Why are all the TRF ladies keeping such a LOW profile?

[Taffi Abernathy]

Originally Posted by diablojota

Nope. You're not frank, but I am.

Not funny. Obviously, people are deeply stressed and although with some unpleasant situations, it is smart to highjack the thread, putting a bandaid won't work this time. It just doesn't feel right.

[Prince]

Originally Posted by diablojota

Nope. You're not frank, but I am.

LOL

[Lisa]

The tone and personality of a forum is dictated by the forum leadership -- ultimately by the person in charge. I've had issues in the past with speaking up about matters that bothered me - and I was given infraction points for "unfriendly behavior" and told it was not my place to force my values on others.

After that, I promised myself that if I continued to feel uncomfortable with speaking my mind then this was not the place for me.

Never say never? This is one time when I will.

[mcjp6]

Originally Posted by Lisa

The tone and personality of a forum is dictated by the forum leadership -- ultimately by the person in charge. I've had issues in the past with speaking up about matters that bothered me - and I was given infraction points for "unfriendly behavior" and told it was not my place to force my values on others.

After that, I promised myself that if I continued to feel uncomfortable with speaking my mind then this was not the place for me.

Never say never? This is one time when I will.

It really is a shame to read that, Lisa, and IMO a shame that the tone of some threads/post have been such that other ladies have also chosen to leave. I don't often post in this part of the forum but frequently do read here. I will miss yours and the others posting and the humour that they bring.

It would be good to see a resolution to this situation.

[rsg]

By reading this very thread I can see how most women would be made to feel uncomfortable. Humor has it's place, but obviously there are some members who aren't comfortable with the discussion of circle jerks, male unit size, etc.
Why should these members be made any more uncomfortable than folks who don't want to talk about guns?

[jdc]

Originally Posted by rsg

By reading this very thread I can see how most women would be made to feel uncomfortable. Humor has it's place, but obviously there are some members who aren't comfortable with the discussion of circle jerks, male unit size, etc.
Why should these members be made any more uncomfortable than folks who don't want to talk about guns?

I too am outraged by the comments of hangloose'57 and furrybits'76 my sense of decorum has been upset by their many hijacks, I am starting a petition.
Please sign up at [email protected] You can also add that Dutch git and that other Mod Allan the Prince of hijacks LOL

[JJ Irani]

Heavens to betsy......what the hell did I start up this time?

Hey everybody,

Let's all forget the past, just concentrate on the present, let's all get nice and friendly and make this the greatest forum on planet earth!!!

We can talk about our homes, our gardens, our cars, our pets, hell even talk about RADO watches .......but let's just get along.......maintain the same harmony that always existed here.

As one of the oldest members of TRF, this comes as a very sincere request from ME........ME, i.e. JJ!!! Surely my plea cannot fall on deaf ears?

I love you ALL and would not like to see any of you wonderful folk leave this place. Just go with the flow and things should eventually even out into a nice smooth run.

Best to all - JJ

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by jdc

I too am outraged by the comments of hangloose'57 and furrybits'76 my sense of decorum has been upset by their many hijacks, I am starting a petition.
Please sign up at [email protected] You can also add that Dutch git and that other Mod Allan the Prince of hijacks LOL

Bah you should be banned for harrassing me you dirty old git!

J

[rsg]

Originally Posted by jdc

I too am outraged by the comments of hangloose'57 and furrybits'76 my sense of decorum has been upset by their many hijacks, I am starting a petition.
Please sign up at [email protected] You can also add that Dutch git and that other Mod Allan the Prince of hijacks LOL

No moral outrage here, just trying to look at things from a different perspective. Carry on..........

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by rsg

By reading this very thread I can see how most women would be made to feel uncomfortable. Humor has it's place, but obviously there are some members who aren't comfortable with the discussion of circle jerks, male unit size, etc.
Why should these members be made any more uncomfortable than folks who don't want to talk about guns?

Implied innuendo is different from sexism and alledged sexual harrassment via pm.

Although sexual in nature, they are usually just seen as good humour. Remember, as a forum we often make cracks about JJ and his sheep. Are we saying we support beastiality? No, it's having a laugh.

