Rolex vs AP

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by FremStar

A few more pics of my humble collection...



The day I acquired my DD40



I'll add this back and forth fan boy stuff of which brand is "better" has gotten a bit out of control. From Instagram and other social media outlets I read tons of garbage and will just add this, each person should buy what they like and can reasonably afford, to me there is no such thing as a better brand just better watches that work for your lifestyle. I've never publicly stated this, however, I would trade my most expensive watch in order to find the Lorus Mickey Mouse watch my Mom gifted me in the 2nd grade. I lost it many years ago and have yet to get the same feeling or enjoyment from any modern or vintage watch I own..

Most reliable...

I have your Mickey Mouse Watch,Please PM me and we can work a deal for One of those fancy Gold Watches You posted

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by gwalker

And look at all the company's that Volkswagen owns...... By your definition the VW Beetle must be better than Lamborghini and Bugatti bc VW bought them.......

They are all just glorified, rebadged VW's

Originally Posted by descartes

Never "got" AP until I actually tried on a Royal Oak (15300) and the "I have to have this" feeling came over me immediately.

I tried on a 39mm SS Dual Time and had to have it. If the missus wasn't standing there, I probably would have bought it. It's still a goal, though I believe it's now discontinued. Beautiful watch. I wouldn't dive it or change the oil in my truck with it, but for the office it would get a lot of wrist time.

[srvrf]

I know that VC is part of the classic trinity, but think that when it comes to popularity and desirability Rolex seems to be a better fit, especially on this forum.
I do have a VC Overseas Chronograph and an AP ROC and love them both. I know the WR and antimagnetic ratings are higher on the VC, but as far as durability goes, I haven't really had a problem with either and wear them both a lot. Of course the movements are the same so I guess any durability difference would be in the case.


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[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by srvrf

I know that VC is part of the classic trinity, but think that when it comes to popularity and desirability Rolex seems to be a better fit, especially on this forum.
I do have a VC Overseas Chronograph and an AP ROC and love them both. I know the WR and antimagnetic ratings are higher on the VC, but as far as durability goes, I haven't really had a problem with either and wear them both a lot. Of course the movements are the same so I guess any durability difference would be in the case.


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Interesting! Awesome to hear your response especially being that you own both watches. I'm almost positive the VC has a better water resistance so i assume that speaks to the build difference in the case and openings.

[rollerballer]

I prefer Rolex. Better service center experience.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by rollerballer

I prefer Rolex. Better service center experience.

Wow, never heard this once!

I've head cheaper service center experience but never better.

[Flstfirider]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

In your experience, how would you compare long term costs of ownership? Is AP as durable as Rolex over time? Are the service costs comparable over time?

The very reason I sold my JLC's....Rolex has a much more pleasant service experience.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by rollerballer

I prefer Rolex. Better service center experience.

I'm guessing you don't own an AP because in the us that is so wrong I don't know where to start. Outside the us ymmv.

[Hairdude1]

I love my AP

[singe89]

Originally Posted by Hairdude1

I love my AP

Awesome shot!

I love my APs and my Rolexes but we probably won't ever see finishing like this from Rolex...

[bio guyver]

Ok let us see what is the best resale value rolex any objections??

[bio guyver]

Ok Ap fanboys list for me Ap innovation. 2- list for me rolex innovation. You will know who's best.

[capote]

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok let us see what is the best resale value rolex any objections??

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok Ap fanboys list for me Ap innovation. 2- list for me rolex innovation. You will know who's best.

Fanboy much?

[singe89]

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok let us see what is the best resale value rolex any objections??

Resale value is model specific for any company. Rolex, AP, Patek included. SS rolexes hold value but PM rolexes take a huge hit. Many Pateks like the 5960 are the same. Be an educated buyer on resale and do your research and buy right and resale won't be an issue.

