I’m think I got scammed......

[77T]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

The seller sold a broken watch and refused to give a refund. That is a disgrace right there.
Then he claims he never received the watch.... tracked and deliver to the sellers address.
That stinks.

Well said, Steve.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

This. Mods need to remove sellers personal info. OP should have ensured a signature was required for delivery.

Well in fairness many asked the OP to name this seller. And now that it’s I. WatchOut, the thread would be useless to many without naming the seller.

BTW, The OP did pay for signature as an extra service - the carrier apparently delivered without doing that. OP admitted he should have insured for full value - so that’s a lesson learned.

It’s the tyranny of forums, can’t make everyone happy.


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[FB3783]

i think the OP has some options.

Report this to the local law enforcement where the seller lives. This way the OP will find out if the seller has had this type of complaint before. Also the watch is missing so the police will enter the serial number as stolen or missing in the stolen items database. This would hinder an unscrupulous seller from selling it again.

Seriously complain to the Post Office and get their Postal Investigators involved.

File a law suit in small claims court against the seller. If you could make him apppear in your home state that would be awesome, just a lot of issues with service. Even if you filed in Texas there may be an opportunity to recover some money.

[brandontran]

Agreed. Well said Steve.

Originally Posted by 77T

Well said, Steve.


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[erhein]

Originally Posted by 77T

BTW, The OP did pay for signature as an extra service - the carrier apparently delivered without doing that.

This happened to me with a watch strap that was supposed to be signed for. It was delivered to my box without a signature. Contact the local post office where the carrier works. If a package requires a signature, the post office most likely has an electronic record of the signature. Depending on state law, if the carrier signed the recipient’s name, it might very well constitute the crime of forgery. At the very least it gives the OP a lot of leverage with the post office. Be persistent. When it happened to me, I called the local post office and “Howard” just gave me the runaround. I had to contact regional customer service to get them to order Howard to provide me a copy of the electronic receipt.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

OP should have ensured a signature was required for delivery.

He did. USPS (or more specifically the carrier) screwed up and failed to scan the sig label upon delivery. The original (non-sig) label shows as delivered.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

The seller sold a broken watch and refused to give a refund. That is a disgrace right there.
Then he claims he never received the watch.... tracked and deliver to the sellers address.
That stinks.

Exactly.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by FB3783

i think the OP has some options.

Report this to the local law enforcement where the seller lives. This way the OP will find out if the seller has had this type of complaint before. Also the watch is missing so the police will enter the serial number as stolen or missing in the stolen items database. This would hinder an unscrupulous seller from selling it again.

+1

OP: If you have the SN of the watch, I would file a police report in the seller's city/county as Frank mentioned. This will enter the SN into the NCIC/TRACE database (and will flag it at most pawn shops, etc.).
If not specified, make sure to request/confirm that the report be made available to all agencies and included in the FBI stolen items database within NCIC.

Then I would forward the info/report to Rolex, which will enable them to hold the watch and/or turn it over to the authorities if it is ever sent in for service.
You might also post the SN here and other forums to increase the chances of it being found via web search in the future.

[goldfixer21]

Even if it was delivered without a signature, I doubt USPS would pay anything above the insured value. Since it was under-insured, that won't help at all.

[77T]

Originally Posted by freefly

He did. USPS (or more specifically the carrier) screwed up and failed to scan the sig label upon delivery. The original (non-sig) label shows as delivered.

The scan for the March 1st delivery was the 2nd tracking number that added the signature required service. The original tracking still shows undelivered. The clerk at USPS should have voided the original tracking number when the OP noted that he needed a signature upon delivery.

Now on the delivery end, there is a wrinkle everyone should consider. Don’t forget that the carrier may leave a form 3849 that says “your package could not be delivered” because a signature was required. It allows the recipient to sign the form and leave it in the mailbox. That way the package can be delivered without the recipient seeing the carrier.

Now if you choose “Adult Signature” required then the carrier must see the recipient.

