Hang Tags

[acorn]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Read up on what the CPO program is. it’s for 3 years or older Rolex watches. The white hang tags are produced when brand new Rolexes are manufactured. They are a nonissue with CPO watches. The CPO warranty cards guarantee that the watches are all original, not franken, in any way.


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I’m aware you get into these back and forths a lot and I don’t want to fall into one.

Why don’t you read up on what I’ve actually said. The new Rolex doesn’t come with the tag and neither does the CPO. Some people get the little piece of easily faked plastic that means nothing as to whether your Rolex is “Franken”

A CPO watch without a tag is exactly the same as a new AD Rolex, therefore by your own logic the tag means nothing.

Obviously they’ll be some reply and it will never end with you so go for it and you’ll have the last word if it will make you as happy as having your sacred little tags

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by moofur

If you and others truly believe that the white tag is "worthless" ask yourself what and others would do if there were two John Mayers side by side that are both BNIB with the same date, one with the white tag and the other without.

If it truly was worthless they would be equally attractive to a buyer who is in the market for one. However, I'm willing to bet that 99% of buyers would choose the one with the white tag if they are the same price. Heck, I would be willing to bet that most buyers would pay a premium (however small) to have the white tag.

I certainly would pick the one with the tag. I am not obsessed with the tag, as mentioned above, by a member, just glad my complete box sets have them. There is a lot of info imbedded in those little tags, and it’s all specific to my watch. I’m rather surprised that people don’t care whether they have it. Obviously the ADs think they are important, if they withhold them, in order to keep flippers from being able to have complete sets.

Kat


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[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by acorn

I’m aware you get into these back and forths a lot and I don’t want to fall into one.

Why don’t you read up on what I’ve actually said. The new Rolex doesn’t come with the tag and neither does the CPO. Some people get the little piece of easily faked plastic that means nothing as to whether your Rolex is “Franken”

A CPO watch without a tag is exactly the same as a new AD Rolex, therefore by your own logic the tag means nothing.

Obviously they’ll be some reply and it will never end with you so go for it and you’ll have the last word if it will make you as happy as having your sacred little tags

What are these back and forths to which you are referring? I do have strong opinions, as apparently do you. Fair to say I’m passionate about watches, everything watch related. Why single me out?

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[KatGirl]

Sorry. Double post

[EvelynWaugh]

Not sure why this topic is even being debated. Serialized tags, while its not a necessity, does serve a purpose in ensuring that the watch you are purchasing at grey is sold to you in its original birth configuration.

I have personally been offered on several occasions in US, Japan and certain parts of Europe, discontinued 6 digit Day-Date references with confirmed swapped dials. I have even seen NOS sets that have had its original dial exchanged at RSC by the dealer trying to sell me the watch. If you are lucky enough, an honest seller will disclose of this information but unfortunately same can't be said for the majority, and without the serialized tag with dial code, there is simply no way to know without having Rolex look it up in their database.

I know the green John Mayer Daytona gets used a lot as example of potential swap, but there are plenty other discontinued references where dial swaps happen ALL THE TIME. As someone that enjoys certain relatively unknown, less hyped references no longer in production, it is definitely a nice addition to have as extra provenance.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by EvelynWaugh

Not sure why this topic is even being debated. Serialized tags, while its not a necessity, does serve a purpose in ensuring that the watch you are purchasing at grey is sold to you in its original birth configuration.

I have personally been offered on several occasions in US, Japan and certain parts of Europe, discontinued 6 digit Day-Date references with confirmed swapped dials. I have even seen NOS sets that have had its original dial exchanged at RSC by the dealer trying to sell me the watch. If you are lucky enough, an honest seller will disclose of this information but unfortunately same can't be said for the majority, and without the serialized tag with dial code, there is simply no way to know without having Rolex look it up in their database.

I know the green John Mayer Daytona gets used a lot as example of potential swap, but there are plenty other discontinued references where dial swaps happen ALL THE TIME. As someone that enjoys certain relatively unknown, less hyped references no longer in production, it is definitely a nice addition to have as extra provenance.

Very well said, and the exact point of view shared by those of us who find them important. Thank you for explaining it more clearly than I could.

Kat


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[acorn]

Originally Posted by EvelynWaugh

Not sure why this topic is even being debated. Serialized tags, while its not a necessity, does serve a purpose in ensuring that the watch you are purchasing at grey is sold to you in its original birth configuration.

I have personally been offered on several occasions in US, Japan and certain parts of Europe, discontinued 6 digit Day-Date references with confirmed swapped dials. I have even seen NOS sets that have had its original dial exchanged at RSC by the dealer trying to sell me the watch. If you are lucky enough, an honest seller will disclose of this information but unfortunately same can't be said for the majority, and without the serialized tag with dial code, there is simply no way to know without having Rolex look it up in their database.

I know the green John Mayer Daytona gets used a lot as example of potential swap, but there are plenty other discontinued references where dial swaps happen ALL THE TIME. As a collector of watches for those certain models no longer in production, it is definitely a nice addition to have as provenance.

