Does a Tudor deserve space on a Rolex forum?

[Roddypeepa]

Originally Posted by Das

In all honesty I've had enough of the snobby BS. And I have more Rolex than Tudor watches. It's about how long waiting lists are and if it's not in demand it's not a good watch. There are not many collectors here...it's all flexing crap now and what gifts to buy a shop assistant who accidentally ended up selling watches for a living.

I'd love a Tudor only forum. It would be exactly like what the Rolex forum used to be like years ago, when they were tool watches not 'investments', and nobody showed off that they got one within 6 months of brown nosing a shop assistant.

All fair tbh. It’s becoming more than a bit tedious.

“Incoming: please verify my worth as a human through what watches I can buy”


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[Deepseadog]

"what gifts to buy a shop assistant who accidentally ended up selling watches for a living"

[JohnGingerwood]

Originally Posted by Das

In all honesty I've had enough of the snobby BS. And I have more Rolex than Tudor watches. It's about how long waiting lists are and if it's not in demand it's not a good watch. There are not many collectors here...it's all flexing crap now and what gifts to buy a shop assistant who accidentally ended up selling watches for a living.

I'd love a Tudor only forum. It would be exactly like what the Rolex forum used to be like years ago, when they were tool watches not 'investments', and nobody showed off that they got one within 6 months of brown nosing a shop assistant.

That’s well said.

[Rebel]

[watchmavan]

Years ago I used to think Tudor should be separate. These days I appreciate the link. Once you take all the pig-headedness aside and hate from some, they are a very tightly linked set of Watchmakers. Neither owned by the other but both by HWF.

Regardless of people thoughts, Tudor changed back from the Rose logo to the shield to emphasise the Tudor watch action of metaphorically being the Rolex shield. To protect it from other watch companies. It does this better now that it is not a look alike but by standing on its own.

I also enjoy reading the brainless comments from both groups claiming superiority. They tell me nothing about the watches of course.

Like many, I also own both brands. There is far more in common than not. Keep them together.


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[JDsnewwatch]

It's well known that Rolex doesn't make the movements in Tudor anymore. They did in the past, but now ETA does. I'm not throwing shade on the brand by any means.

You often see VW posts on Audi forums, but you never see Audi posts on VW forums.

My daily watch is an Omega Speedmaster pro. Its also well known that Swatch brand owns Omega. You NEVER see people posting Swatch questions on the Omega forums.

Either way. I guess this makes our community unique.

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

It's well known that Rolex doesn't make the movements in Tudor anymore. They did in the past, but now ETA does. I'm not throwing shade on the brand by any means.

You often see VW posts on Audi forums, but you never see Audi posts on VW forums.

My daily watch is an Omega Speedmaster pro. Its also well known that Swatch brand owns Omega. You NEVER see people posting Swatch questions on the Omega forums.

Either way. I guess this makes our community unique.

Seems perhaps you have it backwards and somewhat wrong.

To the best of my knowledge Rolex never made Tudor movements. Tudor used virtually all Rolex parts making now Vintage Tudor Subs but used ETA movements to keep costs low.

Tudor now uses, in many models, their own in house manufactured movements, which I guess one could say are technically made by Rolex.

Tudor went to in house movements when squeezed to do so by the Swatch Group.

Wikipedia “

Movements used in Tudor classic watches are manufactured by the Swiss companies ETA or Valjoux.[26] In 2015, Tudor launched its first in-house movement for its Pelagos and North Flag watches. In 2017, Tudor then entered into a cooperative agreement with Breitling, providing the MT5612 movement from the Tudor Pelagos for Breitling's Superocean Heritage watch, while in return Breitling produces the Tudor Calibre MT5813 movement for use in the new Tudor Heritage Chronograph, based on the Breitling B01.[27][28][29]

Tudor also produces variants of their 2015 "Manufacture Calibre". The MT 5601 was developed specifically for the Black Bay Bronze model, and is slightly larger in diameter and displaying hours, minutes and seconds functions. The MT5602 was developed for the Black Bay and the Black Bay Dark models, and displays hours, minutes and seconds.

On May 25, 2021 Tudor announced their Manufacture Calibre MT5602-1U alongside their new Black Bay Ceramic timepiece. The movement is almost entirely black, with a black tungsten rotor, a 70 hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring. It is also the company's first METAS-certified master chromometer timepiece, able to function within a tolerance range of +/- 5 seconds per day.[30]

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

It's well known that Rolex doesn't make the movements in Tudor anymore. They did in the past, but now ETA does. I'm not throwing shade on the brand by any means.

