Would you still tip when restaurants start to pay full minimum wage?

[Galibier]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

I tip very well and the servers know this. Many times, my drink is waiting on me before I even sit down (at the pub).

The same would be done in a UK pub/bar for a regular yet you don't need to tip the bar staff to pour you drink or open a bottle. It baffles me that they need a tip for such a simple task.

I just find the tipping culture bizarre as I've not grown up with it.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by V25V

So you want them to be happy, right? So if a server makes say $80K/year, which is totally possible, a restaurant should pay that person $40/hr? You do understand as a business owner that this additional expense has to come from somewhere, so where do you recover that? In your pricing, which you pass along to your customer? Or, you cut down on staff/salaries to lean things out? I am a business owner now as well, I get it.

And from your second sentence above, I can see where you are trying to go here and I do not disagree with you there. But by making that statement, it would seem you feel their value is only "x" and if they want to make more, go to school to better yourself and get a "real" career. Many people in that business do not feel the same way and are perfectly happy with what they do and how much they make. This new model you are trying to go towards would completely upset that.

I would say a server that makes $80k a year is probably good at what he or she does......he or she is marketable. Employers should have to compete to retain those types of employees, in essence, pay them more. I’m more than willing to give a raise to any of my employees that directly generates more income for me. I don’t demean the value of their job at all, but it does have a basic “market value” attached to it, and that’s the job they have chosen.

[RationalPragmatist]

I tip the Subway sandwich 'artists'

[dmash]

Originally Posted by V25V

So you want them to be happy, right? So if a server makes say $80K/year, which is totally possible, a restaurant should pay that person $40/hr? You do understand as a business owner that this additional expense has to come from somewhere, so where do you recover that? In your pricing, which you pass along to your customer? Or, you cut down on staff/salaries to lean things out? I am a business owner now as well, I get it.

And from your second sentence above, I can see where you are trying to go here and I do not disagree with you there. But by making that statement, it would seem you feel their value is only "x" and if they want to make more, go to school to better yourself and get a "real" career. Many people in that business do not feel the same way and are perfectly happy with what they do and how much they make. This new model you are trying to go towards would completely upset that.

Lol I have friends in south beach who pull down 6 firgures in the industry. They’ll make $10k in ONE WEEK during WMC. They’d rather shoot themselves they work any amount of ‘real jobs’ making even less than they do. I’d say they’re doing just fine.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by V25V

I am a business owner now as well, I get it.

BTW, congratulations. I wish you all the success in the world.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by pickettt

I would say a server that makes $80k a year is probably good at what he or she does......he or she is marketable. Employers should have to compete to retain those types of employees, in essence, pay them more. I’m more than willing to give a raise to any of my employees that directly generates more income for me. I don’t demean the value of their job at all, but it does have a basic “market value” attached to it, and that’s the job they have chosen.

I know of several that make very much over $100,000 in Orlando.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by Art 1

I know of several that make very much over $100,000 in Orlando.

Yup. Have many friends who worked in Orlando and Miami in the industry (I’m from Fl)

[SearChart]

I'm glad I'm the 'ignorant' European who just rounds the number off and will most likely never set foot in that particular restaurant again
American waiters are gonna hate me

[imperio]

If servers gets substantial amounts in tips for going over and above their basic job requirements, props to them and I'll say well deserved.

If a server moans about not receiving a tip for doing the bare minimum and says he needs it to survive, well, tough luck go have a cry? Better yet some servers think they are entitled to twice the tip because you ordered a $100 steak and not the $50 one.

[watchtabs]

Yep

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by SearChart

I'm glad I'm the 'ignorant' European who just rounds the number off and will most likely never set foot in that particular restaurant again
American waiters are gonna hate me

I guess we european's live in another world when it comes to tip.

In Sweden for example we have rules about salary. The only way to get a
bad salary is that it is based on commission sales
and applies to sellers who can then influence their salary by doing a good sales job.

Then we use to give waiter's and cab driver's a small tip but I guess these days
when people pay with credit card they lost a lot of tips.

