Is the Batman losing popularity? Why does it seem like that?

[peterpl]

David/Takuya are only 2 dealers. And they are known for their premiums.

You know there are literally 1000s and 1000s of dealers worldwide right? not to mention the individual sales. Whats wrong with buying F2F? I've had some of the best deals face to face and got to meet some great guys as well.

I never use Davids prices as a benchmark - he is always 2-3k above market.

[Mystro]

I sure hope the trend does go down but until you see watches in AD display cases, it seems to just move the needle slightly. When the trusted sellers start selling below msrp like they did less than 3 years ago, we will be back to true competitive buyers market. Then maybe everyone won’t focus so much on money. At this point it’s up to everyone’s personal value system when and how much they feel comfortable to pay. This year I diversified with two watches from Rolex and two from other brands. I can’t go total Rolexcentric regardless what the Rolex market does. I am not a flipper or collector so after buying the watches, everything else is inconsequential to me. My watches are insured for what I paid and that’s all that matters when it comes to residual value. I am tired of all the speculation threads and would love to move back to the technical watch threads.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I sure hope the trend does go down but until you see watches in AD display cases, it seems to just move the needle slightly. When the trusted sellers start selling below msrp like they did less than 3 years ago, we will be back to true competitive buyers market. At this point it’s up to everyone’s personal value system when and how much they feel comfortable to pay. I am tired of all the speculation threads and would love to move back to the technical watch threads.

Hope no more sir.
Well its going down until now even on holiday season which completely the opposite of what you said thats it rising because of the price increase


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Well its going down until now even on holiday season which completely the opposite of what you said thats it rising because of the price increase
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Regardless where you find your data, I noticed David raised his prices this week by a few hundred dollars after the Rolex price hike announcement so this is like ltrying to prove a negative if everyone doesn’t pick the same established dealers to gage the price and selling rate. David and others are selling watches and a lot of them so we are nowhere near a drastic change in the near future since there is plenty stepping up to pay a premium above msrp. To like DavidSW or not, he is a very well respected industry seller well beyond hobby traders that knows the industry and has been at this a long time. Professionals at his level know the market trends. If you see DavidSW start to lower prices then you can be sure the market is lowering but that’s not the case yet.
A low volume unestablished dealer or a guy flipping his watch does not a trend make. It is what it is how every you want to interpret the tea leaves. There is no absolutes in predicting where the market is going. I have read the same threads the last 2.5 years with declarations of the Rolex market is finally going down. 3 years ago with those declaring that they would never ever pay $16k for a Daytona and will wait it out for it to go back to $14k.

If you are not in the market to buy the watch then why even care unless watch speculation has become a hobby. I don’t have a dog in the fight anymore and I detest speculating as it’s a waist of time because no one really knows what the future holds.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Regardless where you find your data, I noticed David raised his prices this week by a few hundred dollars so this is like ltrying to prove a negative if everyone doesn’t pick the same established dealers to gage the price and selling rate. David and others are selling watches and a lot of them so we are nowhere near a drastic change in the near future.
The free market or a guy flipping his watch does not a trend make. It is what it is how every you want to interpret the tea leaves. I don’t have a dog in the fight anymore and I detest speculating as it’s a waist of time because no one really knows what the future holds.

The data is in your face already and i already showed it to you. Its in these forum where the data lives and you can check it. Those sellers who are selling it for 14k are not private flippers. They are stablished seller here. Davidsw price his watch to his liking but that doesnt mean thats the price we should pay


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

The data is in your face already and i already showed it to you. Its in these forum where the data lives and you can check it. Those sellers who are selling it for 14k are not private flippers. They are stablished seller here. Davidsw price his watch to his liking but that doesnt mean thats the price we should pay


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How does DavidSW, Chase, Tony, Takuya, sell their watches at those “over market prices” so easily and do it in volume?? If they are that far out of touch with the market they would not be some of our forums most trusted sellers. I have been buying watches too long and know these guys and how they operate to even imply they don’t know what they are doing.
Unless you have purchased a few watches from these other low ball sellers, then I am going to politely disagree you are just cheery picking from anonymous low ball listings and have no idea the actual watch condition or buying experience. Unless you are rolling the dice with your own money, then all this is pure speculation.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

How does DavidSW, Chase, Tony, Takuya, sell their watches at those “over market prices” so easily and do it in volume?? If they are that far out of touch with the market they would not be some of our forums most trusted sellers. I have been buying watches too long and know these guys and how they operate to even imply they don’t know what they are doing.

