Vacheron Contantin- Undervalued

[eliaalsayegh]

Originally Posted by Saintos

How do you know that?

I have Relationship with many boutiques

[Saintos]

Originally Posted by eliaalsayegh

I have Relationship with many boutiques

Do you know what happens for us who already have paid deposition and wait for the watch?

[tufa]

Originally Posted by Saintos

Do you know what happens for us who already have paid deposition and wait for the watch?

they honour the original price at the time of the deposit was placed (I checked with them)

[eliaalsayegh]

Originally Posted by Saintos

Do you know what happens for us who already have paid deposition and wait for the watch?

Really idk for who pay deposit!

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by Saintos

Do you know what happens for us who already have paid deposition and wait for the watch?

At my AD, customer will have to pay for the new price or get the deposit back.

[NYG1121]

In this crazy market, there is no telling where this will go. Nautilus and RO jumbo are at 100k. Can this be at least worth half that? Seems likely to me.

[Jonah10]

People don’t actually like them. If I have to convince myself to buy it then I shouldn’t really be buying it.


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[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by Jonah10

People don’t actually like them. If I have to convince myself to buy it then I shouldn’t really be buying it.


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I think quite the opposite actually. People have always ignored it but now are realizing how under appreciated it was and how much more it offers with different straps, unique blue dial etc.

[Houston77]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

I think quite the opposite actually. People have always ignored it but now are realizing how under appreciated it was and how much more it offers with different straps, unique blue dial etc.

Exactly. That post didn’t make much sense. All things being equal, I’d have to “convince” myself to buy a Nautilus over an Overseas because the OS is much better looking (IMO), is more versatile with the straps, etc.

[Jonah10]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

I think quite the opposite actually. People have always ignored it but now are realizing how under appreciated it was and how much more it offers with different straps, unique blue dial etc.

If people liked it so much it would have sales all along, it wouldn’t need anyone to realize anything. The only reason it’s getting traction now is because people can’t get what they want so they are looking elsewhere.


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Jonah10

If people liked it so much it would have sales all along, it wouldn’t need anyone to realize anything. The only reason it’s getting traction now is because people can’t get what they want so they are looking elsewhere.


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Is that how the lowly Daytona got popular? People couldn't get subs or ?

Also, it's not like VC advertises at the airport on 40 ft billboards. Sometimes research is required to discover things. I'd never even heard of them and was blown away when I went to see them in person.

[Jonah10]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Is that how the lowly Daytona got popular? People couldn't get subs or ?

Also, it's not like VC advertises at the airport on 40 ft billboards. Sometimes research is required to discover things. I'd never even heard of them and was blown away when I went to see them in person.

I been in and out of their boutique a few times every year in Toronto, obviously their quality is amazing but never felt the urge to buy anything. My personal opinion is the reason they are getting traction now is because how hard it is to get Patek & Rolex from AD’s so people are looking elsewhere


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[JCC296]

Originally Posted by Jonah10

People don’t actually like them.

Originally Posted by Jonah10

Vacheron has new pieces sold at a discount from the AD with a bag full of goodies to the buyer while Rolex, Patek, and AP have years worth of waiting lines and selling for insane prices on the grey market. There have been tons posts of people tired of waiting on an AD and choosing to go and buy something else.


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May I ask how long you have been collecting watches? In 2017, 15202st could still be bought with discount at authorized dealer, while 5711 was already getting hard to get and trading over retail. Are you implying 15202st were attracting buyers who bought them for tired of waiting for 5711? Up until 2018, 15400 and 15450 could still be had with 10-15% discount too. Based on your analysis of discounted watches means people don't actually like them but they buy them only because they are easier to come by, you really believe 15202/15400/15450 owners don't love their APs?

What about when Panerai was super hot and watches were trading double/triple of retail prices and Patek Nautilus could be had with discount instead? Please don't tell me you really think 5711/5712/5980 were attracting Panerai buyers who got tired of waiting and decided to just buy a 5711/5712/5980 and call it a day!

[Jonah10]

Originally Posted by JCC296

May I ask how long you have been collecting watches? In 2017, 15202st could still be bought with discount at authorized dealer, while 5711 was already getting hard to get and trading over retail. Are you implying 15202st were attracting buyers who bought them for tired of waiting for 5711? Up until 2018, 15400 and 15450 could still be had with 10-15% discount too. Based on your analysis of discounted watches means people don't actually like them but they buy them only because they are easier to come by, you really believe 15202/15400/15450 owners don't love their APs?

What about when Panerai was super hot and watches were trading double/triple of retail prices and Patek Nautilus could be had with discount instead? Please don't tell me you really think 5711/5712/5980 were attracting Panerai buyers who got tired of waiting and decided to just buy a 5711/5712/5980 and call it a day!

I’m talking about the current market not what happened years ago and not about who bought years ago.

A lot of buyers got tired of waiting and got out priced of the 5711 and went elsewhere. Same goes for a lot of the models in the AP line up.

Others were also not willing to spend close to $40k on a Daytona for example as it’s a $13k msrp watch.

It’s not too long ago people were getting VC at a discount from the AD. Until it got more attention because buyers came from other brands they couldn’t get watches from among others who just discovered the brand.

This isn’t me saying VC doesn’t make quality watches or doesn’t deserve to be mentioned with the other brands, it’s simply talking about current market and what I see going on. Obviously they make watches with amazing quality. I see a few VC owners in here losing their cool because I said something they didn’t like about their watches. At the end of the day buy whatever you like and enjoy it, doesn’t matter what I think!


