Top 3 myths on TRF

[Fallranger]

I think you’re 90% right. Not too shabby.


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[Yess]

There's waitists... you spend $100k on a ring - you will be on a waitlist for whatever Rolex you want. How are there no waitlists? Doesn't make sense!

[ToyotaMoe]

OP should create his own reality show called “MythBusters....The TRF Edition”

[GMT Freak]

Agree with points 1 and 3 but disagree with 2. Wear and tear is real.

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I thought the top 3 myths were

1- padi is president of the watch winders aficionado club of the world

2- DSW is evil for making money

3- rolex aren’t man jewelry

Oh, that’s good!

[swink6112]

My humble opinion and not busting any myths... wear and take care of your mechanical watch however you see fit. Whether it needs service sooner or later, if you intend to keep the watch you'd still have to pay for the service anyways right?

However the method of taking care of your watch, it shouldn't get in the way of you enjoying the watch to it's fullest potential. It should give you more pleasure than worries. After all it is supposed to serve you and not the other way around. Isn't that the point of having anything in life?

As for the AD. I can't say for other countries but for Thailand there is indeed a "real" waiting list with people's names and date of request on it. I've seen it with my own eyes at my AD. But as for how they "choose" who to call first... I'm pretty sure it's not the "first come first serve" method. My two cents.

[Euge]

Don’t agree with 2
Any mechanical tool, even a watch, will wear with use.....

That’s also why all mechanical tools need service,
some more often than others


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[teck21]

Originally Posted by swink6112

As for the AD. I can't say for other countries but for Thailand there is indeed a "real" waiting list with people's names and date of request on it......I'm pretty sure it's not the "first come first serve" method. My two cents.

Then it’s not a real waiting list is it?


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[Little machines]

Great post!! Thank you !

[swink6112]

Originally Posted by teck21

Then it’s not a real waiting list is it?


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You're right. I should have worded it more carefully. There was a folder with people's name, their phone no. and requested model in it at the AD

[amanbra]

I'd love to know thoughts about point 2. Many people are like watches are meant to be worn etc, so say someone wore their Rolex 24/7 and slept 6 hours a day for 10 years.

Aside from the barrel spring getting a bit of a rest for 6 hours during sleep wouldn't it be the same as what effect the watch winder would have?

PS. I don't use a watchwinder, i let my watches off rotation sleep.

[russ86]

Actually, this just motivated me to take my 1980's and 1990's Pepsi GMT's that I purchased a while ago to take them to service

[jamesbondOO7]

For me the weak link in a Rolex is the crown mechanism. It is very flimsy to operate and I do not enjoy it at all. I use a winder because I tend to put 2 watches in rotation at a time, when I will swap maybe even twice a day. In that case, it makes absolute sense to keep one on a winder.
Then when one is out of the rotation, it goes back to idle state.

[jimcameron]

Maybe yes, maybe no.

[Dirt]

The perfect solution to points 1 and 2.
Don't ever wind or wear the watch and service it at 20 year intervals.
Point 3 has been debunked time and again by myself and others.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

I never take advice from an absolutist, ever, period, full stop.
dP

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Right, a counselor who listens to their own counselling has a fool for their patient.

Ah yes the grey crowd. Grey is safe. No commitment. Just in the middle. Comfortable. So are you two gentlemen absolutely sure there are no absolutes?


I never understood the hate for watch winders on this forum. I have my Patek 5205 on a winder when I’m not using it. No one‘s going to convince me to not use a winder for that. It’s a major pain in the butt and time-consuming ordeal to set that watch. The rest of my collection I don’t mind setting because they take less than a minute.

OP I know for a fact that a couple of my AD’s have lists. So there goes your theory about that one. Sorry. Obviously if I know of some places that do it there must be others as well.

[Becweb]

Aha

[brandrea]

The stupidest myth on TRF is that there's always snow in Canada before Christmas ...



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[samson66]

A winder is a convenience. Nothing more, nothing less. I use one when I know I won't be wearing a watch for a few days straight and don't want to have to set the time and wind the movement when I put it back on. Winders are particularly useful on watches with multiple complications. My Omega has the time, the date, and the phase of the moon. Much easier to leave on a winder than having to manually wind and set everything.

[Luke@TRF]

what has people become in this lockdown, or is it just too much wfh

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Ah yes the grey crowd. Grey is safe. No commitment. Just in the middle. Comfortable. So are you two gentlemen absolutely sure there are no absolutes?


I never understood the hate for watch winders on this forum. I have my Patek 5205 on a winder when I’m not using it. No one‘s going to convince me to not use a winder for that. It’s a major pain in the butt and time-consuming ordeal to set that watch. The rest of my collection I don’t mind setting because they take less than a minute.

OP I know for a fact that a couple of my AD’s have lists. So there goes your theory about that one. Sorry. Obviously if I know of some places that do it there must be others as well.

Well, for my comment, it's called sarcasm.
dP

[Brny11]

1 is not something most believe though some ask time to time
2 is common Knowledge as well. It is also asked here and there though most responses would contradict your indication of a myth
3 has about 100k threads per year lol. Yes there are waitlists. I am on one and my AD gets me watches. At other larger market ADs there are no lists, just preferential sales.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by ThatSubGuy

1. If a watch isn't worn for 10 years, you don't need to service it. (Buying NOS, or keeping a watch in a safe).

Wrong.

