[Poll] 116500LN (White) or 126500LN (White)

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by Manamana

Can't use logic with Rolex, Rolex does what Rolex wants to do. Rolex stopped the popular Tiffany and other dials on the OP, stopped all interesting colors of the Daytona dials, stopped the Le Mans. Does that mean those were a mistake or Rolex was not loving the colors. Rolex statement says the asymmetrical lugs of the 116500 makes for a more balanced case and look which is correct , then stopped it after 7 years. It doesn't mean anything except that it makes the 116500 more special as with the above examples.

I agree, the 126500 is great, but the 116500 is probably just too perfect.

[Mystro]

[illiguy]

Mystro with the Philippe Dufour 116500 mic drop.

[Bazil]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Beautiful photos ..

[rolesor2022]

116500LN wins every time. It will always be THE OG Ceramic SS Daytona that started Rolex Mania. Philippe Dufour knows this.

[liuk3]

Amazing how close the poll is.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by panerai7

Those who say 126 simply didn’t make it in line and/or weren’t able to get 116 white from AD, probably settled for a black one for MSRP and/or had to settle for 126 white.
No one having two from AD 116 and 126 will keep 126

That's nonsense I'm afraid.

The asymmetric lugs on the 11 prevented me from ever even considering one. Now that's been fixed (along with the classy refinement of the dial, and the vintage bezel ring) the 12 series Daytona is a watch I've got my name down for.

[Fserial]

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/the-def...500ln-version/
“With the 2016 debut of the steel Rolex Daytona 116500LN, perhaps not even Rolex knew what a challenge it would eventually be to try to improve upon that design and execution. Seven years later, the 60th anniversary of the collection has marked the time for that “something” to happen, and so Rolex was expected to face this trial head-on and somehow modify one of its finest-ever designs — the 116500LN steel Daytona.
Even with all this in mind, we have to say that many of the updates to the Daytona, and especially the steel Daytona, appear to be hard-to-justify modifications that represent more of a step back than forward. The asymmetrical design, the delicate shape of the lugs, case profile, and hour markers, the monoblock and unframed ceramic bezel, the perfect overall proportions of the steel Daytona — not one of these are watch design elements that happen by chance, not at this level, anyway. And yet, all of these deliberate and calculated elements of refinement have been undone without any historical or practical justification.”

[mile2424]

Every time I look at my watch to see the time or look at the dial, I never see the asymmetric lugs of the 11 series. Only when I specially look for that aspect do I notice them.

[rlxdjsub]

Which one wears bigger than the other? From purely a size/fitting perspective, which one is better for smaller wrists? Or both the same?

[bp1000]

I don’t know why people keep going on about asymmetrical lugs.

Someone in a few posts above said they didn’t buy the 11 series Daytona because of the asymmetrical lugs yet they have a 14060M in their signature which has asymmetrical lugs.

Rolex did this for 50 years on most watches which crown guards and with the Daytona with pushers the difference was more obvious. They did this for balance on the wrist as there was more weight on the right side due to crown guards and pushers.

I think this shows just how much attention to detail Rolex shows when it comes to design and wearability. Watches with palladium were excluded.

Now we have standardised cases across the board. Rolex might no longer care about the utility of their watches, just getting the cost of production down and speed of the production lines having all case metals come from the same press. This point is a big one for me. Rolex is not swatch and should not be cutting corners and compromising on principles they put in place for half a century just to achieve lower cost per unit and simpler, faster production.

[Manamana]

Originally Posted by bp1000

I don’t know why people keep going on about asymmetrical lugs.

Someone in a few posts above said they didn’t buy the 11 series Daytona because of the asymmetrical lugs yet they have a 14060M in their signature which has asymmetrical lugs.

Rolex did this for 50 years on most watches which crown guards and with the Daytona with pushers the difference was more obvious. They did this for balance on the wrist as there was more weight on the right side due to crown guards and pushers.

I think this shows just how much attention to detail Rolex shows when it comes to design and wearability. Watches with palladium were excluded.

Now we have standardised cases across the board. Rolex might no longer care about the utility of their watches, just getting the cost of production down and speed of the production lines having all case metals come from the same press. This point is a big one for me. Rolex is not swatch and should not be cutting corners and compromising on principles they put in place for half a century just to achieve lower cost per unit and simpler, faster production.

99% never noticed the asymmetrical lungs until they read Rolex statement about them or a post on forums.

