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forza1976 · 10 October 2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Atl

I do not know if any of you here have taken Ambien for sleep, but I was posting while trying to get to sleep, and had taken my first Ambien. I did not recall even writing this post, until I noticed my computer was still open on this thread.

The apology was stand up... The excuse, not so stand up!

improviz · 10 October 2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by eleon2345

Agreed. I am not worried at all.

That being said, I just came back from Rolex Canada (it is just a quick subway ride from my office). She ballparked me $2500 for the following:

1. New Insert
2. New Crown + Tube
3. Polish + Service
4. New Bracelet
5. New Crystal

They did have their main watch repair gentleman (sorry, I don't know what the techincal term is and I can't remember what she did call him) that came out to see the watch. He was confident that it would come out looking as new. He mentioned the deep dents could likely be buffed in a way that would make them nearly unnoticable.

There you go: $2500 to fix it plus the $3400 you paid would put you at $5900, well above what you'd pay for a BNIB one, let alone the price for which you could get a high caliber used piece.

springer · 10 October 2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by STEELINOX

train wreck !
Refund.
The strap is gonna b $1200 new, used at least $600 for a decent one.
The rest is definitely an RSC job.

During a RSC service bands run around $500 or less.

ingoodtime · 10 October 2009, 11:03 AM

I once bought a Bose stereo system on the bay. The seller said it was brand new, not a factory refurb. he was in canada somewhere. I did the transaction and he got paid. the, I heard nothing for days, like three days. I kept sending emails and not hearing a thing. finally, he sent me the tracking number. I checked the package tracking and it said something like 27 lbs. The bass unit itself weighed more than that. I was now wondering if he actually sent me the full system. In the end, I got a full system but it was a factory refurb. Every piece in it was labeled as a refurb and, he had opened the box to make sure everything was packed fine before shipping. So, he knew it wasn't new as advertised. I posted that as a complaint on the bay and the seller said he would refund me 100 bucks. That was his posted response. Guess who never saw that 100 bucks folks? I still ended up saving about 350.00 based on the Bose store pricing of a refurbbed system, but, now no warranty so, hardly worth the hassle. iIwould never buy an expensive product on ebay again. I want to friggin touch and smell it before I pay for it. The exception is, some retail establishments also have ebay stores. If I happen to purchase at the retail store and find out their ebay name, that is a different story.

springer · 10 October 2009, 11:04 AM

Wow, I hate to see this. You're probably looking at around $1200 to repair the watch, maybe more. wouldn't waste a minute of their time at the RSC for an estimate, as you'll have way too much in it. A very nice 2000-2006 Seadweller can be found for the low $4000 range, complete with accessories.

The case is pretty beat up, which would bother me, as it would be polished heavily to bring it back, and most buyers want their cases all there with minimal polishing.

denisavu · 10 October 2009, 12:55 PM

I agree with JJ! Refund, what a POS, too much trouble for what it's worth. Who wants to wear an abused piece!

Whiskey · 10 October 2009, 01:23 PM

Hope you get your money back.

That watch looks like what most on TRF would call a "Beater".

What was the previous owner doing with it? It's all scratched up to s#$t!

Your estimates to restore this watch are not taking into consideration that the case may be compromised and water/moisture could have already entered and attacked the mechanism.

You'll end up spending another $3000 to get it up to snuff. Add this to your original purchase price and you could have bought a brand new one and still had money in your pocket.

Send it back ASAP!

kingblackbolt · 10 October 2009, 01:54 PM

That is such a shame! All the many faults you listed should have been carefully described and disclosed fully by the seller. I am glad that you used Amex to pay and it was done through Ebay at least you have some ways to cancel or chargeback if this scammer decides to give you a run around... what a POS!
Personally I will try to always buy from here on TRF as you you would not have to worry about a situation like yours.

bodybump · 10 October 2009, 01:58 PM

$3400 + $2500 = $5900!!! Nick you can buy a V series brand new for that!!!!! Get a refund!!! No question ask just do it!!!!! Oh boy why and why!!!!!??:bangh ead:

Rolesor · 10 October 2009, 01:59 PM

SOrry things panned out for you like that. I have my fingers crossed for you in hopes that you are happy in the end!

disco stu · 10 October 2009, 02:00 PM

I agree with what most are saying - REFUND!! There is still the as yet unaddressed issue with the engraved caseback. Now "good condition" may be subjective, but an engraved back NEEDS to be disclosed, so in my opinion this watch was misrepresented on this fact alone.

Sorry for your troubles.

Evergreen · 10 October 2009, 02:26 PM

Any chance of posting the link to the auction ? Or perhaps some pics of the item ? Thanks.

improviz · 10 October 2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Evergreen

Any chance of posting the link to the auction ? Or perhaps some pics of the item ? Thanks.

Yeah, I sure would like to see the item pics that were posted on ebay....

dkazaz · 10 October 2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eleon2345

I will keep you updated for sure. In this guys defense, so people do see watches like us (and thus, treat them like garbage). This may actually be "good" condition to him.

We will see what unfolds.

Pain in the a** to say the least, though...