Agree, no idea why anyone would debate that these little easily faked tags mean anything.

You made my case when you said “ without the serialized tag with dial code, there is simply no way to know without having Rolex look it up in their database.” No way to know otherwise, except this way. That ruins your case for their importance.

If someone has a Rolex dial changed by Rolex the provenance is just as assured as if it was not changed. Provenance means the history of ownership. Rolex has the history of ownership.

Older watches often don’t even have papers of any kind let alone tags.

Enjoy your collecting

[moofur]

Originally Posted by acorn

Agree, no idea why anyone would debate that these little easily faked tags mean anything.

You made my case when you said “ without the serialized tag with dial code, there is simply no way to know without having Rolex look it up in their database.” No way to know otherwise, except this way. That ruins your case for their importance.

If someone has a Rolex dial changed by Rolex the provenance is just as assured as if it was not changed. Provenance means the history of ownership. Rolex has the history of ownership.

Older watches often don’t even have papers of any kind let alone tags.

Enjoy your collecting

Did you even read or understand what he wrote?

[ETonePJ]

I have an older watch without any of the paraphernalia. The watch is the item of value.
I don't intend to sell unless the need arises. I hope to pass it on.
So it makes no difference if some value it less without the extra stuff. It's value to me is what matters.
That said, if I put it on the market I'm sure there would be several offers.

[phonefool]

Hmmm, imho desirability ranking goes:

1. Watch only, no box or papers
2. Watch with box, no papers
3. Watch with box and papers
4. Watch with box, papers, and green tag
5. Watch with box, papers, and both tags

I’ve bought watches in all 5 categories, and none of these categories (with the exception of papers) are as important as these next 3:

1. Condition of watch
2. Full links
3. Year

And of course….the number one deal maker or deal breaker:

1. PRICE

Thats my 2 cents!

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by SearChart

Agreed, worthless piece of plastic that has nothing to do with the watch.

Yes.

Originally Posted by rufio0811

sadly this is what watch discussion has come to

Sadly yes unfortunately.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Yes.



Sadly yes unfortunately.

It’s all just people sharing their thoughts, about something related to their shared hobby.

Kat


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[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

It’s all just people sharing their thoughts, about something related to a shared passion.

Kat


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Passion for plastic I don’t share that I respond to the other two because they agreed with me and I agreed with them to say thank you.

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by phonefool

I’ve bought watches in all 5 categories, and none of these categories (with the exception of papers) are as important as these next 3:

1. Condition of watch
2. Full links
3. Year

And of course….the number one deal maker or deal breaker:

1. PRICE

Thats my 2 cents!

I wonder how many stolen watches you may have in your possession.

[luk4s83]

So here are some possible scenarios:

1. A watch with swapped dial and forged tag shows up on the market - The buyer makes the purchase without checking with Rolex - why would they be suspicious if they are getting a "full set"? - loose

2. A watch with swapped dial comes with no tag - As there's no tag, the buyer checks the watch with Rolex - result: no buy - win

3. The buyer is on a hunt for his grail for months, finds a great watch without the tag - no "full set". The buyer gets suspicious and doesn't pull the trigger. While in fact the watch never came with the tag from the AD and was fully legit - another loose.

4. The buyer is on a hunt for his grail for months, finds a great watch without the tag - no "full set" but the buyer is aware that some Rolexes came from AD without tags. The buyer pulls the trigger and gets his grail - win.

I don't see any point of chasing a watch with the tag, it literally doesn't help with anything and ironically often times it can make things worse instead of making anything easier or better. The key is common sense, trustworthy dealer and papers - I wouldn't buy any modern Rolex without them.

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

I wonder how many stolen watches you may have in your possession.

You say he has stolen watches because there is no plastic that never even came with a watch from the beginning.

Yes it is very unfortunate that discussions go like this. Apologies should be given by saying he has stolen watches.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Passion for plastic I don’t share that I respond to the other two because they agreed with me and I agreed with them to say thank you.

I must admit I don’t understand what the fuss is all about. Why would anyone object to people being glad to have a tag confirming that their brand new Rolex is configured exactly as first put together at the factory, by Rolex. I would suppose we would all want that peace of mind, when spending thousands of dollars on one wrist watch. The only passion involved is making sure we got the exact watch, for which we paid. It’s really that simple.

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[Halifax Daytona UK]

Remove the stickers and enjoy the watch. Whilst it’s good to think you have a ‘collectors’ piece due to the stickers etc , the watch is mass produced and even now can had at MSRP. For that watch to become a highly sought after watch you will have wait a decade or two and then it won’t be worth 3 x what you paid for it.