I admit that when the laughs do dry up people get hurt but in this instance I would have to agree with the mods on this and with Joe's stance, a stance he has often put in writing on the public forum....

If you see something that offends you or annoys you, send a polite pm. If it continues contact a mod.

Thats what they are here for...well apart from hijacking!!!!

Jim

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Implied innuendo is different from sexism and alledged sexual harrassment via pm.

Although sexual in nature, they are usually just seen as good humour. Remember, as a forum we often make cracks about JJ and his sheep. Are we saying we support beastiality? No, it's having a laugh.

I admit that when the laughs do dry up people get hurt but in this instance I would have to agree with the mods on this and with Joe's stance, a stance he has often put in writing on the public forum....

If you see something that offends you or annoys you, send a polite pm. If it continues contact a mod.

Thats what they are here for...well apart from hijacking!!!!

Jim

Ya bastid, if I had to send a PM for every time one of you tossers took a crack at me and my sheep, your PM boxes would be chocker full!!!

[redshirt1957]

Originally Posted by rsg

By reading this very thread I can see how most women would be made to feel uncomfortable. Humor has it's place, but obviously there are some members who aren't comfortable with the discussion of circle jerks, male unit size, etc.
Why should these members be made any more uncomfortable than folks who don't want to talk about guns?

Since ole' SixShooter76 and I have the smallest guns on the forum, and both only shoot blanks, I stay away from the gun threads.

[jdc]

Originally Posted by Lisa

The tone and personality of a forum is dictated by the forum leadership -- ultimately by the person in charge. I've had issues in the past with speaking up about matters that bothered me - and I was given infraction points for "unfriendly behavior" and told it was not my place to force my values on others.

After that, I promised myself that if I continued to feel uncomfortable with speaking my mind then this was not the place for me.

Never say never? This is one time when I will.

well in a totally non sexist way I love you Lisa
I would like to emphasis that this is not a sexual advance, maybe just a little................................ Lisa will you marry me if I can get a divorce from furrybits'76?

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by Lisa

The tone and personality of a forum is dictated by the forum leadership -- ultimately by the person in charge. I've had issues in the past with speaking up about matters that bothered me - and I was given infraction points for "unfriendly behavior" and told it was not my place to force my values on others.

After that, I promised myself that if I continued to feel uncomfortable with speaking my mind then this was not the place for me.

Never say never? This is one time when I will.

Hey Lisa, sorry to see that.

You know I think you're the cat's meow



J

[redshirt1957]

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Hey Lisa, sorry to see that.

You know I think you're the cat's meow



J

I have a funny retort but shall refrain ole' FurBall76. It does have a line about how cats lick their paws.

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by redshirt1957

I have a funny retort but shall refrain ole' FurBall76. It does have a line about how cats lick their paws.

Steady....

J

[Lol-x]

I don't appreciate Lisa being a big b**** to me on my thread, now it
s closed by Lol-x/Steve :(
I started the thread for the sole purpose of the beautiful and sexy Rolex - a daydate president!! It doesn't mean I'm stupid just because I'm hot, I'm 22 and getting my MBA and then going to law school and I have a lot going for me besides looks. But since I was born with good looks I don't feel the need to cover up my boobs and hide under a potato sack!
This is so retarded! why can't I just talk about what I love on here without jealous b**ches getting in my way!! GRRR!!

Shortly after this incident occurred the female member in issue (for her own reasons and which she expressed to me) hasn't posted since November 2008, and we are bringing this up now.

And lets not misconstrue my position, I don't condone that kind of behaviour and the member received an infraction for that post. As I said that member got an infraction (the *** were I believe as per the original post i.e. not moderated). The member who made that post (a female member) did so in the heat of the moment and afterwards regretted making it. It was a post that was made in response to a personally critical post made towards her.

I tried to broker a reconciliation but that didn't happen, because someone was not prepared to forgive and forget.

All I asked was an agreement to be friendly, but that was not returned with a favorable reply.

