AP v. Hublot

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Archangellight

Lol, am i the one who dont care history? I just buy watch that i like the design and model. Hahaha

Welcome to TRF...many us are watch nuts around here

[lapince]

Originally Posted by jdkrut

Let's remember, these are just watches. Deciding on whether you prefer an AP to a Hublot is not really a matter of world peace.

I don't agree, I think we should ask the UN to put this matter into decision at the next security council

Originally Posted by DreambreaX

Instead of judging the brand, lets judge by its model.

If you compare rubberclad and ferrari, i would say ferrari.

If you compare the schumi and old big bang, i would say schumi.

I like neither bezel of rubber clad or ferrari, of course Schumi

[conkers]

Shockingly slow means five months for a regular ROO service.

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by lapince

Well Roger isn't the only one to have said something positive about Hublot, at the beginning of this page I posted:

"Hublot may have some interesting models but they just don't sing to me, but I must admit they have done a big step since the beginning, they now make it seems, minute repeater models, and other complications but it's just not mine…"

But of course I am far from being a collector of Roger's level, I have some negative feelings about Hublot for things that for me are taken from AP, PP and IWC, but I must admit that is just design wise, and that movement wise, if they are making them in-house, they made enormous steps since their beginnings when you see that they make very complicated ones like minute repeaters, in fact I kinda like their models except for their Big Bang and King Power lines which I really don't like, for the spirit of big bang line I am neutral, don't like but don't dislike either, the MP line is clearly quite innovative but not really my cup of tea, the classic fusion line does have some skeleton models that I quite like, the tourbillon and minute repeater, of course I don't know the price of these models but I suppose more than 6 figures which means that for that price I would go for a RM piece instead, so basically some classic fusion models are very nice, but for skeleton pieces I still prefer AP and RM to Hublot.

Even if most TRF members don't like the brand, I don't think anyone can say honestly that what they make is crap quality wise, it's mostly design wise IMO that collectors don't like the brand very much, in my case also the fact of having lived 8 years in Odessa Ukraine where there was a lot people with real or fake Hublot watches kind of got on my nerves, funny as I never once saw a Rolex sub there but Hublot watches by the dozens, there were a few shops selling them, replicas, in the city center

Sorry, Arnaud, I did not mean to ignore you.

Originally Posted by texex91

No bandwagon for me--I stand by my original feelings--I don't like them period. I don't like the way they look, I don't like the way they blatantly copy other watch designs, ultra high discounts=deplorable resale, I don't like unico and I could go on and on.

Can I appreciate them, sure. Do I like or want one--never.

The question was simple: AP or Hublot. I answered.

Some of us (me) might really not like the brand or the watch and I gave my reason(s).

The brand isn't going to appeal to everybody, I get it. I just feel that it gets an unfair break around here. A lot of gripes that people have with Hublot can be applied to many other brands, yet Hublot tends to generate such visceral reactions.

I really don't have a dog in this fight. I don't own a Hublot or an AP and honestly, if I had the cash, I'd probably spend it on a vintage Rolex since that's my thing. I don't know what it is, but a lot of members here, especially AP owners seem to be on the defensive when it comes to Hublot. I think we can establish that Hublot does not have the pedigree (nor will it likely ever) of AP, but that's not what Hublot is all about, is it? I appreciate the brand for what it is and I think it has its place in the watch world. I know most will not agree with me, but this is my opinion.

[conkers]

I think that is an excellent post Wes! As I mentioned before I have a lot of respect for what Biver has given the industry. I have no bias either, I buy almost everything if I take a fancy to them.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I really don't have a dog in this fight. I don't own a Hublot or an AP and honestly, if I had the cash, I'd probably spend it on a vintage Rolex since that's my thing. I don't know what it is, but a lot of members here, especially AP owners seem to be on the defensive :

...or maybe (some) people just don't like it. Simple. It's called an 'opinion'--we all have them.

Some people don't like AP. That's ok. Will I stop buying AP because someone has a different opinion? No. Some people don't like RM. Will I stop buying it? No. Hublot will continue to copy (blatantly) other watch makers designs--for me I like the real thing.

Anywho, to the OP, go with what sings to you.

[GB-man]

Good god I can't believe people want to defend hublot. Complete lack of originality, nil history, names like king bang boom bam

Not calling you out Wes my friend. I just fit squarely in the camp of disliking hublot and I'm not an AP evangelist by a LONG shot.

[Wesley Crusher]

Originally Posted by conkers

I think that is an excellent post Wes! As I mentioned before I have a lot of respect for what Biver has given the industry. I have no bias either, I buy almost everything if I take a fancy to them.

Right on, Roger.

Originally Posted by texex91

...or maybe (some) people just don't like it. Simple. It's called an 'opinion'--we all have them.

Some people don't like AP. That's ok. Will I stop buying AP because someone has a different opinion? No. Some people don't like RM. Will I stop buying it? No. Hublot will continue to copy (blatantly) other watch makers designs--for me I like the real thing.

