does anyone else think rolex ruined the sub?

[jrinTX]

I prefer the newer clasp and overall feel of a 12. I was willing to go grey for a 16610, but after trying on the 12 a few times, I’m okay waiting.

[Krash]

No, not at all. The ceramic Subs are the best watches ever produced.


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[slide13]

Love the new 12 series, think they did a fantastic job bringing back some of the 5 digit proportions while keeping it a modern watch.

Over the years I’ve had a 14060M, 114060, and now my 126610. The 5 digits are undeniable classics. The 11 series was nice but the proportions were just off for me, I never really loved that on the wrist and I moved it on largely for that reason. The 12 series hits the perfect balance for me.

Glad so,some posted a pic of the clasps, I’ve never understood the too long criticism, never felt particularly long to me at all and I actually prefer a clasp this size to the smaller clasps on an Exp or GMT, just seems more visually balanced to me. But I’m lucky in that it’s a great fit on my wrist

[Lever Escapement]

Originally Posted by slide13

Love the new 12 series, think they did a fantastic job bringing back some of the 5 digit proportions while keeping it a modern watch.

Over the years I’ve had a 14060M, 114060, and now my 126610. The 5 digits are undeniable classics. The 11 series was nice but the proportions were just off for me, I never really loved that on the wrist and I moved it on largely for that reason. The 12 series hits the perfect balance for me.

Glad so,some posted a pic of the clasps, I’ve never understood the too long criticism, never felt particularly long to me at all and I actually prefer a clasp this size to the smaller clasps on an Exp or GMT, just seems more visually balanced to me. But I’m lucky in that it’s a great fit on my wrist

Amen Brother

[Lightsped]

This is easy. I have worn both. Both are truly great watches. In the real world, there is practically no difference in how the two Subs look/feel. Its always interesting how so many people think there is such a huge difference in how these look/feel. I'd say the main difference is in the movement. No one else will ever really know or care which version is on the wrist.

[ROLEX MAN]

I have owned quite a "few" Rolex's, no other one has sooo many sharp edges as the Submariner. (run you fingers along the edge of the case or crown!)

Yes the bruise is from the Sub!

The most comfortable Watch I have owned is the Milgauss or a Yachmaster, soft no sharp edges, even the Daytona has a smooth case.

Sorry to say but I only have a Submariner because "you have to have one"
Well I mean James Bond had one but he could open zippers!
Submariners case is sharp on all edges, clasp is to long! (OK give it to me!)






And No I don't wear them tight, rather loose!



Compare all of them and the Sub is "sharp" maybe made for a diving suit, now that I understand!

[Mr Ben]

Originally Posted by ROLEX MAN

I have owned quite a "few" Rolex's, no other one has sooo many sharp edges as the Submariner. (run you fingers along the edge of the case or crown!)

Yes the bruise is from the Sub!

The most comfortable Watch I have owned is the Milgauss or Yachmaster, soft no sharp edges, even the Daytona has a smooth case.

Sorry to say but I only have a Submariner because "you have to have one"

Submariners case is sharp on all edges, clasp is to long! (OK give it to me!)






And No I don't wear them tight, rather loose!



Compare all of them and the Sub is "sharp" maybe made for a diving suit, now that I understand!

My goodness - I’ve not seen those self printed labels in about 35 years! I can’t even remember what we used to call them.

[Lever Escapement]

Originally Posted by ROLEX MAN

I have owned quite a "few" Rolex's, no other one has sooo many sharp edges as the Submariner. (run you fingers along the edge of the case or crown!)

Yes the bruise is from the Sub!

The most comfortable Watch I have owned is the Milgauss or a Yachmaster, soft no sharp edges, even the Daytona has a smooth case.

And No I don't wear them tight, rather loose!

I mean absolutely zero disrespect or flippancy with this reply, but is the reason you are getting the bruise because you wear it too loose ?
If you wore it a little tighter above your ulnar, you might not be wedging the case between your hand and forearm, or be pushing the crown in to the back of your hand ? (new member so can't post links to pics)
I am yet to own a Rolex watch so I wouldn't know.

[worldofoyster]

i still prefer the 114060. the bracelet is tapered down and feel less heavy

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by worldofoyster

i still prefer the 114060. the bracelet is tapered down and feel less heavy

I’m sort of with you. It’s not a deal breaker but I tend to agree.

Maybe it’s because I’ve been wearing a lot of watches with thinner tapered bracelets lately.

Ideally if they could’ve done the new case with the old bracelet / clasp that would be perfect although … I’m sure I’d find something to complain about

[Neil McCauley]

Load of nonsense
Scraping the bottom of the barrel for conversation here.

This is why I started this thread here: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=950258

It's getting so boring reading constant negative sentiment about such tiny nuances all the time.

[espanol]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

This is why I started this thread here: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=950258

It's getting so boring reading constant negative sentiment about such tiny nuances all the time.

Wait, you’re upset about negative sentiment yet the exact thread you started and pasted is all about what we don’t like about Rolex and wish to change?

[Neil McCauley]

Originally Posted by espanol

Wait, you’re upset about negative sentiment yet the exact thread you started and pasted is all about what we don’t like about Rolex and wish to change?

No - you put a negative spin on that, not me. Typical.

My thread was more about a positive take on the things we would like. Read my first post, you will see

[espanol]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

No - you put a negative spin on that, not me. Typical.

My thread was more about a positive take on the things we would like. Read my first post, you will see

“A lot of us don't like certain things about the current Rolex line-up, for example there's some of us here who don't like the modern Daytona, so, let's come up with what we would like to see instead.”

Introducing your post. Seems awfully negative to me, but hey, what do I know?