The other member hasn't been banned, she told me she would no longer be active on the forum, she hasn't posted but I suspect she can still be contacted to give her version of events.

I did not take any sides, but tried to procure a reconciliation. I'm sorry that didn't happen. That was November 2008. This ain't never going to be healed, sorry I tried but failed. It seems like the only satisfactory result according to one or some members is for me I bow to the request of one member to ban another member, and because I didn't or don't agree to that course I have failed to address the 'needs' of one, or some or all female members for which it seems I will forever more be made to pay.

Oh yeah FWIW since this unfortunate issue occurred there has only been something like about 400,000 post made on the forum.

[C. Davidson]

For what its worth, I love TRF.

[swatty]

Originally Posted by C. Davidson

For what its worth, I love TRF.

Got to agree Chris

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Shortly after this incident occurred the female member in issue (for her own reasons and which she expressed to me) hasn't posted since November 2008, and we are bringing this up now.

And lets not misconstrue my position, I don't condone that kind of behaviour and the member received an infraction for that post. As I said that member got an infraction (the *** were I believe as per the original post i.e. not moderated). The member who made that post (a female member) did so in the heat of the moment and afterwards regretted making it. It was a post that was made in response to a personally critical post made towards her.

I tried to broker a reconciliation but that didn't happen, because someone was not prepared to forgive and forget.

All I asked was an agreement to be friendly, but that was not returned with a favorable reply.

The other member hasn't been banned, she told me she would no longer be active on the forum, she hasn't posted but I suspect she can still be contacted to give her version of events.

I did not take any sides, but tried to procure a reconciliation. I'm sorry that didn't happen. That was November 2008. This ain't never going to be healed, sorry I tried but failed. It seems like the only satisfactory result according to one or some members is for me I bow to the request of one member to ban another member, and because I didn't or don't agree to that course I have failed to address the 'needs' of one, or some or all female members for which it seems I will forever more be made to pay.

Oh yeah FWIW since this unfortunate issue occurred there has only been something like about 400,000 post made on the forum.

I certainly did not see any evidence of that member regretting her actions. If anything, she attempted to justify her use of her language to me. Her version of events holds no weight considering how her story changes according to who she's talking to.

Also, if I recall correctly, she wasn't the one under threat of being banned.

Given the meat of the conversation, the incident is relevant regardless of when it happened.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Also, if I recall correctly, she wasn't the one under threat of being banned.

Well she expressed it to me in PM's and she hasn't posted since November 2008.

Who are you saying the threat of being banned was made by and who was it made to? Be very specific here please and moreover what was the basis of the threat i.e. what was it stated as being supposedly it was 'if you do ??? you will be banned.'

If it is as significant an event as some seem to feel, it's interesting how it has come up at this juncture don't you think?

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Well she expressed it to me in PM's and she hasn't posted since November 2008.

Who are you saying the threat of being banned was made by and who was it made to? Be very specific here please and moreover what was the basis of the threat i.e. what was it stated as being supposedly it was 'if you do ??? you will be banned.'

If it is as significant an event as some seem to feel, it's interesting how it has come up at this juncture don't you think?

I'm afraid I can't oblige the request to be specific, seeing as how my access to some threads is now limited. Feel free to make of it what you will.

Is this a matter of this being a significant event, or is it a matter of it being relevant to the topic of conversation? In a conversation about, say, Nazism, does it have to be a significant event to the speaker to talk about the concentration camps?

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

I'm afraid I can't oblige the request to be specific, seeing as how my access to some threads is now limited. Feel free to make of it what you will.

You made the allegation of a threat being made of banning, surely in saying that here and now you did so mindful of who made the threat and who it was made towards.

Given that it must have been made to a specific regular member, who was it made to? Perhaps you can at least say that?

"Originally Posted by Gedanken
Also, if I recall correctly, she wasn't the one under threat of being banned."

That's a very specific statement your making, now who was the threat made by and who was it made towards?

As invited by you, I'll make it to be a baseless allegation if it isn't supported with anything of substance, i.e who was it made by and who was it made towards?