Anywho, to the OP, go with what sings to you.

You're right. We all have our opinions. I'm certainly not here to try to change your opinion or the opinion of anybody else. I was just looking for a discussion.

Anyway, have a good one.

Originally Posted by GB-man

Good god I can't believe people want to defend hublot. Complete lack of originality, nil history, names like king bang boom bam

Not calling you out Wes my friend. I just fit squarely in the camp of disliking hublot and I'm not an AP evangelist by a LONG shot.

No worries, man.

Not long ago, I was very much against Hublot. I don't know what happened, but I started looking at the brand differently and I have definitely come around. Of course, I do not like every model. Some are, imo, downright ugly.

I can see value in almost any brand. From conservative brands like Rolex and Patek to very small, high end brands like Laurent Ferrier and FPJ to brands that are really "out there" like Hublot, HYT and RM, I like them all.

[h999r]

Originally Posted by texex91

...or maybe (some) people just don't like it. Simple. It's called an 'opinion'--we all have them.

Some people don't like AP. That's ok. Will I stop buying AP because someone has a different opinion? No. Some people don't like RM. Will I stop buying it? No. Hublot will continue to copy (blatantly) other watch makers designs--for me I like the real thing.

Anywho, to the OP, go with what sings to you.

Good point Paul. I don't like vintage watches it's not my taste. I won't even wearing it if somebody give me the watch.
At the end , it's about taste again.

[benlee]

At the end of the day, buy what you like that makes you happy. There is no right or wrong answer.

[speedfighter]

Yeah Mr. Biver is a legend in the industry and I love Hublot well the King Power Oceanographic line anyway. HYT, Urwerk, the 50mm round RM watches and MB&F HM04 are so cool IMO yet the purists might call my tastes tragic-but you know what who gives a toss-your money, your wrist, your watch-The end. No other rationale or explanation required :)

[Archangellight]

Originally Posted by benlee

At the end of the day, buy what you like that makes you happy. There is no right or wrong answer.

This is really good answer i believe. There is no right and wrong. All are right if we like it

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

I really don't have a dog in this fight. I don't own a Hublot or an AP and honestly, if I had the cash, I'd probably spend it on a vintage Rolex since that's my thing. I don't know what it is, but a lot of members here, especially AP owners seem to be on the defensive when it comes to Hublot. I think we can establish that Hublot does not have the pedigree (nor will it likely ever) of AP, but that's not what Hublot is all about, is it? I appreciate the brand for what it is and I think it has its place in the watch world. I know most will not agree with me, but this is my opinion.

Well I was another to stick up a bit for Hublot . I think the reason why AP owners esp go after Hublot is that Hublot with their Big Bang range really did seem to copy the ROOs in design and price but not in movement using ETAs. Patek and Lange owners did not have this liberty taken.

[jdkrut]

I own both. I prefer AP, but I don't have a problem with Hublot.

[Archangellight]

Its funny to see AP owner defend AP. Even They defend AP, they dont get any money from AP. Lol

I like both brand. In AP I like novelties schumi and Gp. Hublot i Like the unico and ferrari and the new perpetual unico. They are all awesome thanks to the maker. Lets appreciate the diversity instead of bashing this and that

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Danzz

I agree with Wes, no need to be on the defensive from AP fans. Let AP designers get offended by it, even though i'm pretty sure they are flattered when being copied.
To each his own opinion.

I don't think expressing a negative opinion about a product that so flagrantly copied design queues qualifies as being defensive, firstly because expressing an opinion that has been solicited by OP isn't "defensive", and secondly because the proposition itself is incorrect, as it presumes there is something there worth defending against.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Archangellight

Its funny to see AP owner defend AP. Even They defend AP, they dont get any money from AP. Lol

I like both brand. In AP I like novelties schumi and Gp. Hublot i Like the unico and ferrari and the new perpetual unico. They are all awesome thanks to the maker. Lets appreciate the diversity instead of bashing this and that

The post solicited opinions, and therefore the thread will contain them. Try using ignore function if you find this disturbing.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Archangellight

In my taste, that is very beautiful watch, I like the skeleton. I have it and its very very quality watch. When I wear it, many people asking what watch is it and they think its incredibly expensive.

Post some pics, let's see some wrist shots.

[Archangellight]

Upgraded to diamond bezel so there will be no more scratch. In the photo the diamond looks less shine, in reality during sun light or strong light its shine like heaven

[Archangellight]

Originally Posted by improviz

The post solicited opinions, and therefore the thread will contain them. Try using ignore function if you find this disturbing.

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Im just joking dont take it too seriously. Are u offended? Take it easy man life is short!!

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Archangellight

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Im just joking dont take it too seriously. Are u offended? Take it easy man life is short!!