...then you also get to the point in collecting where personal satisfaction matters more than resale and you'll take a $10k+ loss to really enjoy a watch. Like ALS, FP Journe, Richard Mille, etc. although these can all be purchased at the right price.

[Rachaphon]

Originally Posted by singe89

Resale value is model specific for any company. Rolex, AP, Patek included. SS rolexes hold value but PM rolexes take a huge hit. Many Pateks like the 5960 are the same. Be an educated buyer on resale and do your research and buy right and resale won't be an issue.

...then you also get to the point in collecting where personal satisfaction matters more than resale and you'll take a $10k+ loss to really enjoy a watch. Like ALS, FP Journe, Richard Mille, etc. although these can all be purchased at the right price.

Well said!! I think you are exactly right! I for one, don't buy watches because of its resale value. I simply get one because I love that particular piece.

[Rachaphon]

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok Ap fanboys list for me Ap innovation. 2- list for me rolex innovation. You will know who's best.

While I might not know much about watches, I certainly do not disrespect them like you do here. like many others on this forum, I own both APs and Rolexes and I find that they are different watches for different occasions. It seems like the only fanboy here is you. That's not necessary a bad thing, but do give other Watch companies (not just AP) a proper respect they deserve.

[hoanghung45]

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok let us see what is the best resale value rolex any objections??

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok Ap fanboys list for me Ap innovation. 2- list for me rolex innovation. You will know who's best.

typical Rolex fanboy who have no knowledge and respect . You are just gaining more bad reputation for Rolex, sad

[singe89]

Originally Posted by bio guyver

Ok Ap fanboys list for me Ap innovation. 2- list for me rolex innovation. You will know who's best.

1st Stainless steel luxury sport watch....not Rolex
Leap year indicator
Skeleton
Master of the minite repeater that Patek even worked with.
List goes on but I don't feel like google searching right now


Where is Rolex when it comes to tourbillions, minute repeaters, perpetual calendar chronos, split minute chronos, skeletons, equation of time, dual balance movements, Etc. not to mention the movements that come out of APRP?

The comparison of base APs and all Rolexes are similar but from a brand standpoint AP history and complications are far above Rolex. I love Rolex for what they are but a AP grande comp can never be compared to a Rolex.

[MjolnirCFC]

I think its over-stepping the mark to suggest Rolex is number 1/the best watchmaker out there or that Rolex is better than AP.

Rolex is a very good watchmaker and is a benchmark by which status and luxury are judged by in the watchmaking world (whether people like it or not).

However, having said that, it is a benchmark and there are watches that are significantly better than the benchmark.

I recall reading somewhere that traditionally, the top watchmaking houses are Patek, VC and AP and that you could throw JLC, ALS, FPJ and Greubel Forsey into the mix as well.

There are watches that are outside the above 'magic circle' that i think most people would agree are considerably better than Rolex, such as Breguet (to name one).

Again, its not to say Rolex is rubbish - its not; its fantastic. But just like there are Merc Benz C Class and E Classes out there that are nice cars, there are also Rolls Royces, Lambos, Paganis, Ferraris, Bugattis and Koenigseggs.

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[bio guyver]

Who says I don't respect other watch brand I respect them all but when coming to speak and justify brand is not disrespect it's tilling the truth about it. And for rolex innovation check out wiki and you will see why rolex rocks. 2- when ever I went to a seller and ask for their opinion about perches a brand they always recommend rolex. In terms of resale value, quality, reliability. All brands are good but this is the truth they said. If they had Ap or Pp they will have hard time to sell it back again. What also they say is when for example too watches come to the store Ap and rolex I will first buy the rolex because I know it not sit for a while on the shelf but with other is not the same. What do you think about that?

[Rachaphon]

If I misunderstood you, I apologize. Your first post about Rolex being able to crap on AP anytime they want led me to believe that way.