You often see VW posts on Audi forums, but you never see Audi posts on VW forums.

My daily watch is an Omega Speedmaster pro. Its also well known that Swatch brand owns Omega. You NEVER see people posting Swatch questions on the Omega forums.

Either way. I guess this makes our community unique.

You are incorrect, sir.

Originally Posted by cornerstore

Seems perhaps you have it backwards and somewhat wrong.

To the best of my knowledge Rolex never made Tudor movements. Tudor used virtually all Rolex parts making now Vintage Tudor Subs but used ETA movements to keep costs low.

Tudor now uses, in many models, their own in house manufactured movements, which I guess one could say are technically made by Rolex.

Tudor went to in house movements when squeezed to do so by the Swatch Group.

Wikipedia “

Movements used in Tudor classic watches are manufactured by the Swiss companies ETA or Valjoux.[26] In 2015, Tudor launched its first in-house movement for its Pelagos and North Flag watches. In 2017, Tudor then entered into a cooperative agreement with Breitling, providing the MT5612 movement from the Tudor Pelagos for Breitling's Superocean Heritage watch, while in return Breitling produces the Tudor Calibre MT5813 movement for use in the new Tudor Heritage Chronograph, based on the Breitling B01.[27][28][29]

Tudor also produces variants of their 2015 "Manufacture Calibre". The MT 5601 was developed specifically for the Black Bay Bronze model, and is slightly larger in diameter and displaying hours, minutes and seconds functions. The MT5602 was developed for the Black Bay and the Black Bay Dark models, and displays hours, minutes and seconds.

On May 25, 2021 Tudor announced their Manufacture Calibre MT5602-1U alongside their new Black Bay Ceramic timepiece. The movement is almost entirely black, with a black tungsten rotor, a 70 hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring. It is also the company's first METAS-certified master chromometer timepiece, able to function within a tolerance range of +/- 5 seconds per day.[30]

You are correct, sir.
dP

[JDsnewwatch]

Wow, don't I feel silly, TWO whole months of not using eta movements. BURN on me.

time to lighten up guys.

Originally Posted by cornerstore

Seems perhaps you have it backwards and somewhat wrong.

To the best of my knowledge Rolex never made Tudor movements. Tudor used virtually all Rolex parts making now Vintage Tudor Subs but used ETA movements to keep costs low.

Tudor now uses, in many models, their own in house manufactured movements, which I guess one could say are technically made by Rolex.

Tudor went to in house movements when squeezed to do so by the Swatch Group.

Wikipedia “

Movements used in Tudor classic watches are manufactured by the Swiss companies ETA or Valjoux.[26] In 2015, Tudor launched its first in-house movement for its Pelagos and North Flag watches. In 2017, Tudor then entered into a cooperative agreement with Breitling, providing the MT5612 movement from the Tudor Pelagos for Breitling's Superocean Heritage watch, while in return Breitling produces the Tudor Calibre MT5813 movement for use in the new Tudor Heritage Chronograph, based on the Breitling B01.[27][28][29]

Tudor also produces variants of their 2015 "Manufacture Calibre". The MT 5601 was developed specifically for the Black Bay Bronze model, and is slightly larger in diameter and displaying hours, minutes and seconds functions. The MT5602 was developed for the Black Bay and the Black Bay Dark models, and displays hours, minutes and seconds.

On May 25, 2021 Tudor announced their Manufacture Calibre MT5602-1U alongside their new Black Bay Ceramic timepiece. The movement is almost entirely black, with a black tungsten rotor, a 70 hour power reserve, and a silicon hairspring. It is also the company's first METAS-certified master chromometer timepiece, able to function within a tolerance range of +/- 5 seconds per day.[30]

[Craigdwh]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

Wow, don't I feel silly, TWO whole months of not using eta movements. BURN on me.

time to lighten up guys.

You really have no idea what you're talking about lol.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

Wow, don't I feel silly, TWO whole months of not using eta movements. BURN on me.

time to lighten up guys.

Sorry pal, you got that wrong too. Facts are stubborn.
dP

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by JDsnewwatch

It's well known that Rolex doesn't make the movements in Tudor anymore. They did in the past, but now ETA does. I'm not throwing shade on the brand by any means.

You often see VW posts on Audi forums, but you never see Audi posts on VW forums.

