2016 Tudor Black Bay W/ In House Movement

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

yeah this strap is straight ugly IMO

I had a tie like that in the Eighties.

[sunspot005]

I think a good nickname for the BB black eta would be the "John Mayer Black Bay".

I don't even like his music, but since he pimped this watch so well, it would be cool if this nickname stuck, like "Paul Newman Daytona" or "Steve McQueen Explorer".

[Daryl]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

I think a good nickname for the BB black eta would be the "John Mayer Black Bay".

I don't even like his music, but since he pimped this watch so well, it would be cool if this nickname stuck, like "Paul Newman Daytona" or "Steve McQueen Explorer".

I agree

[ernie2]

This is a great thread. I was one of the very first batch of people getting the ETA-BBN back in October of last year. I was in love with the vintage accents of the watch and its resemblance to the BB-1.

Fast forward to Basel16, the new BBN with in-house movement is really really nice. This is what I like about it :

1. in house movement. Eventhough ETAs are high quality movements, just the though of Rolex in-house is more desirable

2. The new writing on the dial. I never liked the "self winding rotor" wording on my BBN. It is like saying "It tells time". I guess back in the days, self winding rotor was a new big thing and they had to publicized it.

3. The rivet bracelet. A lot of you here didn't like it. On the contrary, I like it a lot. BBN is all about retro vintage accents. And a rivet bracelet is one of the attributes of the 60s ( or may be 70s ). Just like the red triangle at bezel.

Then the thought of my ETA-BBN had a very short run and should be more rare mixed in. But here is my take on the "rare-ness " of the ETA-BBN. There were some transitional models back in the days for GMTs and explorers. None of them are too highly collectable. There were some models that didn't sell well back then, such as tudor montecarlo, 1655 expII, that by accident became rare. This phenomenon is not easily replicated nowadays and I actually doubt my ETA-BBN will worth more than a TUDOR-BBN at least in the next 10 to 15 years.

So I am actually contemplating to flip.

[sunspot005]

Have you seen prices on the 1655 explorer? 5 figures. And I literally don't know of any rare Rolex explorer that doesn't command high prices.

I'm not trying to be offensive, but it almost sounds like you work for Tudor.

John Mayer Black Bay is already holding value in secondary market. You can trade yours in, but you'll probably regret it in 5 years.

[ernie2]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

Have you seen prices on the 1655 explorer? 5 figures. And I literally don't know of any rare Rolex explorer that doesn't command high prices.

I'm not trying to be offensive, but it almost sounds like you work for Tudor.

John Mayer Black Bay is already holding value in secondary market. You can trade yours in, but you'll probably regret it in 5 years.

Let me further clarify my ideas. When I was talking about TRANSITIONAL MODELS, I was not talking about 1655. I was talking about certain transitional models of explorer ii with a different movement. I am not sure what exact movement number it is. Also for the GMTs, I believe there are certain transitional models 16750? Those do not command a lot of extra $$. Even explorer with spider dials, they are not that highly sought after right ?

Rare-ness of Rolex mostly came unplanned / un-engieered. 1655, paul newman daytona, tudor monte carlo were not hot sellers at their early times. Thus did not create a lot of existence today and became rare. People bought them back then did not anticipate them to be rare in 40 years and make big $$ on it. They did not have this phenomenon at that time. Today, we have seen how the rareness played out and watches are not that easily going to be rare anymore.

That's just my 2 cents out of collecting watches for over 20 years.

P.s. I do not work for Tudor. I work in Home Depot

[outtatime]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

I think a good nickname for the BB black eta would be the "John Mayer Black Bay".

I don't even like his music, but since he pimped this watch so well, it would be cool if this nickname stuck, like "Paul Newman Daytona" or "Steve McQueen Explorer".

If that name ever became even semi-official, I'd never buy another Tudor again.

[sunspot005]

Rarity in past Rolex models were due to unpopularity at the time (eg Milgauss 1019).
Sometimes though it was limited run. Check out the 1990-91 Explorer I "blackout".
Here, you have a Black Bay Black that is hugely popular, but the ETA version has a distinct dial and has a very limited run. It's pretty unprecedented. BB Black ETA owners reap benefits of Tudor's lack of confidence that it would be a hit. It turned out to be a huge hit, which is probably why the new black with in-house got the go-ahead.