[Manamana]

Originally Posted by Fserial

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/the-def...500ln-version/
“With the 2016 debut of the steel Rolex Daytona 116500LN, perhaps not even Rolex knew what a challenge it would eventually be to try to improve upon that design and execution. Seven years later, the 60th anniversary of the collection has marked the time for that “something” to happen, and so Rolex was expected to face this trial head-on and somehow modify one of its finest-ever designs — the 116500LN steel Daytona.
Even with all this in mind, we have to say that many of the updates to the Daytona, and especially the steel Daytona, appear to be hard-to-justify modifications that represent more of a step back than forward. The asymmetrical design, the delicate shape of the lugs, case profile, and hour markers, the monoblock and unframed ceramic bezel, the perfect overall proportions of the steel Daytona — not one of these are watch design elements that happen by chance, not at this level, anyway. And yet, all of these deliberate and calculated elements of refinement have been undone without any historical or practical justification.”

[Bazil]

Originally Posted by bp1000

I don’t know why people keep going on about asymmetrical lugs.

Someone in a few posts above said they didn’t buy the 11 series Daytona because of the asymmetrical lugs yet they have a 14060M in their signature which has asymmetrical lugs.

Rolex did this for 50 years on most watches which crown guards and with the Daytona with pushers the difference was more obvious. They did this for balance on the wrist as there was more weight on the right side due to crown guards and pushers.

I think this shows just how much attention to detail Rolex shows when it comes to design and wearability. Watches with palladium were excluded.

Now we have standardised cases across the board. Rolex might no longer care about the utility of their watches, just getting the cost of production down and speed of the production lines having all case metals come from the same press. This point is a big one for me. Rolex is not swatch and should not be cutting corners and compromising on principles they put in place for half a century just to achieve lower cost per unit and simpler, faster production.

I never looked at it or really noticed it, the watch was good enough for me, the Daytona is as said many times my favourite model, I’m only not too keen on the TT ones but would still consider it. To turn one down because of the lugs to me is bonkers, just look at those dials ..

[karleone]

Originally Posted by rlxdjsub

Which one wears bigger than the other? From purely a size/fitting perspective, which one is better for smaller wrists? Or both the same?

126500 wears slightly bigger but with the thinner case, new case profile and more vertical lugs it’s more comfy on my wrist vs my 116500.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by bp1000

I don’t know why people keep going on about asymmetrical lugs.

Someone in a few posts above said they didn’t buy the 11 series Daytona because of the asymmetrical lugs yet they have a 14060M in their signature which has asymmetrical lugs.

Rolex did this for 50 years on most watches which crown guards and with the Daytona with pushers the difference was more obvious. They did this for balance on the wrist as there was more weight on the right side due to crown guards and pushers.

I think this shows just how much attention to detail Rolex shows when it comes to design and wearability. Watches with palladium were excluded.

Now we have standardised cases across the board. Rolex might no longer care about the utility of their watches, just getting the cost of production down and speed of the production lines having all case metals come from the same press. This point is a big one for me. Rolex is not swatch and should not be cutting corners and compromising on principles they put in place for half a century just to achieve lower cost per unit and simpler, faster production.

People go on about them because it's a design feature many of us simply dislike. Some of us just can't unsee it, while others are apparently fine with it. It's no different to how some get all up tight about the cyclops.

To my eye the asymmetric lugs don't "balance" anything aesthetically. And the fact it wasn't even consistent across all 11 series models - SS, YG and TT on bracelet were all asymmetrical, WG, RG and Pt on bracelet were all symmetrical, and all OF version were symmetrical - shows it wasn't some "master design plan"; it was just a Rolex oddity that they've now corrected. If it was that vital to their idea of aesthetics, IMO all 11 series models would've been asymmetric, and they would've continued it with the 12 series.

I agree that Rolex clearly want to standardise their case design across the board for the Daytona, but what utility was gained by having asymmetric lugs on YG models for example, and symmetric lugs on RG models? Absolutely none.

IMO they made the right choice to standardise the case symmetrically.

(Any asymmetry on my 14060M is WAY less pronounced than on the 11 series Daytona, to the point that it’s not even noticeable, even when looking at the case from behind. You have to look REALLY hard to see it IMO).

[MY-WATCH]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Mystro with the Philippe Dufour 116500 mic drop.

This + love Mystro's sesmerizing pics

[Manamana]

The decision of Rolex on asymmetrical lugs for the 116500 was a design win, and Rolex was clearly proud of it to publish a statement about it which Rolex doesn't usually do. The change to a standard case all over the Daytona range is clearly a win for the accounting department over design department. Rolex wanted to make the new Daytona look bigger, but ruined a beautiful well balanced case and look while doing so in my opinion.

[PenDelicate]

One of the things I love about chronographs in general is the aesthetic of the asymmetric case: the pushers and crown-guards on one side of the case (not to mention the crown) while the other side of the case is bare.

Next to that asymmetry, the lug-asymmetry of the 11-series SS had only distant appeal.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by Manamana

The decision of Rolex on asymmetrical lugs for the 116500 was a design win, and Rolex was clearly proud of it to publish a statement about it which Rolex doesn't usually do. The change to a standard case all over the Daytona range is clearly a win for the accounting department over design department. Rolex wanted to make the new Daytona look bigger, but ruined a beautiful well balanced case and look while doing so in my opinion.

