Should Rolex be in the “Holy Trinity”

[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by Maxy

VC should not be part of trinity. It's not even that big in North America.

Oh, well then, if it’s ‘not even that big in North America’, it ain’t worth nothin’

[sgwatchguy]

There is no “trinity”

[Golfbone]

The term "Holy trinity" means nothing as far as I'm concerned. It's a myth....an age old fantasy that has no basis in reality or science....totally based on faith.

Oh wait.....we are talking about watches?

Same thing anyway.

[Benzsiam]

I am glad that Rolex is not in holy trinity otherwise the price will be double.

[willywatch]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Don't kid yourself, all 3 so called holy trinity are massed produced, they are not bespoke items.

Amazing the amount of people here who think their watches are
hand made.They would need to employ thousands of watchmakers,
if this was true.People never learn,they just accept the advertising
rubbish put out by the so called big three.

[David001]

It's marketing and hype, like "haute horology" and other such terms.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by David001

It's marketing and hype, like "haute horology" and other such terms.

For sure, when I look at the back of my Lange I'm like "that's hype!"

[Plant]

No and Rolex themselves clearly dont want to be part of it. They dont use exhibition casebacks and dont focus on complications. They also produce far more watches annually.

[fsprow]

Originally Posted by willywatch

Amazing the amount of people here who think their watches are
hand made.They would need to employ thousands of watchmakers,
if this was true.People never learn,they just accept the advertising
rubbish put out by the so called big three.

Just visit the workrooms in say, Audemars Piguet or Patek Philippe in Switzerland. While some premachining is done, the amount of handwork and the time taken is astonishing - especially on the highly complicated watches.

[mykii]

Breguet and maybe ALS or JLC are the only ones who could rightly be up for debate.

A Rolex is an amazing do it all watch, but it does not compete with the type of finishing you get on an AP case nor are the manufacturing as interesting as the pantographs used for the dial. It doesn't have the prestige of Patek, and it doesn't offer any of the grand complications of AP, PP, or VC.

So no, it should never be uttered in the same sentence as AP, PP, VC.

[szabo_martin]

Bear in mind who is still privately owned vs owned by Richmont or Swatch

[Watchflair]

Unfortunately not - yes a great watch and a great company but lacks the refinement and finishing of the other brands.

ALS and Breguet would get my vote in!


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[Brian Page]

Not a chance

[David001]

Originally Posted by EEpro

For sure, when I look at the back of my Lange I'm like "that's hype!"

When you look at your German watch the first thought in your mind is a recently made up French marketing term?

I'm guessing you're new to collecting watches.

[karteo]

Rolex couldn't care less about that.

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[WalterE]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Oh, well then, if it’s ‘not even that big in North America’, it ain’t worth nothin’

+1

[WalterE]

Originally Posted by EEpro

For sure, when I look at the back of my Lange I'm like "that's hype!"

+1

I'm partial to JLC. Enjoying how it is trying to open up by the base to attract new customers to the brand through watches like the Polaris line. Wanting so hard for it to succeed!

[Mystro]

It’s a arbitrary term that really means nothing than a exclusionary marketing tool to give elitist overtones to sell some brands of watches. A certain demographic just eats up this kind of marketing.

Sadly, marketing and peer perception has become more important than the actual watch itself fueling a “flex your wallet” war around a few chosen models to play the game with.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by David001

When you look at your German watch the first thought in your mind is a recently made up French marketing term?

I'm guessing you're new to collecting watches.

All languages spill over into other languages. Neither the Swiss nor French own the phrase "high horology"... it's just a fancy way to say it and I think we all know that even though you're trying to be clever. Hype is not a French word FYI.

[Seddyspaghetti]

No, rolex doesn't need to be in any holy trinity.

[willywatch]

Originally Posted by fsprow

Just visit the workrooms in say, Audemars Piguet or Patek Philippe in Switzerland. While some premachining is done, the amount of handwork and the time taken is astonishing - especially on the highly complicated watches.

Yes and only on the special models,as i said before.The run of the mill watches
are mass produced just like Rolex.And they use chemical polishing,not hand
polishing like Lange do on every model they make.
If you look at the amount of watches produced by the so
called Holy Trinity,it is so easy to see that they are not handmade.And
some of the best independent watchmakers in the world have said this.
They would need to employ thousands more people if
their watches were all hand polished and put together by hand.
The numbers are available,for anyone to work out.

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by willywatch

Yes and only on the special models,as i said before.The run of the mill watches
are mass produced just like Rolex.And they use chemical polishing,not hand
polishing like Lange do on every model they make.
If you look at the amount of watches produced by the so
called Holy Trinity,it is so easy to see that they are not handmade.And
some of the best independent watchmakers in the world have said this.
They would need to employ thousands more people if
their watches were all hand polished and put together by hand.
The numbers are available,for anyone to work out.

Well said.

It’s amusing/confounding when some of those defending this so called trinity turn around and slam small independents that employ machine assisted methods.

[willywatch]

Originally Posted by sgwatchguy

Well said.

It’s amusing/confounding when some of those defending this so called trinity turn around and slam small independents that employ machine assisted methods.

It does not shock me,i see people who have been collecting watches
for years,refusing to see the truth.Its like a collective mass hysteria,and
brands like Patek do their best to keep the myth alive.And judging by
many of the posts by people who really believe they are getting hand
made products,it seems to work.

[CKizzy]

Richard Mille is 1. 2 & 3!

[Spectral_Method]

Not really, it's like trying to put an E class Mercedes in the same class as a Ferrari.

[David001]

Originally Posted by EEpro

All languages spill over into other languages. Neither the Swiss nor French own the phrase "high horology"... it's just a fancy way to say it and I think we all know that even though you're trying to be clever. Hype is not a French word FYI.

You can use whatever terms you want, in whatever languages you choose, when you're looking at the back of your German made watch, but if it's ok with you I'll maintain my opinion that terms like haute horology and the trinity are little more than marketing hype

ALS are made in Germany, have you considered hoch horology?

[thefollandgnat]

Originally Posted by Spectral_Method

Not really, it's like trying to put an E class Mercedes in the same class as a Ferrari.

I know whom I would trust to reliably hand their homework in on time.

[TradingLoss]

Never.

<AP | PP | VC>

[rambo99]

should I only buy watches from the holy trinity brands?

[Yaz]

Originally Posted by Vincent65

Oh, well then, if it’s ‘not even that big in North America’, it ain’t worth nothin’

Ahahahahahah
100% d’accord avec toi !


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