another list for serial numbers from the Double Red Sea Dweller website:

Check the dial version with the serial. The usual and these are only guidelines since Rolex collecting has no hard rules.
Mark I Dial, 1.6-2.2 mil
Mark II Dial, 1.6-3.5 mil
Mark III Dial, 2.6-3.5 to 4.0 mil
Mark IV Dial, 3.0-5.2 mil

Its generally accepted by collectors that the DRSD were produced in the 1967-1977 range with the last batch in the 5.2 mil serials. While there might be some exception to the above, this is what is currently accepted by collectors..

[haitek]

Thanks again DadsWatch72!

Yes the dial is original. Hey! I'm trying to make sense of it too. The pictures are much better, many thanks to the kind gentleman in Finland for his help.....a

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

It looks like a Mark III dial from what I can see. The crystal is sooo scratched its hard to see it in full detail but the picture is awsome compared to before. I am still trying to reference the serial numbers and make sense of it. To your knowledge, the dial is original?


Here is another list for serial numbers from the Double Red Sea Dweller website:

Check the dial version with the serial. The usual and these are only guidelines since Rolex collecting has no hard rules.
Mark I Dial, 1.6-2.2 mil
Mark II Dial, 1.6-3.5 mil
Mark III Dial, 2.6-3.5 to 4.0 mil
Mark IV Dial, 3.0-5.2 mil

Its generally accepted by collectors that the DRSD were produced in the 1967-1977 range with the last batch in the 5.2 mil serials. While there might be some exception to the above, this is what is currently accepted by collectors..

[haitek]

Hey DadsWatch72!

Thanks for your time and information. The picture you posted of the centre of the dial is identical to the dial I have here with the D in DWELLER above and slightly to the right of the R in SUBMARINER.
I had a gentleman visit me yesterday with books galore (and a nice early 60's submariner and a few others). We could find no reference to the actual watch in his book of prices but he had a book of Rolex Sports Watches and 'lo and behold' there was a picture of it on the front slip cover. He seemed to think it was genuine but didn't want to make me an offer just yet. I'm starting to visualise that Gibson Super 400 CES....Yay!

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by haitek

Hey DadsWatch72!

Thanks for your time and information. The picture you posted of the centre of the dial is identical to the dial I have here with the D in DWELLER above and slightly to the right of the R in SUBMARINER.
I had a gentleman visit me yesterday with books galore (and a nice early 60's submariner and a few others). We could find no reference to the actual watch in his book of prices but he had a book of Rolex Sports Watches and 'lo and behold' there was a picture of it on the front slip cover. He seemed to think it was genuine but didn't want to make me an offer just yet. I'm starting to visualise that Gibson Super 400 CES....Yay!

There are some things that don't make sense to some experts on these watches. In paticular, the serial number doesn't go with that dial. They would have to re-write the book on serial number associations if this is genuine. You said that you bought it new in the early seventys and the dial hasn't been changed so........its perplexing. It would be good to have the crystal removed and allow the dial to be viewed without all of the distortion. You could always take it to an Authorized Dealer and ask them to verify it. They might even service it since the dial appears to be in good condition (its hard to tell though). The hands would probably be replaced by Rolex. If you didn't want them to replace the hands, they might not service you. This is only speculation on my part. I have no idea what Rolex would say, but those are my thoughts.

[haitek]

Since finding out more about the watch, I too am perplexed. When the watch was serviced by Rolex in Sydney in the 80's, they only charged me for a service, no mention of changing the hands, dial or any other part of the watch was mentioned. No charge was made for any changes to the hardware, I just trusted them to take care of it, they did, so I was happy at the time. I was unaware of their 'modus operandi' then, as now. I'm considering re-listing the watch on ebay with a $20K reserve just to see what happens. I've numerous offers for the watch and would be happy to get that (or more). Any serious offers will be carefully considered.............a

[DadsWatch72]

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

It looks like a Mark III dial from what I can see. The crystal is sooo scratched its hard to see it in full detail but the picture is awsome compared to before. I am still trying to reference the serial numbers and make sense of it. To your knowledge, the dial is original?


Here is another list for serial numbers from the Double Red Sea Dweller website:

Check the dial version with the serial. The usual and these are only guidelines since Rolex collecting has no hard rules.
Mark I Dial, 1.6-2.2 mil
Mark II Dial, 1.6-3.5 mil
Mark III Dial, 2.6-3.5 to 4.0 mil
Mark IV Dial, 3.0-5.2 mil

Its generally accepted by collectors that the DRSD were produced in the 1967-1977 range with the last batch in the 5.2 mil serials. While there might be some exception to the above, this is what is currently accepted by collectors..

I have posted it on another forum that deals with vintage to get some more info on the watch and see if its possible that the dial was sold with a case in the 1.7 million range. The crystal is so scratched that it distorts the dial somewhat but it looks like its a Mark III to me, and it looks genuine in my limited experience.

[mlehman]

Abi,

do you have any CD`s of your bluesy stuff?
If I bough that watch I would let it just as it is..cool history behind it
Mike

[haitek]

Hey mlehman!

Thanks for your comments. Yes that's one reason I didn't have the watch 'restored', it has a interesting history with me. I need to sell the watch and then I'll have the cash to promote my music.
I don't have a CD as yet. I've been in the studio for the last five years, experimenting and putting stuff together. I've probably got enough blues recorded to make a CD (and a heap of other stuff) If you send me your email address I'll keep you posted. My email address is [email protected]
Regards................a

Originally Posted by mlehman

Abi,

do you have any CD`s of your bluesy stuff?
If I bough that watch I would let it just as it is..cool history behind it
Mike

[mlehman]

Thanks..email is [email protected]

I`ve been listening to David Gilmore and Roger waters stuff lately.

[CaveDiver]

Haitek,
Was the 80's the last time you had the watch serviced? Does it still run and keep time?
thanks