Dial Imperfections on Rolex Sunburst

[moyski]

I just saw a group of guys under the sun with loupes looking at their watches from all angles. I was wondering what the heck are they doing?!? Then I chanced upon this thread...

First world problems...

[milwins]

Originally Posted by R G

I hear what you’re saying. There are loads of people like that, not just those that go to car meet ups. I just don’t know what that has to do with someone’s financial ability?! That just tells me that someone is very particular.

Are you saying that someone with far more wealth would be more accepting of a stitch that was perhaps not as uniformed, or the fading of an area of fabric?

Why??

I think you’ll find that it’s generally nothing to do with wealth, but actually purely cognitive processing.

No, I'm saying people with wealth purchase nicer things. These groups of guys pop up in areas where whatever 'thing' it is, it's perceived as very nice, but isn't as expensive as what most would assume.

Thus, the gentleman have an expectation of luxury while they didn't actually pay for it. Since the price doesn't justify the craftsmanship, obviously corners are cut somewhere. When they find them, they get very vocal about it.

Low end sport cars is the best example I can think of.

[MUSTAQT]

You know how many more red circles I could've added to those pics posted by the OP, just from those angles alone, let alone from any additional?

Furthermore, did it ever occur to anybody here how this person, simply by chance might I add, acquired so many of these pieces with the exact same "defect"? I mean, c'mon guys, this is silly. There's no "QC" issue here, just an overly-sensitive, hyper-anal owner.

Sell your pieces. This game isn't for you.

[MUSTAQT]

Originally Posted by lord91

Rolex sunburst dials are brushed. Variations in the grooves can occur, just look at your bracelet brushed parts. When light hits them at certain angles, some may appear more striking. It is not a flaw, it's just like this with brushed finishes.

This man is exactly right. I have noticed the same thing with my Rolex bracelets. All of them.

[peterpl]

LOL Amazing how ignorant some people are. Still questioning it when THE MANUFACTURER themselves have replaced countless dials under warranty for these issues including 2 of my very own ones.

Its like the Takata airbag recall and saying there is still no danger to people's lives even though the manufacturer has fixed them under warranty and admitted it. LMFAO. If thats not ignorance there's no other word.

Look man we understand your stance. No point repeating yourself over and over and over again. Your like a broken record. Make your point and move on.

Plenty on here disagree with you and you are in the minority in this case. Simple.

[peterpl]

Here is another TRF'r that had the same problem and RSC fixed his as well.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...cratch+on+dial

[R G]

Originally Posted by peterpl

Here is another TRF'r that had the same problem and RSC fixed his as well.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...cratch+on+dial

Well, all I can say is that there are a lot of people who will have to take up an interest in a far less expensive hobby as this watch game is clearly out of their reach financially.

Anyone up for a game of darts??

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by R G

Well, all I can say is that there are a lot of people who will have to take up an interest in a far less expensive hobby as this watch game is clearly out of their reach financially.

Anyone up for a game of darts??

I cant even afford darts

Must be out of my budget because there are too many inconsistencies with the darts as well. Paints no good, dart pins are not sharp enough, bit of rust on the metal - yep definitely out of our price bracket.

[|404|]

Originally Posted by MUSTAQT

There's no "QC" issue here, just an overly-sensitive, hyper-anal owner.

Sell your pieces. This game isn't for you.

You really are ignorant.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by MUSTAQT

You know how many more red circles I could've added to those pics posted by the OP, just from those angles alone, let alone from any additional?

Furthermore, did it ever occur to anybody here how this person, simply by chance might I add, acquired so many of these pieces with the exact same "defect"? I mean, c'mon guys, this is silly. There's no "QC" issue here, just an overly-sensitive, hyper-anal owner.

Sell your pieces. This game isn't for you.

And this place isn't for you.

Bye.

[Onikage]

Definitely irregularities. Some aren't even straight.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by peterpl

Honestly at this price point you would expect sunburst lines to be done properly. I've owned IWC/Breitling/Panerai etc....NONE of the other brands have this issue in fact I have never seen any other brand have these inconsistencies since I started playing close attention to this fault and I look at and take high res pictures of all watches not only Rolex.

I disagree with this statement or even that your observations are comparable. None of those brands sells anything close to what Rolex sells, none of those brands has anything close to the number of sunburst dials that Rolex offers and none of those brands has a more vocal detail obsessed die hard following than Rolex.

I could walk into my local gym in Richardson Texas and ask twenty people what is an IWC watch and less than half would know the brand while all twenty would know what a Rolex is.

Just the other day someone posted a thread about the print variation on a Deepsea dial, because the new one is thicker in a way I wouldn't even notice unless I used obvious magnification. Look at the size of the Omega forums compared to Rolex forums or how much literature is available on just the Submariner and Sea-Dweller red dials.