Originally Posted by erhein

If a package requires a signature, the post office most likely has an electronic record of the signature.

Maybe there’s a electronic signature or not. Because it may have been on paper somewhere, it may not have ever been put online.



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[freefly]

Originally Posted by 77T

The scan for the March 1st delivery was the 2nd tracking number that added the signature required service. The original tracking still shows undelivered. The clerk at USPS should have voided the original tracking number when the OP noted that he needed a signature upon delivery.

If you look at the "product information" tab on the tracking page for each, the one that shows the alert/delay is the added one with sig confirmation. The original label shows as delivered.

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...19278057180765

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...99560555090594

However, I totally agree about the label-voiding. That would have prevented the issue from the beginning, and would've removed the possibility for error on the carrier's part, IMO.

Sort of a moot point I guess, as I don't see any scenario here where USPS compensates the OP, except for maybe the initial cost of shipping.
Heck, even if it was fully insured, it would likely still be a denied claim (or a serious uphill battle at least), as at least one label shows the package as "delivered".

If you read their coverage policy, it states:
"coverage is provided against loss, damage, or missing contents".
The fact that "theft" is not mentioned in that statement is no accident I am sure.


So, at this point I would focus energy on recovering the watch itself (another long shot) and/or at least making life more difficult for the seller if/when he tries to resell it in the future.


ETA:

If/when I ever send watches via USPS, it is always via (insured) Registered Mail. That puts the package on a completely different level (security and chain-of-custody wise). YMMV.

[77T]

Originally Posted by freefly

If you look at the "product information" tab on the tracking page for each, the one that shows the alert/delay is the added one with sig confirmation. The original label shows as delivered.

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[Etschell]

Originally Posted by brandontran

Here’s my summary:

This guy is definitely scammed me.
Bought a damaged broken Rolex date just 2015 which the seller claims was serviced a few months ago. He said he had some parts replaced. Never mention this when he was selling it. Asked for refund but seller refused. He said he’ll repair it. I had no choice so I Sent to back to seller to have it repair/fix.
Tracking number confirmed it was delivered on March 1st. Label # 9405511899560555090594. Seller denial receiving any package in the mail. I’ve tried to contact him numerous times for the past 2-3 weeks and the answer was always the same. No package.
He’s on Timezone. I’m going to report this to timezone. Please give me suggestions how and where to report this.

Avoid dealing with this guy. He’s a very smooth scammer. By chatting with him, you could never tell. He claims to buy used Rolex and resale them. I think this is how he does his scamming- replacing Rolex parts.


Here’s his information:

Mod edit: personal info with home address removed.

this isnt scrubbed. i can still find it via google if you search for this thread. the tapatalk history is holding it.

[brandontran]

I’m going to inform them to add him on this list.....

http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...2056&rid=73642

[CaveDweller]

I presume for selling you a watch that could have been damaged in transit - and for hiding the fact that that he received the return - you have no hard proof of either one way or the other

If that was my reputation you were playing with, I'd lawyer up and take your butt to the cleaners

This all happened because of the way you shipped it back - that much "fault" can at least clearly be established

I have every sympathy for your loss - but the way you are going about "revenge" is likely to backfire ......

[brandontran]

Bryan and I are in a process to work out this situation to make right and fair. I hope he does so I could clear his name.......stay tuned.

[77T]

I am hopeful you and the seller will find a fair solution.


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[Watchmanaz]

Let me know if he doesn't i have a friend at the FBI in Texas i can forward this info to.

[Jidonsu]

OP, I just noticed that you said the seller's name is Bryan and is from Fort Worth. If it's who I think it is...then I'm sorry...

Sent you a PM as well.

[Cryten]

Originally Posted by brandontran

I’m going to inform them to add him on this list.....

http://forums.watchnet.com/index.php...2056&rid=73642

I scrolled through that list and noticed Tony (Justrolexes) is on it. That just makes me wonder how easy is it for a disgruntled buyer to get someone on that list.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by Cryten

I scrolled through that list and noticed Tony (Justrolexes) is on it. That just makes me wonder how easy is it for a disgruntled buyer to get someone on that list.