Each retailer/ad have different stories when they want to push a sale. I wouldn't give it much thought unless you do your due diligence and found it to be true. And regarding the watch being on the shelves, it really depends on the models. If you are talking about a submariner, Daytona or BLNR, of course it won't be at the AD for long. However, when it comes to other unpopular like celini models or PM, trust me, it could be on that shelve for long. Somethings with AP, if you are looking for the 15202, chances are it's not on the shelve, but if you are looking for millenary, it's gonna be there!

[Star Ferry]

Rolex and AP have very different value propositions

Rolex is known for its classic bracelets and oyster cases, and also reliability and durability. We can assume Rolex manufacturing is mostly automated, and it's not attempting to be haute horlogerie.

Meanwhile AP offers hand finished movements, often with display casebacks. With the royal oak, you also have a distinctive case and bracelet design.

AP plays in a higher price range. calling it "better" depends whether or not the customer cares about movement finishing. Many Rolex customers care about case, bracelet, clasp, dial, bezel, and reliable timekeeping, but don't care too much about how much handiwork went into the movement. In fact I am probably closer to the Rolex camp on this issue. Many AP (and PP, ALS, RM etc.) customers take the opposite view

[rollerballer]

Originally Posted by SMD

I'm guessing you don't own an AP because in the us that is so wrong I don't know where to start. Outside the us ymmv.

Yes, I don't own AP anymore. Service center experience can be subjective but I find RSC much to my liking.

[hoanghung45]

They are all coming down to common senses.
Those seller recommend Rolex watches because they will have easier time selling them. They don't have to talk much about the watch itself, most buyer probably have known or heard about Rolex. No offensive but i'm doubt every kid in McDonald can write a paragraph about Rolex with two words 'expensive' and 'rich' in the title. If they have enough money sooner or later, they will definitely buy a Rolex first hand
Rolex is one of the most popular brands in the planet. AP/ PP is not as well known, as Rolex by general public, but it is considered to be even more exclusive by the people who know it. AP or PP is something i would buy after several basic watches like Rolex, Tudor

[Rachaphon]

Originally Posted by hoanghung45

They are all coming down to common senses.
Those seller recommend Rolex watches because they will have easier time selling them. They don't have to talk much about the watch itself, most buyer probably have known or heard about Rolex. No offensive but i'm doubt every kid in McDonald can write a paragraph about Rolex with two words 'expensive' and 'rich' in the title. If they have enough money sooner or later, they will definitely buy a Rolex first hand
Rolex is one of the most popular brands in the planet. AP/ PP is not as well known, as Rolex by general public, but it is considered to be even more exclusive by the people who know it. AP or PP is something i would buy after several basic watches like Rolex, Tudor

Tell me about it lol! Walked into a Chanel store with my girlfriend, the sale consultant took a look at my ROO and asked how much is that Michael Kors watch!!?? And I stayed silence lol

[bio guyver]

At the end what I want to say is both rolex and Ap are same league you can't go wrong with. both are great watches both have advantage and disadvantaged you can't say one is better than another. Even rolex and Ap both they know that they compet with each other. No one is higher level than the other. people who do this level things. Not watch makers. It's all about your taste who do this level things.

[iim7v7im7]

I like both brands and product offerings from both foe completely different reasons. Rolex is a haute gamme and AP is haute horlogerie.

[bio guyver]

I dare Ap, rolex or any high end watch maker says in public that there watch is better than the other. But my point of view rolex is the best because like some of you who says that even children know the rolex brand. It's like a ferrari most of kids know it

[MjolnirCFC]

Originally Posted by bio guyver

I dare Ap, rolex or any high end watch maker says in public that there watch is better than the other. But my point of view rolex is the best because like some of you who says that even children know the rolex brand. It's like a ferrari most of kids know it

Rolex is not the equivalent of a Ferrari in the car world.

Moreover, although Rolex is good, it is definitely not the best.



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[GeraldJ19]

I have huge respect for AP and their designs. I just cannot get over the fact of how much they remind me of an erector set.


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