Doctor Steals Dying Man's Rolex

[WJGESQ]

Think about this the next time you rise in support of tort reform.


So much for a bedside manner.

[rob]

If this is true,...sad so sad! I had a patient that we worked on for hours, had a rolex with cocacola on the dial. He passed on, all I could think about was how he said that when he died his son would get his watch! I thought how proud his son would be to wear it!

In this case if he ever stated to one of his children that they would get the watch when he passed on, they would resent that watch!

What a heart breaking story to read, for all of us who rejoice when we save a life, and cry when we loose one after fighting to save it!

I worked at a Catholic Health Care West Hospital, this is not a reflection of what they do, nor the Department that that Doc worked in!

This is just one person that obviously had his priorities in the wrong place and let ignorance go to seed.

It makes me wonder what else he has done.

I'm sure he will now have plenty of time to think about it!

If the Gentelman that is no longer with us, was prior law enforcement, and he goes to prison, ut ohh!!! He might just fall down some stairs! This former Doc needs some prayer!

[rob]

After reading the story, I have to believe this MD did all that he could to save this man's life. I have to believe that the ER staff did all they could. If an MD doesn't follow guidlines, ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) than I'm sure a RN called a code blue and all involved did what they should have done. All and all I have to believe that everone involved did what they should have. After the fact this MD (if he did what was stated) let greed get the best of Him.

Let me play the devils friend, say during administration of CPR someone takes the watch off to start an IV, say they don't like the MD, stick the watch in his lab coat while he is doing CPR. After it is said and done, the MD documents all that happens in the patient's chart, you try to digest everything that just happened. You get up to go tell the family what just happened, you realize that the patients watch was stuck in your lab coat, and the officer on duty is coming towards you and states he wants to search you. You reailize that you have just been framed! You refuse and leave the ER to get rid of the watch so you don't loose your job and get framed!

Far fetched, but what if that were true? Say the nurse starting the IV dated him and he broke up with her and this was payback?

Anything could of happened, say he was not guilty! Say you were the Doc, and you didn't do it! Wow! This I do know, if he is not guilty, shame on all of us for convicting him before his trial. If he is guilty, I feel sorry for his parents.

Most of all I feel for the patients family, they will never be at peace with the doubt casted surrounding their loss. Will they ever find peace? I pray they do.

Pray for justice and mercy!

[blackmsport]

I make sure I die with a Casio... leave rolexes to my kids

[rob]

Originally Posted by rkboyer911

Some people can run out and buy a Rolex everyday....IE most ER docs...Alot of us have to save and save to get one...... Why would you lower yourselve to steal one......I work with ALOT of ER docs and most of them even don't wear one.....let alone steal one off a dead man!!!!!!

Same here! It doesn't add up. Doc's in the ED, ER do well, it just doesn't add up!

I work in the Cardiac Cath Lab, I'm The Lead Cardiovascular Interventional Rad Tech and I make enough to buy a Rolex, Im positive that a MD in California makes enough to buy one.... It just doesn't add up.

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Think about this the next time you rise in support of tort reform.
So much for a bedside manner.

I'm really sad, and frustrated, to hear someone write that. One bad physician is alleged to have done something very stupid, which will rightly cost him his license, and you think tort reform is a bad idea.
You have no idea what the fear of litigation have done to the medical establishment in the USA.
By the way, if you follow the dollars, you will see that physician salaries, after overhead, represent only about 10% of health care costs. And, the salaries are NOT going up like the rest of health care costs over the last decade. If you cut physician salaries 10%, a significant and painful cut, you only make a 1% dent in the cost of healthcare. The politicians know that, but they're not ready to do what needs to be done to do something about the other 90%.
I would say more, but I don't want to get into politics.

[Z-Sub]

Originally Posted by mustangbrad

I hope he gets fired and prosecuted. A Dr. of all people. I don't have faith in doctors. They all are paid by the large cap drug companies. And the majority are persuaded to prescribe a particular brand over another to keep their compensation up. I rarely get any help or relief even when visiting a dr.