I don't make excuses for the faults listed in your op... I would be livid if my Platona had a mark on the dial. However, let's not say no other manufacturer has these issues.
No other manufacturer equals Rolex in just about any metric.
Even Thierry Stern said he wishes he could understand and see the inside of Rolex manufacturing to understand how they put out such a quality product in such high numbers.
Well, this is how unfortunately, allowable tolerances.

Lastly, I would not accept these images as sound unrefuttable proof. Macro images captured at certain angles under certain varying degrees of light are and can be very decieving.

Just look at the pictures of the BLRO, purple pink, blue red...
I've given myself a heart attack with photos that showed a scratched bezel, cracked pearl or chipped crystal only to see it was just the angle and reflection.

In a court of law, I would firsts require to see those dials with the naked eye in natural light. If it can be seen under natural varying degrees of light by the naked corrected vision eye then I can attest their is a problem.

For the record, I'm not saying there isn't an issue, but what I am saying is that I don't believe Rolex has a QC issue. And this thread doesn't bring to light a huge passive Rolex conspiracy.
On those pm watches if true, I would expect more....otherwise, I am not staring at the watch through a loop or magnification. Nor is it exquisite art to stare at and scrutinize, it is just a watch.
For detailed scrutiny I'd venture off into fine boutique brands with production numbers less than a few thousand a year not close to a million.

[Harry-57]

If RSC is willing to correct these marks at no cost to the owner, then those of us who have them have the option of either doing so or letting it pass. These watches are hand finished and inspected by humans. Variations will occur. If it's a variation which is out of scope and they are willing to fix, I can't see how the fastidiousness and income of the owner, or anyone else's opinion wold come into play. 95% of this thread doesn't appear to make any sense.

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

I disagree with this statement or even that your observations are comparable. None of those brands sells anything close to what Rolex sells, none of those brands has anything close to the number of sunburst dials that Rolex offers and none of those brands has a more vocal detail obsessed die hard following than Rolex.

I could walk into my local gym in Richardson Texas and ask twenty people what is an IWC watch and less than half would know the brand while all twenty would know what a Rolex is.

Have you owned other brands? IWC do have many sunburst dials. I used to own a few actually as I loved Pilot watches. IWC 3777 Petite Prince, Ju Air and even 3878 standard dial all came with very deep sunburst dials and I personally never saw these inconsistencies on them. I'm also part of 3 different watch groups who have frequent gathering and one of them is a vivid and obsessed IWC fan. I get to handle many many of them with sunburst dials so my statements come from personal experience. That is all. Also what does people knowing the brand have anything to do with sunburst dial inconsistencies?

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

No other manufacturer equals Rolex in just about any metric.

I think you have rose colored glasses. Rolex is a very very good brand but please dont kid yourself saying no brand has anything on Rolex. Thats just a complete joke.

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Lastly, I would not accept these images as sound unrefuttable proof. Macro images captured at certain angles under certain varying degrees of light are and can be very decieving.

These are not macro images. Yes they are zoomed but far from macros. Like I said in the posts before you can see these with the naked eye and I'm not the only one that can. There are numerous members participating in this thread that have had the same problems and have complained to RSC and once again RSC have come to the agreement that there is a problem and swapped out the dial. What is hard to understand about that? If the Manufacturer themselves are admitting to the fault why are you saying there is no fault?

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

For the record, I'm not saying there isn't an issue, but what I am saying is that I don't believe Rolex has a QC issue. And this thread doesn't bring to light a huge passive Rolex conspiracy.
On those pm watches if true, I would expect more....otherwise, I am not staring at the watch through a loop or magnification. Nor is it exquisite art to stare at and scrutinize, it is just a watch.

Confused here. Of course its true like I said 2 of those PM watches are mine and the rest are members participating in this thread or others on here. What do you mean IF TRUE? We didn't Photoshop the pictures. LOL

Secondly no loupe or magnification needed to see these scratches. You can see them all with the naked eye and the guys on here who have experienced this will attest to that fact.

Anyway the point of this thread really is to see how many other people have experienced this and due to the msgs and replies it seems there are a huge number of ppl who have experienced this not including the people I know that are not on TRF who also have experienced these issues. (i.e) members of the watch clubs I am part of.

Rolex themselves promote perfection on their dials. This is highlighting the fact that its far from the truth.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by peterpl

Rolex themselves promote perfection on their dials. This is highlighting the fact that its far from the truth.

Have you not seen the latest website updates Peter?

Clearly not Sunburst, but the same applies

[Kostas]

I don’t know if I see imperfections or not on my dial , but any excuse to post a pic :)

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Have you not seen the latest website updates Peter?

Clearly not Sunburst, but the same applies

Dope! I must have missed that update.