Its their watch, their price. Its a free market. They charge more for being reputable seller here. But that doesn’t mean we should follow their price. If it sells at their price then good for them. But why would i buy a blnr for 15.6 plus if theres a same watch for 14k to reputable seller as well. There are 100s of online seller here so those you mention are a few sellers to choose from.


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[Dlong]

What you ask and what you get are two different things. Anybody here willing to admit they paid the price Mr DavidSW asked?

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Its their watch, their price. Its a free market. They charge more for being reputable seller here. But that doesn’t mean we should follow their price. If it sells at their price then good for them. But why would i buy a blnr for 15.6 plus if theres a same watch for 14k to reputable seller as well. There are 100s of online seller here so those you mention are a few sellers to choose from.


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You don’t know the watch condition or if they are reputable. How many time do we have to say on this forum....”You buy the seller”. I don’t think I can go into this topic more than I have already. I have been buying watches a long tome and know a lot of industry folks that have become very good friends. I am confident I know how to buy a watch at a fair market price.

Use your best judgement to make your own purchase.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

You don’t know the watch condition or if they are reputable. How many time do we have to say on this forum....”You buy the seller”.

Isnt that the reason why we have a whos who section here? These seller i showed you will not last in this business if they are selling watches that provide wrong condition of the watch. How come I see great review of those seller from the buyers. Isnt that mean they are very honest to their post and provide accurate information.


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Isnt that the reason why we have a whos who section here? These seller i showed you will not last in this business if they are selling watches that provide wrong condition of the watch. How come I see great review of those seller from the buyers. Isnt that mean they are very honest to their post and provide accurate information.


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I have no idea your watch buying experience or how much you know these sellers. I can tell you I know my sellers very well to not worry I am making a bad or risky purchase.
Roll the dice and find out....
Happy Hollidays.

[Seibei]

Because the jubilee fad is loosing momentum maybe.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I have no idea your watch buying experience or how much you know these sellers. I can tell you I know my sellers very well to not worry I am making a bad or risky purchase.
Roll the dice and find out....

Isnt that the reason why we have a sellers review here? If they are scam they probably banned by now. Theres no rolling of the dice when they sold hundreds of watches here like those seller you mention. All you need is search on whose who and their buyers review their experience from them.
I get why those sellers you mention are charging more its because they are well known some of them have brick and mortar. But that doesn’t mean others cant do the same service to those reputable sellers you mention


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[Maxy]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I am normally accepting of the nicknames, but this “Batgirl” moniker for the BLNR on jubilee is awful.

I hated batgirl when it was suggested and my suggestion was BatLee but it never caught on.

[ReclinerTimer]

Feel like the Daytona and Pepsi will always have a little more "it" factor when it comes to collectors than the Batman. The Batman will always be sought after when compared to an Explorer or Datejust, but the Daytona and Pepsi are just on another level. Just my two cents

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by Maxy

I hated batgirl when it was suggested and my suggestion was BatLee but it never caught on.

I suggested Batty but that never caught on either

[Dlong]

Originally Posted by Dlong

What you ask and what you get are two different things. Anybody here willing to admit they paid the price Mr DavidSW asked?

Bueller?. Bueller?.

[Mystro]

I love this watch..... As soon as the BLRO came out, I mentioned on the forum that day if they do that to the BLNR, I am buying it. It has become my #1 Rolex favorite.

[watchdisplay]

It’s not that special!


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[60sec]

I’ve owned both, BLNR on oyster and now on jubilee. They are both beautiful, but I genuinely prefer the jubilee. Until you’ve seen both in person I don’t think that you can judge. I do think the “batgirl” name is childish. There is not a single other Rolex with a nickname that admonishes it and I can speculate as to the motivation of those use it. As far as popularity/price—who cares! I paid $9,250 for it at my AD and I’m not selling it.