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by imperio

I beg to differ... It is the employee's responsibility to ensure he can pay his bills, not the employer nor customers (regardless of profession).

I did not mean that it is the employer's responsibility that the employees can pay their bills, then everyone would loan as much as they could.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by Art 1

I know of several that make very much over $100,000 in Orlando.

Excellent, I'm glad for them and I'm sure they're earning it. I love to see people successful in exchange for their hard work. My issue is with their employers (or rather, the system that enables said employers), not the wait staff.

[V25V]

Originally Posted by pickettt

Excellent, I'm glad for them and I'm sure they're earning it. I love to see people successful in exchange for their hard work. My issue is with their employers (or rather, the system that enables said employers), not the wait staff.

Yes, we get that. But what you are proposing doesn't help anyone, especially the wait staff. Most I know here were/are adamantly against Initiative 77.

[Chewbacca]

... still no Mr Pink Reservoir Dogs meme, huh?

[Chewbacca]

Done.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by imperio

I beg to differ... It is the employee's responsibility to ensure he can pay his bills, not the employer nor customers (regardless of profession).

an employer who cant pay their employees a living wage deserves to go out of business. I subsidize McDonalds employees because minimum wage isnt a living wage and i don't even eat at McDonalds and they qualify for all kinds of assistance that i pay for because their salary is below the poverty line. I think the point is any full time job, no matter what it is your should be able to cover your basic needs and employers need to pay it, not the rest of us. Minimum wage does not do that. Im using McDonalds as an example of any employer who pays minimum wage, i have no idea what their starting pay is so maybe not McDonalds specifically.

Im against subsidizing employers. And its not like you can "get a better job" as that works in a micro sense but not in a macro sense. If everyone had college degrees, the least capable would still work at McDonalds. So an individual can move up, but everyone cant as its simply impossible.

[imperio]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

an employer who cant pay their employees a living wage deserves to go out of business. I subsidize McDonalds employees because minimum wage isnt a living wage and i don't even eat at McDonalds and they qualify for all kinds of assistance that i pay for because their salary is below the poverty line. I think the point is any full time job, no matter what it is your should be able to cover your basic needs and employers need to pay it, not the rest of us. Minimum wage does not do that. Im using McDonalds as an example of any employer who pays minimum wage, i have no idea what their starting pay is so maybe not McDonalds specifically.

Im against subsidizing employers. And its not like you can "get a better job" as that works in a micro sense but not in a macro sense. If everyone had college degrees, the least capable would still work at McDonalds. So an individual can move up, but everyone cant as its simply impossible.

Local governments research and arrive at what the ideal minimum wage should be in order for someone to meet basic needs in their respective cities; it is not decided using a random number generator. How are we qualified to assert that the min wage is not a living wage? Money is never going to be enough. Bonuses and pay increments will always be welcome and appreciated.

Yes if everyone had college degrees the least capable would still work at McDonald's. But the reality is that not everyone will be able to get a college degree so there will be some people who work at McDonald's their entire life. And while that sucks for them, that's just too bad; the rest of the world does not owe it to them to be able to live comfortably. Yes it's unfair. Is it fair that you have 2 rolexes and I only have 1? No, but too bad for me. My point being employers are not on the hook for anything more than the legal minimum requirements.

I would love to see the look on my manager's face if I had gone to her back then and demanded an increase because I couldn't survive on the wages I received. It actually was at McDonald's (no kidding) and yes they paid me min wage. If I had to hazard a guess, her response would probably be for me to clock extra hours.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

an employer who cant pay their employees a living wage deserves to go out of business. I subsidize McDonalds employees because minimum wage isnt a living wage and i don't even eat at McDonalds and they qualify for all kinds of assistance that i pay for because their salary is below the poverty line. I think the point is any full time job, no matter what it is your should be able to cover your basic needs and employers need to pay it, not the rest of us. Minimum wage does not do that. Im using McDonalds as an example of any employer who pays minimum wage, i have no idea what their starting pay is so maybe not McDonalds specifically.

Im against subsidizing employers. And its not like you can "get a better job" as that works in a micro sense but not in a macro sense. If everyone had college degrees, the least capable would still work at McDonalds. So an individual can move up, but everyone cant as its simply impossible.

