Rolex Platinum Daytona vs Patek Philippe 5170G

[DreambreaX]

Originally Posted by shnxx

#platinumwow

yes platinum = wow

platinum is more beautiful than whitegold.

platinum bracelet + case = super wow.

lol

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by DreambreaX

the platinum are all with bracelet, the patek are whitegold but only the case.

the quantity are much BIGGER and the QUALITY is higher.


The Patek above = Old Toyota with Ferrari movement.

Patek finishing and quality is higher than Rolex.

[shnxx]

Originally Posted by DreambreaX

yes platinum = wow

platinum is more beautiful than whitegold.

platinum bracelet + case = super wow.

lol

platinum is definitely more beautiful than white gold.
it's a totally different feeling when you look at its beautiful shiny silver color vs. the white gold which is just meh shiny silver color.

[Stellite]

Originally Posted by shnxx

I think automotive analogies are never that appropriate but this is like a corvette fan poll on whether they prefer the corvette c7 or the Ferrari f430.

LOL, this is the most ridiculous analogy I have ever seen and I am a car guy.

First of Patek is not a 430, that is laughable. The Patek line can be likened more to the likes of Rolls Royce or Bentley. They are refined classics of a mature taste. A top end RR or Bent is in the order of $400k+, a 430 new was under $200k and now sell for about $100k used.

But the even funnier analogy is the corvette analogy. I liked corvette to something more along the lines of $500-$1000 brands. I would consider Rolex more along the lines of Ferrari's bread and butter cars( and Porsche as well), because they are sporty and priced in the $200k range. Here is where the analogy makes sense. Ferrari's can increase in value and many go for many times what they did new. Gee what watch brand does that? Rolex.

[Stellite]

Originally Posted by DreambreaX

the nautilus is not worth it, better go for AP , Jaeger Le Coultre, Breguet or VC

I know, but it is such a distinctive design and the chrono version sure speaks out on a wrist with the blue dial

[shnxx]

Now if the question was SS Daytona vs Patek 5170 that's more of a fair question.

I would probably rather pay for the Rolex in that case.

5170 is a bit understated for me too and I would prefer the lange datograph around that price.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Stellite

LOL, this is the most ridiculous analogy I have ever seen and I am a car guy.

First of Patek is not a 430, that is laughable. The Patek line can be likened more to the likes of Rolls Royce or Bentley. They are refined classics of a mature taste. A top end RR or Bent is in the order of $400k+, a 430 new was under $200k and now sell for about $100k used.

But the even funnier analogy is the corvette analogy. I liked corvette to something more along the lines of $500-$1000 brands. I would consider Rolex more along the lines of Ferrari's bread and butter cars( and Porsche as well), because they are sporty and priced in the $200k range. Here is where the analogy makes sense. Ferrari's can increase in value and many go for many times what they did new. Gee what watch brand does that? Rolex.

Patek holds or increases value better than any other brand as has been demonstrated many times at auction. A quick look at LNIB pricing for almost any Patek and the lack of discounts on BNIB is also an indicator. Then lastly there is the annual production of both companies.

I can see easily why people would pick the Daytona, but personally I'd go with the 5170G. They're both very nice pieces.

[Stellite]

Originally Posted by codecow

Patek holds or increases value better than any other brand as has been demonstrated many times at auction. A quick look at LNIB pricing for almost any Patek and the lack of discounts on BNIB is also an indicator. Then lastly there is the annual production of both companies.

I can see easily why people would pick the Daytona, but personally I'd go with the 5170G. They're both very nice pieces.

I do believe that Patek does hold value and increases in value for many pieces much like Rolex. I too watch PP auctions and I have seen the greatest increases in value on some older Rolexes, so I think both brands bring that to the table. Neither holds an advantage there, but to me as for the car comparison, PP's are not sporty so Ferrari is not a good analogy. I think Patek for the true watch collector is the way to go. But the Rolex for a true wrist piece would be the choice.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by codecow

Patek holds or increases value better than any other brand as has been demonstrated many times at auction. A quick look at LNIB pricing for almost any Patek and the lack of discounts on BNIB is also an indicator. Then lastly there is the annual production of both companies.

I can see easily why people would pick the Daytona, but personally I'd go with the 5170G. They're both very nice pieces.

Not quite true. Look at the the 5170J. The watch can be had new in low $50's well below retail. I don't care what people list them for I know what I have been offered them for! Patek raised prices too much and there were far too many of their current releases on market and prices became extremely soft. That is a fact and anyone who knows the market will agree. I am not speaking of limited release watches either nor low production retired pieces of course. Again what people ask and what they sell for quite different! As for vintage Rolex look at Christies recent auction and say no more. Of course vintage prices of both are irrelevant as we are speaking of modern pieces.