[Neil McCauley]

Originally Posted by espanol

“A lot of us don't like certain things about the current Rolex line-up, for example there's some of us here who don't like the modern Daytona, so, let's come up with what we would like to see instead.”

Introducing your post. Seems awfully negative to me, but hey, what do I know?

Well, nevertheless the intention of the post was positive, and for the most part, as were a lot of the responses.

However, it seems that the negative sentiment *still* prevails, and folks continue to try and find the negative in everything just to start an argument.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

Load of nonsense
Scraping the bottom of the barrel for conversation here.

This is why I started this thread here: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=950258

It's getting so boring reading constant negative sentiment about such tiny nuances all the time.

I suppose your frame of reference is different than others, but I don’t see this thread as scraping the bottom of the barrel …

This is exactly what WIS do, we discuss the minutiae of our watches. It’s usually a spirted but respectful debate with folks on opposing sides.

It sure beats talking nicknames and value threads IMHO

[MTdweller]

I’ve owned both generations of the ceramic sub and prefer the dimensions of the newer model.

[Driver8]

I like ALL variants of Subs, but my personal favourite is the 11 series as I actually like the "supercase" (makes it look more "muscular"), but I also prefer the slightly narrower bracelet/clasp, and I like the older movement.

[Duke10]

Nope, definitely not. Crazy how this hulk almost looks black…….


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[joli160]

I like them all, the only downside is the clasp on both the 11 and 12 series.

[rockysw]

some very interesting comments. Seems like there are quite few out there who prefer the 11 series like me.

What surprised me a bit is the ciritisim of the new movement. I actually didnt even think about that. The new movement so far has been amazing and this is my third watch with 32 series movement and never had any issue.

[Mystro]

The old days with threads like “Rolex vs Omega” was a lot more heated than anything today. Everyone left that thread with a bloody nose and missing teeth.

[bob78h]

I personally like the 11.


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[Jackie Daytona]

I prefer 5 digits overall. But between the two references cited I definitely prefer the 12 series. The 11 was just a bit too blocky.

I’ve always liked the LV. For me the 5 digit I didn’t care much for the maxi dial in the smaller case (although in person it’s not too bad and admittedly pretty cool), the 11 series was just too green and IMO just looked a bit toyish because of it. The 12 series LV with the dial back in black, and a slightly larger case than a 5 digit to sort of balance out the maxi dial is about the perfect LV variant to me. Although I do wish the indices were ever so slightly smaller… I feel sometimes the round of the indices looks bigger than the round part of the hour hand and it sort of bugs me, but to me it’s the best yet proportionally since the 5 digits.

[csaltphoto]

Admittedly I don't like much about the 6 digits. I don't like the ceramic bezel and the way the pip sticks up just asking the knocked off. The slab sides and sharp edges. The bloat that took over everything; case, face, hands... Just a loss of refinement in looks. The clasp is so large because (for the sub at least) they had to incorporate enough adjustment to make it functional as a dive extension instead of the more elegant Tudor solution of a small, folding dive extension and a smaller, more reasonable clasp. I can't argue with sales and popularity but just prefer the looks of the 5 digit. I also prefer the more integrated look of the 5 digit clasp but will concede the dive extension is close to useless and adjusting the fit takes a sec with a toothpick.

[SLWoodster]

I don’t think it was “ruined”. The watch is more jewelry than tool watch for sure. The price, the distribution methods, the refinement, the branding have all advanced it to this stage over the last 25years.

It happened most significantly between 116610 and 126610.

I have them. I feel they are too large, too shiny, too expensive. But hard to pull the trigger on an old one at similar price bc I actually go “sub-marine” with them.

Would have preferred a 38-39mm model, thinner, less shine polished, basically more tool like and for it to stay below $5000. Love love love the bracelet refinement. End links are no longer loose. And come on, the glidelock is world class. But really we are all hauling around deep sea dwellers at 41mm when compared to the 80s and 90s.

lol, a man can dream can’t he?

Originally Posted by rockysw

Is it me or there are others who do not like the case shape and bracelet of the latest gen (126610) sub? Most reviews etc overwhelming seems to be favout the updated model.

I have the 126610LV for almost a year now. For me the the color of the bezel (mk2) has been the main attraction but with time i have started to focus bit more on the other elements of the watch (like case and bracelet).

I feel the case on the new feel bit too vintage inspired. I for one dont mind bit more modern styling. And I also think I prefer the 20mm bracelet of the last model.

Does anyone else think the same?

[KatGirl]

I’ve never handled or tried on the 11 series, so could only give my take on the 12. I wish I still had my 5 digit Sub. Maybe I need to find another.

Kat


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[Scottyboy]

I love my 124060, but like most things we obsess over, there are a few things I'd change.

1. I'd keep everything same regarding case and lug shape, but I'd trim down the case to 39mm. I'd also change the bracelet width to 20mm at the case, and 1mm narrower at the clasp, clasp obviously to match.

2. I would swap the 3230 for the 3130 movement.

3. I would like Rolex to include a rubber strap alongside the wonderful Oyster bracelet, like Tudor does for the P39.

[Neil McCauley]

In honour of this conversation, I've taken a bullet today and decided to wear my "terrible" "ruined" "awful" 126610LN... what an idiot I must be to not be able to see how disgusting it is, I hope no one sees me wearing it.

[Scottyboy]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

In honour of this conversation, I've taken a bullet today and decided to wear my "terrible" "ruined" "awful" 126610LN... what an idiot I must be to not be able to see how disgusting it is, I hope no one sees me wearing it.

Just to add insult to injury, you're wearing it on the wrong wrist too!