I agree. Some of these multinationals are booking huge profits, yet we all pay for their employees to join medicaid to cover their (vastly inflated) medical expenses. Give the employees enough compensation to buy private insurance, give them free insurance, or fire them and automate. Let's end this scam.

[austinp]

Some perspective.
Enlisted Army pay schedule.

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[V25V]

We are officially off the rails.....


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[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by austinp

Some perspective.
Enlisted Army pay schedule.

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Apples and oranges. Enlisted military get room, board, and medical care, in addition to other benefits like the GI Bill.

[watchbowl]

Wow I always thought people were just super generous in the states tipping 20%, I never knew it was due to subsiding their salary. People are really happy in the UK when I tip 10%!

[dmash]

Does anyone else find it odd, that a lot of people on minimum wage (and welfare) seem to have the newest iPhones, luxury sunglasses/sneakers/accessories etc?..........or maybe that was just a Florida thing. I found it *quite* peculiar listening to people talk about how they 'can't afford to live', but seemed to upgrade phones every year and have things like LV purses. Kind of seemed more that they 'can't afford to live how I want to'.

I remember being poor as a kid and I had clothes from Goodwill and didn't know what I was eating that night, lol.

[ecdc]

Tipping's always been strange to me. I could order a $10 burger, and my wife could order a $40 filet mignon. Same (or more) work to make the burger, but the server would make 4x the tip for simply putting in the order and then walking the steak to my wife, vs. me my burger. All because of the underlying price of the item. What a weird way to assign value to a service.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by Simon040289

Wow I always thought people were just super generous in the states tipping 20%, I never knew it was due to subsiding their salary. People are really happy in the UK when I tip 10%!

I do the same and think it a fair tip.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by ecdc

Tipping's always been strange to me. I could order a $10 burger, and my wife could order a $40 filet mignon. Same (or more) work to make the burger, but the server would make 4x the tip for simply putting in the order and then walking the steak to my wife, vs. me my burger. All because of the underlying price of the item. What a weird way to assign value to a service.

The idea is for the sever to try to sway the customer to spend more money.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by dmash

Does anyone else find it odd, that a lot of people on minimum wage (and welfare) seem to have the newest iPhones, luxury sunglasses/sneakers/accessories etc?..........or maybe that was just a Florida thing. I found it *quite* peculiar listening to people talk about how they 'can't afford to live', but seemed to upgrade phones every year and have things like LV purses. Kind of seemed more that they 'can't afford to live how I want to'.

I remember being poor as a kid and I had clothes from Goodwill and didn't know what I was eating that night, lol.

I don't know about other states but that sort of thing is common in Florida.

[TK-710]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

Apples and oranges. Enlisted military get room, board, and medical care, in addition to other benefits like the GI Bill.

Yeah and they are also told where they’re going to live and who they’re going to live with. When I was enlisted I lived with two roommates in a barracks from the 30’s and worked from 6:30am to 5pm then I was cut loose to go do barracks maintenance for another three hours. My room was 12x12 and I shared a bathroom that had four shower heads with 20 others. I was single and therefore was not allowed to rent even if I wanted to.

When I was deployed to Iraq my enlisted soldiers slept 4 men to a trailer. Worked 16 hour days and worked 350 of 365 days. So if you want to say it’s apples and oranges because of the benefits then add them all up a divide by hours worked any you’ll see what a great deal they are really getting. Not to mention I think it takes a little more training to dress a sucking chest wound then wait a table; so in reality it should not even be close to begin with.

The GI Bill you pay into so only those who pay into and go to a qualifying school get that. The Post 9/11 GI Bill is a different story but come with it’s own sacrifices.

But unintentionally you do make a valid point. Wait staff have other options. They can enlist and live like kings.

PS. I always tip especially when I’m working because the wait staff always takes great care of us and I like to return the favor.

[BNA/LION]

Yes.

Note: If the Service Sucks, Your Tip will reflect that. If the Food Sucks, It will be returned to the kitchen and your tip will not change.