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[uniqueMR]

Vacheron has joined Audemars, Patek and Rolex :)

[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

Vacheron has joined Audemars, Patek and Rolex :)

The return of the trinity? (minus rolex)

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

The return of the trinity? (minus rolex)

Trinity wins :)
AP + PP + VC

[NYG1121]

Confirmed with boutique. People with deposits will pay new price whenever it comes in. And deliveries are “significantly delayed”

[Houston77]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Confirmed with boutique. People with deposits will pay new price whenever it comes in. And deliveries are “significantly delayed”

I frankly don’t care much about the price increase, but your last sentence scares the crud out of me! Haha

[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by Houston77

I frankly don’t care much about the price increase, but your last sentence scares the crud out of me! Haha

Right! I started with a 4 mo estimate 4 months ago when I paid deposit. Now it is in question whether it will even be this year…

[Houston77]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Right! I started with a 4 mo estimate 4 months ago when I paid deposit. Now it is in question whether it will even be this year…

My receipt does contain a “promised” date. No idea if that means anything, haha.

[Saintos]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Confirmed with boutique. People with deposits will pay new price whenever it comes in. And deliveries are “significantly delayed”

Originally Posted by tufa

they honour the original price at the time of the deposit was placed (I checked with them)

Interesting to read what you say. Both have checked and both with different answers.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Saintos

Interesting to read what you say. Both have checked and both with different answers.

It's up to the dealer. Watches of Switzerland specifically told me I would bear any increase post deposit. Same with Richemont NA if I made a Lange deposit. Eating 3% isn't such a big deal anyway if you're about to spend $20,900 to $30,100 on a steel overseas watch. I'd still be happy.

[Saintos]

Originally Posted by EEpro

It's up to the dealer. Watches of Switzerland specifically told me I would bear any increase post deposit. Same with Richemont NA if I made a Lange deposit. Eating 3% isn't such a big deal anyway if you're about to spend $20,900 to $30,100 on a steel overseas watch. I'd still be happy.

I just find it interesting if they will add or not. Like you said it’s small money in the picture.

[tufa]

Originally Posted by Saintos

Interesting to read what you say. Both have checked and both with different answers.

I think different rules on the two continent. In the UK/EU, they can't change prices after paid the deposit

[donald83]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Confirmed with boutique. People with deposits will pay new price whenever it comes in. And deliveries are “significantly delayed”

That is not true. I placed deposit with boutique 2 days ago and they told me they will honour the current price.

[Toproll85]

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Confirmed with boutique. People with deposits will pay new price whenever it comes in. And deliveries are “significantly delayed”

This is incorrect.
The price is the one noted on the pro-format invoice that we receive when we pay the 50% deposit. It can't go up (or down, but it never happened).
I had the seller's response from a VC boutique (Geneva) and official, written confirmation.

If the representative abroad says the opposite, and wants to charge his customers an additional amount, it should be reported to the Swiss manufacturer.

[Nikrnic]

I can't believe it's been 16 mos since I bought my Overseas. I still love and wear and love all of my watches, Rolex, Omega, Tudor and Seiko but the VC seems to get better and better.

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[Jonah10]

[mention]Toproll85 [/mention]

I understand that what’s hot today wasn’t before. And that in your specific case you maybe purchasing VC because it’s what you want regardless if you have the others in your collection or not.

But that does not change the fact that a number of buyers did go that route today because they couldn’t get what they wanted somewhere else. Search and you’ll find threads of people who did this.

I didn’t say VC was bad or isn’t making quality watches. I’m not in here to bash them or say Rolex is better. I’m simpler talking about the market, what’s happening in it today, and how many frustrated buyers have chosen to go elsewhere whether it’s VC or something else.

And there is no need to call me or anyone conceited or anything else for that matter. You don’t know me, we can have a respectful argument or not have one at all.


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[Toproll85]

Originally Posted by Jonah10

[mention]Toproll85 [/mention]
But that does not change the fact that a number of buyers did go that route today because they couldn’t get what they wanted somewhere else. Search and you’ll find threads of people who did this.

I didn’t say VC was bad or isn’t making quality watches. I’m not in here to bash them or say Rolex is better. I’m simpler talking about the market, what’s happening in it today, and how many frustrated buyers have chosen to go elsewhere whether it’s VC or something else.

Of course there are posts in this direction. Of course there are a few guys who are like "shit, I can neither have a Nautilus nor an RO, let's go I buy myself the last sports watch with integrated bracelet available expensive, more or less available, out of spite". Of course people just covet what other people covet for some kind of recognition or some stupid reason. The strength of a brand, marketing, is very powerful.

You come to "denigrate" the rising value of the 4500v model of Vacheron Constantin, and others by repercussion which will benefit in image, rating and popularity. What is the point ?
If it's because people can't have anything else, and realize that it's just as well to see better, that's pretty good, isn't it?

Do you think VC owes its success to that?
It is a house soon to be three hundred years old, do you think that if it would not be in good shape and loved it would have long since disappeared?

After that ? Rolex didn't interest anyone, they were affordable tool watches at the time. Today is something else and so much the better. Nautilus, RO, until 2016 you came back to the store and you had one without a problem. Today the market is as it is.
If now is VC's turn, where would the problem be?

If you could answer the question, it would help to see where the problem (yours) is in all of this...