[subrolex]

Daytona

[darklord]

I personally love Pateks, but the new color combo on the Rolex is spectacular. I had the pleasure of trying one on 2 weeks ago and it was instantaneous love!

Both watches are gorgeous; but the new plat Rolex takes it!

[SkyKing31]

Rolex

[codecow]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Not quite true. Look at the the 5170J. The watch can be had new in low $50's well below retail. I don't care what people list them for I know what I have been offered them for! Patek raised prices too much and there were far too many of their current releases on market and prices became extremely soft. That is a fact and anyone who knows the market will agree. I am not speaking of limited release watches either nor low production retired pieces of course. Again what people ask and what they sell for quite different! As for vintage Rolex look at Christies recent auction and say no more. Of course vintage prices of both are irrelevant as we are speaking of modern pieces.

Good point. The 5170J's dial makes it a completely different watch and one that I wouldn't compare just because it lacks the Breguet numerals.

Low 50's is a fair price for it if you consider the Lange 1815 manual wind chrono goes for somewhere around there, which is why I said the price of the 5170G is a bit over the top.

Yeah vintage pieces of both are doing well, but modern Pateks are produced in much smaller numbers than modern Rolex and I think in the future they'll be more likely to fetch big numbers under the hammer.

[nauticajoe]

Daytona for me.

[worldarchitect]

Neither.............i would be content wearing my SS Daytona in the company of both watches.........

[luv2fly]

5170G for me

[DreambreaX]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Patek finishing and quality is higher than Rolex.

For the case material quality, I disagree, for movement yes I agree.

Rolex use Platinum and Patek use whitegold. Rolex have more quality.

and also the quantity material used is much higher on rolex. ROlex use platinum bracelet.

I recommend for the OP to get PLATINUM ROLEX instead of the over hype patek.

[DreambreaX]

Originally Posted by subrolex

Daytona

of course

[DreambreaX]

Originally Posted by codecow

Patek holds or increases value better than any other brand as has been demonstrated many times at auction.

Not really, unless it is limited edition pieces.

[venom43]

Daytona....cause isn't it limited? If not then patek.

[Lol-x]

I saw the Platinum Daytona today and even tried it on my wrist.
I was very surprised to see it for sale in the local AD (AUD$79,000).

No doubt the Platinum Daytona is a stunning watch, but I feel for me, if money was no object it would be the Daytona over the Patek, just because it is more visually appealing and practical over a Patek.

The Patek is a brilliant piece of haute horology, but for me the Platinum Daytona is stunning and practical which I like.

[Eugene-Taiwan]

Originally Posted by venom43

Daytona....cause isn't it limited? If not then patek.

just wondering if Rolex ever offer limited editions?

[tom2517]

Daytona for me. PP on a higher level in terms of movement and finish but not a fan of 5170.

[Chasseur]

Why don't you compare the platinum Rolex with the platinum Nautilus ?

[alanc]

Originally Posted by kmleffler

I don't think that you can compare the two watches. The PP is timeless.

My thoughts exactly. It's like comparing a Ducati motorcycle to a Bentley automobile.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by alanc

My thoughts exactly. It's like comparing a Ducati motorcycle to a Bentley automobile.

And here I thought both were watches and chronos at that. A Ducati is a motorcycle and a Bentley is a car last time I checked.

Sure you can compare them and pick the one you like. Taste is subjective and the comparison seems pretty close looking at the numbers.

[dardeca]

Originally Posted by kilyung

I'd honestly get the Daytona. Now make it a 5070P and it's a different matter (even despite the size and lemania movement).

Agree, but I'd vote the 5070G...but that's just my opinion.

[kh1970]

Not that I have the money for either but if I did I would go with the 5170

[alanc]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

And here I thought both were watches and chronos at that. A Ducati is a motorcycle and a Bentley is a car last time I checked.

Sure you can compare them and pick the one you like. Taste is subjective and the comparison seems pretty close looking at the numbers.

Yeah, I know. I was trying to make the point that the Ducati and Bentley are both transportation but get you there in completely different ways. The Ducati is ultimate sport and the Bentley is ultimate luxury.

The watches are both chronos but are so different and have such different vibes, that to talk about them as an either or, just struck me as a little far fetched.

[boogiebot]

5170 for me just seems timeless classic