GMT II Pepsi - M Serial (2007-2008) difficult to find?

[Casey VP-26]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

So 3186 started with the Z8xxxx serial? Is that confirmed?

Not sure exactly where it started, I do have one Z86XXXX. Good Luck.

[wulfman]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

So 3186 started with the Z8xxxx serial? Is that confirmed?

Likely confirmed:

http://www.minus4plus6.com/paracromblu16710.htm

[train-time]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

Think I may have found a Z serial, apparently with 3186.

Is this Z serial just as desirable as the M?

Hopefully it's not the one recently listed on eBay that was a Z2XXXXX showing the case back removed with a 3186 movement. It most likely is not an original 3186 as they didn't start until later in the series around Z8XXXXX.

[AL7273]

well, as these watches aren't anything meaningful, I am sure Dmitri will let us all know where to find it....

[Zoran]

Originally Posted by train-time

Hopefully it's not the one recently listed on eBay that was a Z2XXXXX showing the case back removed with a 3186 movement. It most likely is not an original 3186 as they didn't start until later in the series around Z8XXXXX.

Considering the premium sellers ask for the 16710 with 3186, one should be very careful with swapped movements. It is not so difficult to swap the 3186 from a 2009 Explorer II with the 3185 from a 16710. And these things are bound to happen considering the prices nowadays. you can get an Explorer II with 3186 for less than 4000€, so some might consider this a goal worth pursuing.

If you bring your modded 16710 to RSC for service, they will have an unpleasant surprise for you, not to mention the wad of cash you lost in the process

[padi56]

Originally Posted by train-time

Hopefully it's not the one recently listed on eBay that was a Z2XXXXX showing the case back removed with a 3186 movement. It most likely is not an original 3186 as they didn't start until later in the series around Z8XXXXX.

Know-one and I mean know-one knows only Rolex knows when the 3186 was put in whatever case serial.

[DVR]

Correct !
And for that reason a late Z-3186 might be less desirable than an M-3186.
But that is too early to tell.

[Ravager135]

Originally Posted by wulfman

Lets go: A temporary phenomenon?! Since 8 years since it was dicontinued?? You can't be serious... In 20 years its still a temporary phenomenon for you? After how many decades do you accept, that your opinion is an outsider opinion? YOU'RE not willing to pay a premium. But the market does. Thats a fact. For you stickered ones are not worth a premium. But again: But for the market it is. Why do you still deny this?

So many out there? Not rare? Pls show us here in this thread offers from NOS 16710/3186 M or even Z-Series to make it a bit easier for you. I'd like to buy without a premium. Le'ts say I'll spend a litte premium: 6.000 Euro or Dollar. Now I'm excited to wait what offers you'll present us...

You haven't read a single post I've made. Or maybe you have but not comprehended. I never said they don't command a premium. I said they aren't the same as a Comex or Mil Sub in rarity. That is a claim you made. Please go back and reread my posts on this thread. You have altered your source of contention and not addressed my points.

My only comments regarding the premium is that ANY watch no longer produced but in NOS condition is going to be worth more and that the GMT Master II with the 3186 is worth more because it is the last example of an icon with a newer movement, not because it is super rare, a limited edition, an error, or functionally superior to its immediate predecessor.

No one is debating what people can charge or some people will pay. If you are happy paying three times the sticker cost for a mass produced model of a watch more power to you. If you can sell it for that price, more power to you. Just don't confuse yourself by telling yourself you are sitting on the next Mil Sub (a comparison you made). I'd recommend some more time reading the vintage Rolex forums and learning why some of those models quote huge numbers. I am glad you love your GMT Master II with the 3186. It's a great watch. If I really thought it was going to be worth hundreds of thousands some day I'd sell my collection now. It wouldn't be hard to find one. Not sure I can say the same for the models you compared it to. That's all.

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

Think I may have found a Z serial, apparently with 3186.

Is this Z serial just as desirable as the M?

The generally accepted range of the 16710-3186 for the Z serials starts from Z8xxx whereas the M serial 16710-3186 ends at M3xxx.

So how much is the set you found?

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by DVR

It's not the M serial per se that defines the desirability, nor the dial font.
It is the combination of the old case with the new movement.
So if that late Z serial has it than it is as desirable imo.
However, we know now all M serials came with 3186, most Z's don't so that makes it less 'sure' a Z came with it and therefore it could be some people would still prefer the M serial compared to late Z. .
Time will tell...