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[PepsiBezel]

With respect to pricing trends —you could find outliers, and you could probably take time and figure out some algorithm that tracks all selling data on web... Or, you could trust, at least for the purposes of a general gauge of the market, that DavidSW is tracking the broader market and is basing his prices on a reasonable expectation of a sale.

Think of DavidSW like the S&P500 — it is a good barometer of the greater market. Sure you could find individual stocks that perform better or worse, but the S&P will always be a benchmark.

[904VT]

Must we with the corny Batman and Batgirl nicknames

[PepsiBezel]

I wonder if the Execs at Pan Am were upset that the watch was branded “Pepsi” after they were the ones who asked for it! All the marketing they lost on to Pepsi!

I don’t get why so many folks here get triggered by the use of “girl” in a colloquial name for a watch.

[watchmework]

Originally Posted by Dlong

Bueller?. Bueller?.

I’ve purchased a couple pieces from David. The reason I chose to go back to him time and time again is because I know what I’m getting with him. There isn’t any funny business and I’m getting a first class service when we do business. While he or many of the trusted sellers on here have pieces for sale above msrp, he’s also very fair when trading in watches. You get what you pay for but with David he’s been in this business for years...you can’t get that same type of track record with a private seller. When you’re paying over 10k on a watch is the risk/reward really worth $1000-1500 to you. To me, the answer is no way.

[sambb]

unsure of why batgirl is a negative term. Seems very gender biased to think that, and more typical of a historical corporate culture. Smurf and esp. hulk would seem more problematic - not even human.

Nevertheless the BLNRs are all beautiful. And it doesnt matter to me what gender they are based on for a nickname. But please dont call them a name like an imaginary miniature blue creature (smurf).

Good luck to those that have any of the BLNRs. So hard to find them!

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by JonaG

BLNR works best on Oyster and people know it.

[Manu74]

Originally Posted by Mystro

I love this watch..... As soon as the BLRO came out, I mentioned on the forum that day if they do that to the BLNR, I am buying it. It has become my #1 Rolex favorite.

Nice pic of the Batgirl!

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by watchmework

I’ve purchased a couple pieces from David. The reason I chose to go back to him time and time again is because I know what I’m getting with him. There isn’t any funny business and I’m getting a first class service when we do business. While he or many of the trusted sellers on here have pieces for sale above msrp, he’s also very fair when trading in watches. You get what you pay for but with David he’s been in this business for years...you can’t get that same type of track record with a private seller. When you’re paying over 10k on a watch is the risk/reward really worth $1000-1500 to you. To me, the answer is no way.

davidsw is the best in the business here but others can also do same service as him. i doubt they will last in this forum if they doing bad things to their costumer. i bought one from david and other sellers here and got the same treatment. davidsw price is high due to brick and mortar store and you pay for his long experience. my only issue is telling(mystro) us that davidsw price is the current trend price for a particular watch is very wrong. its a free market you price as you wish. and others sellers that i mentioned here are not patsy nor a flea market seller like mystro said to timepiecegentlemen. with hundreds of sales and review from buyers here on trf says a lot about them. like i said, they will not last in this online business if they treat their costumer bad. they probably banned by now of they sold a fake watches to their costumer or badly described piece.

[WatchLurv]

Just go to Hong Kong and you can get it for -10% off from DavidSW's price. You buy enough watches and you've saved yourself the planeticket.

It seems like people only rely on the sales side of this forum. I've never seen DavidSW represented at the watchfairs in Hong Kong. That's where you find the top of the industry. Even Watchtrading Co is represented there as they do cross-border business. People need to open up on their views of how and who to buy from when it comes to grey dealers.

[Ihatecheese]

The fad will surely always change from time to time. I wonder what colour bezel will make the internet explode next.

I love that term batgirl. Never heard it prior but will endevour to use in future to anyone i feel might be horrified by associating with femininity. :D