My daily watch is an Omega Speedmaster pro. Its also well known that Swatch brand owns Omega. You NEVER see people posting Swatch questions on the Omega forums.

Either way. I guess this makes our community unique.

Firstly, Rolex NEVER made Tudor calibres. They didn't even make their own as they contracted these exclusively from Aegler. Secondly, Swatch and Omega are not alike at all and have a completely different history. It's this history that links Rolex and Tudor.


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[subprimero]

Personally I like it the way it is. I probably would have never known about the Navy issue Tudors had Tudor not been in the main forum. The 925 and the Heritage Chrono are also tempting.

[HORNBLOWER]

Most days I prefer to wear Tudor over Rolex. Just sayin....

[Oyster Perp]

Im old enough to remember Tissot being part of Omega and Heuer before TAG !!
Tudor is fine here.

[WhiskeyNovember]

Tudor is becoming more and more interesting and slowly filling the ‘old’ space occupied by Rolex. Some really interesting pieces released this year too. The BB58 925 in Silver is out of the box thinking, looks stunning and really works well.

[watchmavan]

BTW

It's not the "Rolex" forum that Tudor is crashing. It's named as both brands, not the Rolex forum that we let Tudor crash.


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[LazySumday]

I don’t think the Op meant anything wrong with the original post. After all, this is a Rolex forum where the minimum price for admission is very expensive to be in this “club”. Rolex is about exclusivity whether one likes it or not and I think everyone on this forum that is a member understands this.

Personally, I like the old school Tudors and don’t mind any posts from Tudor fans and think the history is cool. I also like that people posts other watches from time to time like SKX Seikos, Omegas, etc.


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[minute_man]

Originally Posted by LazySumday

I don’t think the Op meant anything wrong with the original post. After all, this is a Rolex forum where the minimum price for admission is very expensive to be in this “club”. Rolex is about exclusivity whether one likes it or not and I think everyone on this forum that is a member understands this.

Personally, I like the old school Tudors and don’t mind any posts from Tudor fans and think the history is cool. I also like that people posts other watches from time to time like SKX Seikos, Omegas, etc.


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I respectfully disagree with your first part.
OP does come across as a snob in the way that he expresses himself, at least initially.

Now, there's nothing "exclusive" about owning a mass produced watch. There's no such "club" that commands an admission price; one either has or doesn't have the means to own a Rolex. And owning one doesn't make a person any better or worse.

Tudor is a part of Rolex, one that I wasn't even aware of until I began to frequent these forums and further educated myself on the history of the brand. And I'm glad I did.

[Richard Carver]

After reading through the responses its become evident a new forum is required at TRF. I think the dapper gentlemen who feel a bit uncomfortable being forced to associate with Tudor should have their own forum! Rolex only and nothing older than 2015 allowed! It would be called the D forum (for Dapper!) and the forum logo would be a capital D emblazoned on a stylish Abercrombie & Fitch bag! This would put owners of lesser timepieces on notice that silence is as golden as a diamond encrusted 45 mm Day Date! Members of the D forum could self select or perhaps be nominated by less fortunate members.

Please, no accolades, happy to help in these parlous times!

[Frank McKay]

Tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing Tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

[turkeysub93]

Originally Posted by Frank McKay

Tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing Tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

This. There are so many differences between modern day Tudor and modern day Rolex.

[Sgooter]

Originally Posted by frank mckay

tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

+1

[IAN1]

Originally Posted by Frank McKay

Tudor fans deserve their own sub forum. Make it happen mods. Tudor has graduated, no need to continue living in their parents house. I personally grow tired of seeing Tudor posts as they don’t interest me in the least bit.

I agree

[JDsnewwatch]

++ Same!

Originally Posted by IAN1

I agree

[Tricolore66]

Rolex used to outsource quite a few of their components and it wasn’t until fairly recently, relative to the history of the brand, that they’ve been making their bracelets in-house.

I hate to throw historical facts into this Rolex v. Tudor argument perpetuated by the members of this forum that actually know very little about watches and history other than the pretty pictures on their Instagram feed, how much they cost, and how long the waiting list is.

[Pinchy]

I like seeing the tudor threads here. There's a lot of overlap in terms of history, interest and ownership (of the watches and company), it's the right tip of the hat all three commonalities.

I would disagree that this is the same as saying omega and hamilton or tissot in the same forum is similarly appropriate. The only thing they share is corporate ownership, there's little substance in that.