Agree with DVR on this point: "we know now all M serials came with 3186, most Z's don't so that makes it less 'sure' a Z came with it and therefore it could be some people would still prefer the M serial compared to late Z.."

So slight premium for M serial over Z serial though most would accept Z8xxx as the starting point. Anything earlier than a Z8xxx might be "less desirable "

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

So 3186 started with the Z8xxxx serial? Is that confirmed?

For collectability and collectors' sake, you can safely say that the 16710-3186 starts from Z8xxx !

I have seen one reputable seller selling a Z79xxx with 3186. Close but a little discomfort for some.

Happy hunting the elusive 1671-3186 Rolex GMT Master II

[dmitrii_]

Working on a Z9xxxx serial. Going away tmrw morning but should be mine when I'm back next week if all pans out and condition is ok.

[Laurieh24]

WF have the coke version for sale:

http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Rolex/G...039/item/45789

[SeaDweller50]

I owned a Z89*** which had the 3185 installed. Only Rolex knows exactly which ones.

One here too for sale.

http://www.iconicwatches.co.uk/rolex...very-rare.html

[rollee1]

Originally Posted by Speed

If I may suggest...don't obsess so much about the serial.

Find a 16710 in the best possible / original condition you can. Then find out what serial it is / see if it's been serviced...and make your best offer.

Some folks hardly wore or babied their watches prior to selling. I'd personally take an older watch in excellent condition over a newer one just because of the serial #.

Right on

[AL7273]

Dmitri, did you ever find that Pepsi 3186?

[dmitrii_]

Originally Posted by AL7273

Dmitri, did you ever find that Pepsi 3186?

Yes, still working on it. Was away last week but should be receiving pictures and more info about it today.

[dmitrii_]

Can anyone tell me if the late Z - M serials with 3186 came on jubilee or only oyster?

If they did not come on jubilee is it possible to put a jubilee on them?

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

Can anyone tell me if the late Z - M serials with 3186 came on jubilee or only oyster?

If they did not come on jubilee is it possible to put a jubilee on them?

Only sold on Oyster by that time, but you can put them on a Jubilee.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Ttiuwp.

My "M".

What is a stick dial?

It looks like you have an MK 27 bezel insert

[dmitrii_]

Getting it guys :))

[dmitrii_]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

If it's a late Z, with engraved rehaut.

Doesn't exist

[Sarko]

Originally Posted by Casey VP-26

I do not like to disagree with Padi, so I won't. I will agree the 100% way to tell the difference in having a 3185 or 3186 movement in the 16710 would be to take the back off the watch. However I feel do to the redesign in the movement and the gears the crown method test of telling which movement is inside should prove to be about 99.999% accurate. (close enough for me) OMHO.

No, it seems that the M serial has standard 3186 in it, so u do not have to open it.

[sond86]

I feel lucky to have my M serial gmt after reading this!

I have read there are very few 16710 with 3186 movements out there and would be inclined to believe it is destined for vintage.

[apong]

Hi every body, i do have two GMT w/3186 movement, Z89xxxx and Z98xxxx, the first one i paid $ 6750 ,four yrs ago and the second one i paid $8750, if any one had and want to sell to pls message me at , thanks

[dmitrii_]

Incoming!

[Oyster Al]

At a boy

[Alpino]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

Can anyone tell me if the late Z - M serials with 3186 came on jubilee or only oyster?

If they did not come on jubilee is it possible to put a jubilee on them?

Up to the end of its production, 16710 was available in the catalogs and price lists with a jubile 62510 or Oyster 78790 bracelets options.

I must say it was uncommon to see one on jubile at AD's shops.

[shou.biao.kuang]

Originally Posted by dmitrii_

Incoming!

Saw your "incoming" post. Is it a happy ending ?? LOL

[vette boy 52]

Originally Posted by AL7273

Have one of those in the safe too!

Stopped wearing it when I saw the prices going up.

A watch is worth what someone will pay for it!

I was lucky to pick up a Coke with the 3186 movement new from an AD an I am now like you I don't wear it. I am now looking for a Pepsi with lug holes to put a super jubilee on