I take exception to your saying "it's funny to see AP owners defend AP". Saying we don't like Hublot != defending AP, AP needs no defense against Hublot, for many reasons. There is nothing whatsoever defensive in an opinion, and opinions are what the OP asked for.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by Archangellight

Upgraded to diamond bezel so there will be no more scratch. In the photo the diamond looks less shine, in reality during sun light or strong light its shine like heaven

Is that the only pic you have?

[Archangellight]

Who are u improvis? I dont like replying to u anymore. I feel u r very pushy guy. Im ignoring u soon

[Archangellight]

Movement on the back, sorry for the crap picture. My phone cant shoot in close.

[conkers]

Relax everyone. Opinions are what makes for interesting discussions, let's not discourage people from sharing opinions.

[Archangellight]

Originally Posted by conkers

Relax everyone. Opinions are what makes for interesting discussions, let's not discourage people from sharing opinions.

Thanks for the kind word

[Ticking_Sonata]

Lets keep it open mindedd

[h999r]

Nice watch ... Different people different taste.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by texex91

Welcome to TRF...many us are watch nuts around here

I absolutely don't know who Paul is referring to

Originally Posted by conkers

Shockingly slow means five months for a regular ROO service.

WOW they're almost at Patek standards

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

Sorry, Arnaud, I did not mean to ignore you.

No problem mate

Originally Posted by texex91

...or maybe (some) people just don't like it. Simple. It's called an 'opinion'--we all have them.

Some people don't like AP. That's ok. Will I stop buying AP because someone has a different opinion? No. Some people don't like RM. Will I stop buying it? No. Hublot will continue to copy (blatantly) other watch makers designs--for me I like the real thing.

Anywho, to the OP, go with what sings to you.

Exactly, go with what sings to you, 1,5 year ago I asked opinion about a Blancpain L-Evolution alarm GMT against a 15300 blue dial, 99% said the BP is shit go for the AP, I went for the BP since I got it 99% new for 45% of the retail price, and sold it making 1,5K benefit, but I should've taken the AP, I would probably still have it and the prices went up like crazy on the 15300 models, especially blue dial ones

Originally Posted by GB-man

Good god I can't believe people want to defend hublot. Complete lack of originality, nil history, names like king bang boom bam

Not calling you out Wes my friend. I just fit squarely in the camp of disliking hublot and I'm not an AP evangelist by a LONG shot.

Tom I kinda agree but as I said I like there classic fusion line with the skeleton models, and as far as I know they are good quality time pieces, but the other lines, Big Bang, and I don't know what else I really don't like design wise

Originally Posted by benlee

At the end of the day, buy what you like that makes you happy. There is no right or wrong answer.

That is THE answer, ask opinions of members if you need a push in this or that direction, but buy what you like, not what others like, except if the resale is VERY important for you, in that case better get a piece that people like rather than one all hate

Originally Posted by AK797

Well I was another to stick up a bit for Hublot . I think the reason why AP owners esp go after Hublot is that Hublot with their Big Bang range really did seem to copy the ROOs in design and price but not in movement using ETAs. Patek and Lange owners did not have this liberty taken.

Hublot uses ETA movements? Of course maybe on the simple ones but do they make themselves the movements for the tourbillon, minute repeaters and other complicated ones? If not who makes them?

Originally Posted by improviz

I don't think expressing a negative opinion about a product that so flagrantly copied design queues qualifies as being defensive, firstly because expressing an opinion that has been solicited by OP isn't "defensive", and secondly because the proposition itself is incorrect, as it presumes there is something there worth defending against.

That's what I dislike, the fact that they so blatantly copied some other watch designs...

Originally Posted by Archangellight

Upgraded to diamond bezel so there will be no more scratch. In the photo the diamond looks less shine, in reality during sun light or strong light its shine like heaven

Well diamonds are not for me, but again get what sings to you and don't pay more attention than needed to the watch geeks that we are here

Originally Posted by Archangellight

Movement on the back, sorry for the crap picture. My phone cant shoot in close.

Cool looking movement is it made in house, is it a modified ETA (nothing wrong with that, I had 2 LE Pams with modified ETA's) or is it another brand making them for Hublot? If yes which brand makes their movements?

Originally Posted by conkers

Relax everyone. Opinions are what makes for interesting discussions, let's not discourage people from sharing opinions.

Exactly Roger, this is the nicest place I've seen so far on the net where people discuss and express their opinions in an "educated" way

Originally Posted by h999r

Nice watch ... Different people different taste.

If we all had the exact same tastes life would be boring, and the choice of watches would be also very boring, some like time and date only in SS, some like RG or YG with diamonds, and there's those in between, and that's the way it should be thank God

By the way I ca't believe this thread is already 4 pages, wonder how many will be when it stops, maybe we should ask for it to be a sticky?

[h999r]

Exactly .. 4 pages ... :)
I think I remember awhile back. Almost the same thread. But won't last more then 1 page.