Agree with your first sentence.

As for the rest, I think you've heard other doctors told you the facts. Please know the facts first.

As for the very last sentence, what were you asking the doctor to give you? MS Contin or Percocets?

[Chuck317]

Originally Posted by rob

Same here! It doesn't add up. Doc's in the ED, ER do well, it just doesn't add up!

I work in the Cardiac Cath Lab, I'm The Lead Cardiovascular Interventional Rad Tech and I make enough to buy a Rolex, Im positive that a MD in California makes enough to buy one.... It just doesn't add up.

It does seem bizarre. I am wondering if perhaps there is an 'innocent' explanation or misunderstanding for what happened...

here's a speculative situation:

- He removed the watch to expose the wrist area for peripheral access (maybe there were no other apparent peripheral veins except one in the wrist area under the Rolex), or to do ABG, or whatever. (Although I'd have thought one might have preferred to take a more central approach)...

...there's a lot going on around him, with resuscitation equipment & stuff, no safe surface to put down the Rolex, so he puts it in his pocket for safekeeping without thinking...

...afterwards he absent-mindedly forgot about the watch that was still in his pocket, what with so much that had gone on & pre-occupying his mind... until the family realized the watch was missing & someone noticed the bulge in his pocket & challenges him...

... he realizes woops I've still got his watch, thinks oh my gosh, panics as he realizes uh-oh this looks bad... & in his panic he acts irrationally by attempting to dispose of the watch which makes things even worse by apparently confirming theft intent...

... obviously the family are distressed at Mr Kubena's passing... & direct their bereavement anger at the apparent theft of his watch by the doctor.

^An alternative explanation?

edit: Woops just saw you already thought of that in post #93

[rob]

Originally Posted by Chuck317

It does seem bizarre. I am wondering if perhaps there is an 'innocent' explanation or misunderstanding for what happened...

here's a speculative situation:

- He removed the watch to expose the wrist area for peripheral access (maybe there were no other apparent peripheral veins except one in the wrist area under the Rolex), or to do ABG, or whatever. (Although I'd have thought one might have preferred to take a more central approach)...

...there's a lot going on around him, with resuscitation equipment & stuff, no safe surface to put down the Rolex, so he puts it in his pocket for safekeeping without thinking...

...afterwards he absent-mindedly forgot about the watch that was still in his pocket, what with so much that had gone on & pre-occupying his mind... until the family realized the watch was missing & someone noticed the bulge in his pocket & challenges him...

... he realizes woops I've still got his watch, thinks oh my gosh, panics as he realizes uh-oh this looks bad... & in his panic he acts irrationally by attempting to dispose of the watch which makes things even worse by apparently confirming theft intent...

... obviously the family are distressed at Mr Kubena's passing... & direct their bereavement anger at the apparent theft of his watch by the doctor.

^An alternative explanation?

edit: Woops just saw you already thought of that in post #93

exactly!!!!!! This I can see happening! In the heat of a code blue! If he died in the ER, they had to code him. If not he would have gone to the Cardiac Cath Lab. St Joe's has a very good Cath Lab. I know, I use to work at one of their sister hospitals and the tried to hire me. This I can see happening very easy.

[nektar]

i cannot believe that the doctor lets the patient to die. I can believe that he stole his watch after he died. In this case, he needs procecution. In the other case that i do not believe... i really do not know

[pepemaui]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Think about this the next time you rise in support of tort reform.


So much for a bedside manner.

Comments like this make me realize this topic has just hit bottom, sort of like buying the enquirer.

[malolo]

It is really difficult to idenify he stole it or just kept it for the patient during operations. I think there should be a standard to show the reasonableness of the objective and motive that he put off the watch from the patient.

[Z-Sub]

Originally Posted by nektarios

i cannot believe that the doctor lets the patient to die. I can believe that he stole his watch after he died. In this case, he needs procecution. In the other case that i do not believe... i really do not know

I don't think anyone knows if this patient was left to die in order for the doctor to steal the watch. It's an allegation that has yet to be proven. But I think the stealing part was well documented.