A mechanical watch needs oils/lubricant for all moving parts. This ensures they run friction free and don't cause any wear when metal grinds against metal. Even if lubricants/oils aren't being used, they still dry out. Depending on the oil used this would typically be anywhere between 3-8 years.

Getting the watch serviced includes re-lubricating all moving parts inside.

Will the watch still work if you don't service it? Sure, it could possibly run for another 10+ years or more. Is it advisable? No. It would just lead to higher service cost for needing to replace more internal parts due to increased wear. Other things like accuracy and power reserve also becomes questionable. Not to mention the waterproof rating if seals have dried up.

Just because "RandomGuy" online says it's not necessary and his watch still runs fine after 20 years, doesn't mean he is right and that you also don't need to.

2. Leaving your watch in a winder will cause excessive wear to the movement.

Wrong.

Of course not. Your watch is made to be worn, not just "sometimes" but ALL the time. They have been on the wrists of marines in battle, been through mud, in firefights, through swamps, ran thousands of miles, climbed mount everest and whatever else you could think of.

Unless your watchwinder vibrates more than a Sybian or spins at 10,000 RPM it will NOT cause more wear than wearing it on your wrist, as it was intended. In all likelihood it will probably cause less wear because it doesn't have to endure even wilder motions your arm makes throughout the day, or random bumps when you slam your arm against the wall/door.

If you are servicing your watch following the recommended schedule, there's no danger in having your watch on a winder 24/7.

It can only be "bad" for the movement if the watch has gone past its service schedule. (Back to myth #1)

3. Waitlists

There is no such thing as a waitlist as that would imply if you wait long enough it will eventually become your turn.

If the AD doesn't think giving you a 'hot model' would direct further business to their store, you most likely won't get one. You could still be "lucky", but how things are looking right now it's going to be hard to buy a desired piece and without purchase history the SA must have a strong impression that you're a future spender.

What's better than selling to a customer? Having that same customer return for more.

If you're in the market for a one and only "dream watch" which happens to be the SS Daytona, go buy it at a premium from a grey-market dealer. No AD will sell you one, regardless of how long you 'wait'. Unless you during this waiting time regularly go and buy other expensive items from his store.

The AD is much better off giving any incoming pieces to clients that have purchased big ticket items from their store and who will continue to do so out. He doesn't need to sell it to "Joe" that randomly comes in from the street. For him (if he is lucky) there's a 36mm Datejust MOP with a Diamond Bezel in the window.

If you've gotten a 'hot model' without any purchase history, then either:

* The AD must think you could be a good future customer.
* The model is actually not as hot as you think it is. They've simply run out of 'good' customers and now they're picking randomly from the bottom feeders list.
* You've been extremely lucky and the SA was in a good mood.

Enjoy your Tuesday guys.

1) but I am not confident the run of the mill watchmaker would Identify a worn part (broken sure but worn?)... likely would just lubricate movement, seal it up and give it back to you.
i.e. no additional expense would be incurred.

2) wear and tear if on winder for prolonged periods vs pooling/drying of oils if sitting for prolonged periods.

3) with Rolex I agree. Other brands have proven otherwise.

[Leicaman]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Shhhh! That is supposed to be a secret!

Just did a search on TRF for ultramarathon after reading that you are an Ultra runner. Just read your 47km “failure” thread. Did you sort out your problem with overpronating btw?

I’ve done a few marathons and ultra marathons but I seem to be hit with bad luck recently. Last year I was due to run the Nobeyama 100km. I trained for 6 months then on the Wednesday before the Sunday race, I ran into the living room, accidentally kicked the door frame and broke a bone in my toe. I tried a 5km “tester” run on the Friday to see if I could run but was in pain all the way so I didn’t start the race.
Fast forward to this year and a week before I was due to run the Tokyo marathon, the organisers cancelled it due to COVID. I’d been applying for the last 6 years and finally got a place. Was in the best condition I’ve ever been in too. At least I have a place in the 2022 Tokyo marathon.

All the best, and keep on running.

[TopDog2315]

Interesting, would need some sort of references in order to back these claims no?

[subtona]

Originally Posted by brandrea

The stupidest myth on TRF is that there's always snow in Canada before Christmas ...

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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by subtona

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[RDT-G23]

Agree with #1 and #3.

[NachoNeal]

Even if it's true that a watch winder causes more 'wear and tear' why would I care?
I can just repair or service if and when required.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by NachoNeal

Even if it's true that a watch winder causes more 'wear and tear' why would I care?
I can just repair or service if and when required.

There's a member running around here whose Rolex masterpiece has been on a wolf winder for 20 years and was still running in spec. He serviced it anyway. This is a counterexample that disproves the excessive wear theory as all Rolex movements are mass produced and essentially identical.

Just be sure to set it 600-700 tpd. That's far less turns than when you wear it and will keep it running.

Most people get the idea it's attached to a continuously running pistol drill which is not the case for $250 winders. It spends most of the day resting.