[Idle Swede]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

You made the allegation of a threat being made of banning, surely in saying that here and now you did so mindful of who made the threat and who it was made towards.

Given that it must have been made to a specific regular member, who was it made to? Perhaps you can at least say that?

"Originally Posted by Gedanken
Also, if I recall correctly, she wasn't the one under threat of being banned."

That's a very specific statement your making, now who was the threat made by and who was it made towards?

I'll make it to be a baseless allegation if it isn't supported with anything of substance, i.e who was it made by and who was it made towards?

I agree, infractions are in order.

[Gedanken]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

You made the allegation of a threat being made of banning, surely in saying that here and now you did so mindful of who made the threat and who it was made towards.

Given that it must have been made to a specific regular member, who was it made to? Perhaps you can at least say that?

"Originally Posted by Gedanken
Also, if I recall correctly, she wasn't the one under threat of being banned."

That's a very specific statement your making, now who was the threat made by and who was it made towards?

As invited by you, I'll make it to be a baseless allegation if it isn't supported with anything of substance, i.e who was it made by and who was it made towards?

Incorrect. I spoke of someone not under threat of being banned. If you wish to construe that that constitutes an allegation of someone under threat of being banned, that's your opinion to form.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Incorrect. I spoke of someone not under threat of being banned. If you wish to construe that that constitutes an allegation of someone under threat of being banned, that's your opinion to form.

So now you're saying no one was threatened or you can't remember? You made the allegation, now you're just being mischievous.

Again remembering correctly who was under threat of being banned. Its your assertion in saying 'she wasn't the one' so you are alluding specifically to someone else as having been threatened, who is that?

[DARK_KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Well she expressed it to me in PM's and she hasn't posted since November 2008.

Who are you saying the threat of being banned was made by and who was it made to? Be very specific here please and moreover what was the basis of the threat i.e. what was it stated as being supposedly it was 'if you do ??? you will be banned.'

If it is as significant an event as some seem to feel, it's interesting how it has come up at this juncture don't you think?

Both ladies had ample opportunity offered by the owner to reach an amicable solution. I think it's commendable.

[jdc]

Making assumptions based on the limited information put into the public domain is never going to find the truth. Who knows what has gone on between members behind doors. People are always going to have differences taking sides is not going to make matters better. Public self justification of ones stance is not going to help anyone except the egos of those involved. Let time heal.

[Jimbits76]

Originally Posted by DARK_KNIGHT

Both ladies had ample opportunity offered by the owner to reach an amicable solution. I think it's commendable.

You make a lot of definitive statements.

I assume that you have all of the information at hand as to what exactly happened in the situation described by James and Steve because if you didn't the above statment would come across as rather ill judged.

I would just like you to know that as somebody that was involved in the entire altercation, I do have complete knowledge of what occured and who said what!

I've remained quiet for the good of the forum.

Perhaps you should follow my lead?

Jim

[DARK_KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

You make a lot of definitive statements.

I assume that you have all of the information at hand as to what exactly happened in the situation described by James and Steve because if you didn't the above statment would come across as rather ill judged.

I would just like you to know that as somebody that was involved in the entire altercation, I do have complete knowledge of what occured and who said what!

I've remained quiet for the good of the forum.

Perhaps you should follow my lead?

Jim

Dear Jimbits:

Thanks for your post. I assumed the information shared by LOL-X was true (and I still do) and I quote:

I have extracted and reposted for your consideration JIMBITS:

On August 20, 2009, LOL-X wrote (in part - an extract on page 9):

I tried to broker a reconciliation but that didn't happen, because someone was not prepared to forgive and forget. All I asked was an agreement to be friendly, but that was not returned with a favorable reply. I did not take any sides, but tried to procure a reconciliation.
*************END OF EXTRACT*******************

KEY WORDS broker a reconciliation / all i asked was an agreement to be friendly / tried to procure a reconciliation

But, you could have spared me my conclusion, by sharing your inside knowledge, thus not allowing mortals such as myself to reach a flawed account of the events. If either participant were offended by my flawed conclusion, then I apologize to them and same to you, I did not know of your first hand knowledge.