Hey outtatime...lol

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

Have you seen prices on the 1655 explorer? 5 figures. And I literally don't know of any rare Rolex explorer that doesn't command high prices.

I'm not trying to be offensive, but it almost sounds like you work for Tudor.

John Mayer Black Bay is already holding value in secondary market. You can trade yours in, but you'll probably regret it in 5 years.

Please... No more calling it this.

[madmax21]

Originally Posted by deuxani

The one with ETA movement will become a collectors item as it has only been on the market for 1 year.

Tudor has always used ETA movements in their watches I don't think they'll ever be considered collectors items get serious ...

[sunspot005]

Look up what old tudor subs go for. Certain sports models are HIGHLY collectible.

The $100k Paul Newman Daytona has a valjoux movement.

Again, it's all about the dials.

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by madmax21

Tudor has always used ETA movements in their watches I don't think they'll ever be considered collectors items get serious ...

Here are a couple of links for you:

http://www.hqmilton.com/vintage-watches/tudor

http://shop.hodinkee.com/collections...box-and-papers

[tudorluv]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

I think a good nickname for the BB black eta would be the "John Mayer Black Bay".

I don't even like his music, but since he pimped this watch so well, it would be cool if this nickname stuck, like "Paul Newman Daytona" or "Steve McQueen Explorer".

Is this John Mayer from Dead & Co. (Grateful Dead continuation band)?

[madmax21]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

Here are a couple of links for you:

http://www.hqmilton.com/vintage-watches/tudor

http://shop.hodinkee.com/collections...box-and-papers

My point here is that the price will not hike just because it's the last year of the ETA movement... If you compare watches that are rare and in some cases 40 years old I understand that they've increased in value but that's because of rarity.

They have been making Tudors with ETA movements for eons and last year or Second last year will make no difference

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by madmax21

My point here is that the price will not hike just because it's the last year of the ETA movement... If you compare watches that are rare and in some cases 40 years old I understand that they've increased in value but that's because of rarity.

They have been making Tudors with ETA movements for eons and last year or Second last year will make no difference

I'm not trying to say I'm right. All I'm trying to point out (and a few others), is that the ETA Black Bay with BLACK bezel, has been in production for less than six months, and now it's already a discontinued model.

Yes, all Tudors were made with ETA before the in-house. But not all ETA Tudors are smoking hot (BB Black) with a production run of less than a year. Reds and blues are more plentiful, and it reflects in the secondary market prices. But ETA Black will probably be a collector's item 5-10 years from now.

Even today, it's not easy to find one for sale. Look at ebay and chrono24. And when one is for sale, they're within 10 percent of retail price. That's pretty impressive.

Ok, I'm beating a dead horse, people. It's a sub $5k watch. I'm wearing mine.

[Love]

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[incontrol]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

I'm not trying to say I'm right. All I'm trying to point out (and a few others), is that the ETA Black Bay with BLACK bezel, has been in production for less than six months, and now it's already a discontinued model.

Yes, all Tudors were made with ETA before the in-house. But not all ETA Tudors are smoking hot (BB Black) with a production run of less than a year. Reds and blues are more plentiful, and it reflects in the secondary market prices. But ETA Black will probably be a collector's item 5-10 years from now.

Even today, it's not easy to find one for sale. Look at ebay and chrono24. And when one is for sale, they're within 10 percent of retail price. That's pretty impressive.

Ok, I'm beating a dead horse, people. It's a sub $5k watch. I'm wearing mine.

I agree with you. I was at an AD this week and he had the Red, the Blue and not one Black. They even checked in the safe for me. I am fortunate that my regular AD had one and I bought it. There are not too many around right now.

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Please... No more calling it this.

How about "Black Rose"

[tginther]

Couple things:

1) I own a Blue Pelagos with In-House movement and I simply cannot believe how GREAT that movement is! I'm using the WatchTracker iPhone app and in the current timing run, my Pelagos is only off by 0.5 seconds after 17 days. There aren't too many movements out there at any price that can beat that accuracy.