Saw that too, but noticed the email listed is incorrect.
So, I'm sure it's simply the result of scammers posing as Tony and/or his account being hacked in the past that got him on that list.
Still, they should really clarify to state it is/was an "imposter" so there is no confusion, IMO.

[brandontran]

This is a DJ - Model #116234 - Serial #551074D1

[77T]

Originally Posted by freefly

Saw that too, but noticed the email listed is incorrect.

So, I'm sure it's simply the result of scammers posing as Tony and/or his account being hacked in the past that got him on that list.

Still, they should really clarify to state it is/was an "imposter" so there is no confusion, IMO.

That’s a goood point...we all know Tony is legit. Many of the forums that post long lists of scammers never go back and correct the info. Naming Tony and never correcting it is bad.

That is why I very much like what Steve and he Mods have created here. Each case can be thoroughly discussed and a rational conclusion can be made by the potential buyer.

The OP’s situation on this case is worth sharing for our newer members...they can learn from actions on both ends of the transaction.

By the way, eBay used to allow guides to be written to help avoid fakes and scams. I authored one and they just told me that they are closing the guides section. Guess why? Nobody read them and kept falling for scams.

So WatchOut helps keep the number of fakes down, and the scammers identified.

I hope the OP succeeds in this quest.


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[brandontran]

Great Advice. Thank you.

Originally Posted by FB3783

i think the OP has some options.

Report this to the local law enforcement where the seller lives. This way the OP will find out if the seller has had this type of complaint before. Also the watch is missing so the police will enter the serial number as stolen or missing in the stolen items database. This would hinder an unscrupulous seller from selling it again.

Seriously complain to the Post Office and get their Postal Investigators involved.

File a law suit in small claims court against the seller. If you could make him apppear in your home state that would be awesome, just a lot of issues with service. Even if you filed in Texas there may be an opportunity to recover some money.

[JayB]

Any update on this?

A week ago you were apparently working something out with the seller

[ravnwood]

I would never send via USPS. Hell, I ordered something expensive back in February (over $1000) and the seller sent it via USPS insured, and signature required. My mail carrier just shoved it in my mailbox and never even tried to get a signature from me. To this day the tracking info is still marked as not delivered, but I did indeed receive it.

An unscrupulous person could have lied and said they never got it, but that's definitely not me.

[rolehex]

Originally Posted by ravnwood

I would never send via USPS. Hell, I ordered something expensive back in February (over $1000) and the seller sent it via USPS insured, and signature required. My mail carrier just shoved it in my mailbox and never even tried to get a signature from me. To this day the tracking info is still marked as not delivered, but I did indeed receive it.

An unscrupulous person could have lied and said they never got it, but that's definitely not me.

USPS, Registered mail is the only way I would send something of value. Takes longer but I trust it.

[imperio]

Originally Posted by ravnwood

I would never send via USPS. Hell, I ordered something expensive back in February (over $1000) and the seller sent it via USPS insured, and signature required. My mail carrier just shoved it in my mailbox and never even tried to get a signature from me. To this day the tracking info is still marked as not delivered, but I did indeed receive it.

An unscrupulous person could have lied and said they never got it, but that's definitely not me.

Did you register for an account just to post this

[brandontran]

I guess he did!!!! It could be the DEVIL himself!!!!

Originally Posted by imperio

Did you register for an account just to post this

[77T]

Originally Posted by ravnwood

I would never send via USPS. Hell, I ordered something expensive back in February (over $1000) and the seller sent it via USPS insured, and signature required. My mail carrier just shoved it in my mailbox and never even tried to get a signature from me. To this day the tracking info is still marked as not delivered, but I did indeed receive it.

An unscrupulous person could have lied and said they never got it, but that's definitely not me.

Welcome to TRF. Hard to know what you meant.

Are you saying that the suspected seller/scammer in this case probably DID get the USPS package and lied?


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