Personally I wouldn’t fall for the ‘collectors’ set and pay more for it. The stickers can be bought online and reapplied , the white tags also

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I must admit I don’t understand what the fuss is all about. Why would anyone object to people being glad to have a tag confirming that their brand new Rolex is configured exactly as first put together at the factory, by Rolex. I would suppose we would all want that peace of mind, when spending thousands of dollars on one wrist watch. The only passion involved is making sure we got the exact watch, for which we paid. It’s really that simple.

Kat


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Many people say already they bought new watch at AD and did not get plastic so now you say they don’t have real watch and should not be comfortable. No passion is for watches this discussion is not about that passion. I see it very simple too plastic is nothing to do with my passion.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

Many people say already they bought new watch at AD and did not get plastic so now you say they don’t have real watch and should not be comfortable. No passion is for watches this discussion is not about that passion. I see it very simple too plastic is nothing to do with my passion.

With all do respect, Tom, I never said that anyone’s watch isn’t real, or that they should not feel comfortable, buying from an AD, without getting the tag. I’m just glad that my AD DOES provide them, and I would hesitate to buy grey, without the tag, if it were a watch where the dial, or bracelet could have been swapped out for another, that did not match the way the watch was originally configured, at the factory. No judgement from me, if others don’t care about any of that.

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[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

You say he has stolen watches because there is no plastic that never even came with a watch from the beginning.



Yes it is very unfortunate that discussions go like this. Apologies should be given by saying he has stolen watches.

If your criteria for purchasing a watch is condition, links, year, and most importantly PRICE then I'm sorry you may be at risk of acquiring stolen goods. Particularly when no bax, paper, tags etc are included.

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

With all do respect, Tom, I never said that anyone’s watch isn’t real, or that they should not feel comfortable, buying from an AD, without getting the tag. I’m just glad that my AD DOES provide them, and I would hesitate to buy grey, without the tag, if it were a watch where the dial, or bracelet could have been swapped out for another, that did not match the way the watch was originally configured, at the factory. No judgement from me, if others don’t care about any of that.

Kat


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So yes people who did not receive plastic tag have lesser watch than you that is no attitude to have. Some have information given on receipt as written elsewhere and others in past have said they got information on separate paper of tag instead.

You take superior attitude because you have tags it’s very simple to see all these people same thing, try to be better than other. Expert who work for Rolex say it worthless. Other members say Rolex can check serial number and get all information. All information is stored makes no difference if have tag or don’t have tag, can still have changed dial and bracelet like many have said. All this fact and still want to believe plastic piece is key to real and make your watch better than other people.

People fighting saying others have stolen watches or would never buy another’s watch they bought from AD without tag they were never given. This is not passion for watches and yes is unfortunate discussion like I replied my friend earlier.

[Tom Arai]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

If your criteria for purchasing a watch is condition, links, year, and most importantly PRICE then I'm sorry you may be at risk of acquiring stolen goods. Particularly when no bax, paper, tags etc are included.

I do not buy stolen goods why are you answering me saying this, I do not like discussing of this type.

[vipereaper30]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

I do not buy stolen goods why are you answering me saying this, I do not like discussing of this type.

Catching a vibe from you man, sorry you are offended by a comment that I made to a *different* poster. There's a lot of sketchy stuff out there so be careful is all I'm saying.

[padi56]

This thread reminds me of the hologram case back stickers decades ago we used to get ask more questions about the hologram and case back stickers than the actual watches.I prayed to the Rolex gods to get rid of the holograms they answered my prayers and got rid of them.So perhaps its time to pray again and get rid of these bits of plastic then perhaps we could get back to the important bits the watches.

[hojlund]

ther is only one white tag in the whole world for each watch, it's unique and precious!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by hojlund

ther is only one white tag in the whole world for each watch, it's unique and precious!

Bingo!

[Andad]

Originally Posted by padi56

This thread reminds me of the hologram case back stickers decades ago we used to get ask more questions about the hologram and case back stickers than the actual watches.I prayed to the Rolex gods to get rid of the holograms they answered my prayers and got rid of them.So perhaps its time to pray again and get rid of these bits of plastic then perhaps we could get back to the important bits the watches.

To me there is a difference between a stick on hologram and a tag with details specific to a Rolex that I own Peter.

[Nav01L]

Not to put oil into the fire here but since this is set to become one of those threads, how about the original delivery coffins? I mean it’s not like the watches got to the AD in the boxes we get them in. I respect that some folks want all the paraphernalia and ancillaries with their watch - whether I understand it or not - but shouldn’t those folks also want the plastic factory delivery coffin then with the styrofoam inserts to hold the watch? Wouldn’t that be needed to be coherent with the notion of a „full set“? I mean there has to be some objective measure of what constitutes a full set and it’s either everything that is somehow involved with the watch leaving the factory and reaching the consumer (i.e. delivery coffin, stickers, tags, presentation box, warranty card, whathaveyou) or, it is defined by what the authorized seller is required (by Rolex) to deliver, but that would not include the white tag. Anything else seems a bit arbitrary.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Andad

Bingo!

To be on the safe side, I would pull up the Wikipedia for „sarcasm“