2) I was reading an article posted yesterday, and in the author, Elizabeth Doerr, said Tudor told her at BasilWorld that anyone with a Back Bay ETA movement could go to a service center and have the movement swapped out with the new in-house movement for $250. As I was writing this reply I went to the article to reference exactly what she has reported, but today it looks like that statement was removed from the article. Not sure if it was removed because it's not true, or that Tudor will in fact replace the ETA with in-house, but they don't want to exactly publicize the fact. Anyway, thought I'd mention it since it was reported. For anyone interested in doing something like that, it certainly wouldn't hurt to check with Tudor.

[Qtip.416]

Couldn't find an official thread but dies any one know when the new in house models will be released and when the eta one will stop production?

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Qtip.416

Couldn't find an official thread but dies any one know when the new in house models will be released and when the eta one will stop production?

Just speculation here, but i can't imagine they're still "producing" the ETA BBs. That doesn't mean they won't still be in showcases for many more months. M maybe even through the rest of the year, but why would they continue to produce both watches simultaneously?

[versatile1]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

The Black Bay Black was suddenly lanched last October, not announced at Baselworld a year ago, as I recall. It was a surprise mid-year release.

Yup

[capote]

Originally Posted by outtatime

If that name ever became even semi-official, I'd never buy another Tudor again.

I think you actaully have to *be* John Mayer in order to like that nick name

[lsettle]

My Blue Black Bay is not going anywhere any time soon!

[Wcdhtwn]

I don't know much about Tudor... Did they ever have in house movements or have they always been ETA or other mass produced movement? If this is the first time ever Tudor has an in house it'll be really hard to guess what happens in the secondary market for the ETA's. Like many here I like the original dial on the BB's but would prefer an in house movement made by Rolex. Yes even though the ETA is easier to service.

Finally on the report Tudor would swap an ETA for an in house, is this realistic? Wouldn't the new in house have to be built to the exact size of the ETA so it would fit? What's the benefit of an in house if it's a copy of an ETA?

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

I don't know much about Tudor... Did they ever have in house movements or have they always been ETA or other mass produced movement? If this is the first time ever Tudor has an in house it'll be really hard to guess what happens in the secondary market for the ETA's. Like many here I like the original dial on the BB's but would prefer an in house movement made by Rolex. Yes even though the ETA is easier to service.

Finally on the report Tudor would swap an ETA for an in house, is this realistic? Wouldn't the new in house have to be built to the exact size of the ETA so it would fit? What's the benefit of an in house if it's a copy of an ETA?

Here's an article from today that explains why the new BB is thicker (and hence why a movement swap-out program would be impossible):

http://watchesbysjx.com/2016/04/expl...black-bay.html

[mikeschmidt]

Won't it be easier and cheaper to get an ETA movement serviced? As the watch ages you can have a trusted watch smith do the work without polishing the case or swapping parts you don't want changed.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

yeah this strap is straight ugly IMO

ugly with the red - maybe awesome with the black due to triangle??

as for rose vs. shield. I don't really care - to my aging eyes the rose is barely visable until close inspection

eta all the way baby

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by ap1

ugly with the red - maybe awesome with the black due to triangle??

as for rose vs. shield. I don't really care - to my aging eyes the rose is barely visable until close inspection

eta all the way baby

yeah on black could be a different story although I don't think i'd like it no matter what.

Actual rose is no big deal but I do really like the curved "self winding" lettering on the ETA "rose" dial.

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by mikeschmidt

Won't it be easier and cheaper to get an ETA movement serviced? As the watch ages you can have a trusted watch smith do the work without polishing the case or swapping parts you don't want changed.

Yes ETA can be serviced at any competent watch repair shop, and it will save you lots of money.

There's something I hadn't considered re Tudor's new in-house movement, which is that it forces the customer to send the watch back to Tudor for certain parts (most, some or all?), which represents new opportunities for Rolex to take more of our money.


Personally, I can't imagine Tudor's in-house is that much better than ETA 2824, for purposes of a non-date watch. I don't think in-house movements really matter until you get into the five-figures price range.