I prefer the 11 series case, but I also wouldn’t call the 12’s case “ruined.” I just prefer the 116500 OG “Panda” to the 12 series.

If we were talking about the Black dial, the 12 series is my runaway winner.

In short, and as others have said, 11 in White and 12 in Black is the ideal combo in my humble opinion.

When I also think of legendary modern SS sport references, I think of:

1) 116500 (White)
2) 5711
3) 15202

[Manamana]

Originally Posted by illiguy

I prefer the 11 series case, but I also wouldn’t call the 12’s case “ruined.” I just prefer the 116500 OG “Panda” to the 12 series.

If we were talking about the Black dial, the 12 series is my runaway winner.

In short, and as others have said, 11 in White and 12 in Black is the ideal combo in my humble opinion.

When I also think of legendary modern SS sport references, I think of:

1) 116500 (White)
2) 5711
3) 15202

I too like the black 126500, but it's because of the look of the dial in black mainly.

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by RollingInTheDeep

I'd argue there is potential for significant bias towards the 12 given lack of availability of the 11. Meaning, folks "like" the 12 more because one can no longer get the 11 at retail.

I agree. It could be said that since we cannot buy "11" at the regular price now, we are "forced" to choose "12" which we can buy at the regular price. Against this background, we need to look at the results based on an environment where more people are more likely to vote for "12".

[Greg.A]

Originally Posted by watcheeze

I agree. It could be said that since we cannot buy "11" at the regular price now, we are "forced" to choose "12" which we can buy at the regular price. Against this background, we need to look at the results based on an environment where more people are more likely to vote for "12".

Nah..most people out there will not even be able to get these Pandas at retail/regular price be it 11 in the past or 12 now. It is almost unobtainable unless you are some VVVIPs or big spenders. To reiterate, No matter the results, both 11 and 12 are beautiful in its own rights. However, it is remarkable that 12 is able to even level out/win the poll if it did. 12 is only on the market for 1 year+ and ownership/wearability experience is still much lesser compared to the 11 series of 7 years.

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by Greg.A

Nah..most people out there will not even be able to get these Pandas at retail/regular price be it 11 in the past or 12 now. It is almost unobtainable unless you are some VVVIPs or big spenders. To reiterate, No matter the results, both 11 and 12 are beautiful in its own rights. However, it is remarkable that 12 is able to even level out/win the poll if it did. 12 is only on the market for 1 year+ and ownership/wearability experience is still much lesser compared to the 11 series of 7 years.

At this time, it is impossible to buy "11" at the list price since it is no longer available. On the other hand, "12" is still being sold, so there is still a possibility to buy it at a fixed price. It is very simple that such a background will affect the number of votes. Regardless of the outcome, 11 and 12 are beautiful in every color.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by Greg.A

Nah..most people out there will not even be able to get these Pandas at retail/regular price be it 11 in the past or 12 now. It is almost unobtainable unless you are some VVVIPs or big spenders. To reiterate, No matter the results, both 11 and 12 are beautiful in its own rights. However, it is remarkable that 12 is able to even level out/win the poll if it did. 12 is only on the market for 1 year+ and ownership/wearability experience is still much lesser compared to the 11 series of 7 years.

I recall you once compared the 12 series and its metal bezel ring to a Longines Conquest in preferring the 11. It was such a funny comment, I couldn’t forget. Genuinely curious as to what changed your mind?




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[1259]

I like the 11 better but I’m hoping to get the 12 this century from my AD

[karleone]

There is always a bias in polls when a new reference replaces an old one. Many owners of the old reference tend to vote for it, believing theirs is the best, even if they haven't tried the new one.

For those who believe people vote for the 12 because they couldn't get the 11, consider this: you can trade a 12 for an 11 and still receive a significant amount of cash!

[Fserial]

Originally Posted by karleone

There is always a bias in polls when a new reference replaces an old one. Many owners of the old reference tend to vote for it, believing theirs is the best, even if they haven't tried the new one.

For those who believe people vote for the 12 because they couldn't get the 11, consider this: you can trade a 12 for an 11 and still receive a significant amount of cash!

No longer the case, I’m afraid…

[BNA/LION]

116500LN (White)

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by karleone

There is always a bias in polls when a new reference replaces an old one. Many owners of the old reference tend to vote for it, believing theirs is the best, even if they haven't tried the new one.

For those who believe people vote for the 12 because they couldn't get the 11, consider this: you can trade a 12 for an 11 and still receive a significant amount of cash!

There’s an inherent bias in every poll, owner of old reference or not. You own the 12 white and rightfully supported it and voted for it, just as someone like Mystro voted for the 11.

The discourse is fun, the pictures are great, and it’s these little things that are “big” to watch enthusiasts and collectors that make this fun.