I have to disagree with your point about the seller. The watch has been heavily misrepresented. Normal use and a polish mean something totally different. This is "heavily used and damaged in the exterior but probably repairable".

If you got this on auction, then the only way people would have bid that high is the seller neglected to show the damage and "talked up"the condition, hence misrepresentation. If you bought it with BIN, then it was overpriced and misrepresented.

The seller is "shocked"? Really? I'm shocked that s/he has the gall to say that. I would check at the ebay and paypal rules of resolution to make sure you don't allow too much time to go by. If you wait too long you lose your right to dispute and the seller is likely stalling for this reason.

Make the point that you expect a refund NOW and if they don't comply go through paypal and get your money back. Then get a decent 2nd hand SD that will keep you happy.

As for not giving out the name of the seller, bear in mind the sale was grossly misrepresented to start with. This is not an honest seller.

unclesallie · 10 October 2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dkazaz

I have to disagree with your point about the seller. The watch has been heavily misrepresented. Normal use and a polish mean something totally different. This is "heavily used and damaged in the exterior but probably repairable".

If you got this on auction, then the only way people would have bid that high is the seller neglected to show the damage and "talked up"the condition, hence misrepresentation. If you bought it with BIN, then it was overpriced and misrepresented.

The seller is "shocked"? Really? I'm shocked that s/he has the gall to say that. I would check at the ebay and paypal rules of resolution to make sure you don't allow too much time to go by. If you wait too long you lose your right to dispute and the seller is likely stalling for this reason.

Make the point that you expect a refund NOW and if they don't comply go through paypal and get your money back. Then get a decent 2nd hand SD that will keep you happy.

As for not giving out the name of the seller, bear in mind the sale was grossly misrepresented to start with. This is not an honest seller.

agreed! expose the bastid(as JJ would say)!

rolexsubdate · 10 October 2009, 09:54 PM

There is a diff between well used and abused. This watch clearly looks abused. It is only worth half of what you paid, if that. Ask for a refund and as soon as you get the $$, you pick up the watch and hit the seller on the head with it to knock some sense into him... also expose hi ebay ID so those of us with ebay accounts, we can send him nasty emails and he feels the pressure and we also want that bastid to be in the WATCHOUT section here at TRF .....you also need to contact paypal immediately because you want your discontent in writing ASAP ... the seller might stall like said above but all you can do is have your dissatisfaction on paper asap ..... I think paypal will give you back about $2000 ... the remaining balance you gotta fight with the credit card company....DO IT NOW!!! OTHERWISE THE SELLER WILL BLAME THE DAMAGES ON YOU!!!!

ROLEX MAN · 10 October 2009, 09:59 PM

Oh dear, don't know what I would do, but hey I've lost more in shares, I'd put it down to experiance and sell it for what I could get, even meaning a big loss!!

fujisan · 10 October 2009, 10:00 PM

Sorry for your bad experience. It is ridiculous and the Watch is far off the mark in terms of description. THe seller should take the Watch back and pay YOU a GRAND for wasting your time and trouble. Cheer up.

Submarino · 10 October 2009, 10:36 PM

I would suggest you return it and ask for a refund. If the seller gets difficult AmEx will take care of it for you. Don't worry. Too much work, hassle and stress for a junker. Get one in good condition and forget about sending to the RSC.

Christiaan · 10 October 2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullyterrier

The problem is everyone has a different view on good condition... I would not be happy with that well used dweller.

So mote it be Widows Son

Nice to see other "traveling men" on TRF

DWdrummer · 10 October 2009, 10:57 PM

What happened to that watch? What would you have to with a Rolex to make it look like that? How could anyone beat on a Rolex like that?

I have G-Shocks for beating on, Rolex watches are not for THAT kind of treatment.

Since the OP used a credit card then he is most likely going to be fine. That doesn't take away the disgust and disappointment however. For $3400 that watch should not look like that, not Rolex should in fact.

If I bought it for $2k usd or less and bought it KNOWING it looked like that, then that is different entirely. He clearly "misrepresented" the condition of the watch. Unless he is legally blind I dont see how he could describe that what as he did.

Sorry about this OP, good luck with everything.

WatchTimes · 10 October 2009, 11:17 PM

Please let us know what is going on.
I really do not understand why you are keeping the sellers name and auction hidden. I think we all would like to see the auction pics to see how he presented it.

datejust1 · 10 October 2009, 11:29 PM

Try Sending it to RSC Dallas or NY. They'll leave it like if it was new! But First call them up!
Keep us updated on the situation!

Gerardus · 10 October 2009, 11:32 PM

Yes keep us posted please, good luck with this situation.
Gerardus

AWATCH · 10 October 2009, 11:53 PM

Sorry to hear about your problem, as with the majority I would seek a refund if possible, I believe that your watch is going to be expensive to repair.
I was burned on an Ebay watch purchase once, not as expensive as yours, thank God, so I rebuilt the watch and wear it now on occasion to remind me; caveat emptor

Dr.B · 11 October 2009, 12:23 AM

I would be furious. Please don't hesitate...send it back and get your money back. Just thinking about it and looking at those picts makes my blood pressure go up.

Stop this theif!!!!

Carlos98326194 · 11 October 2009, 12:29 AM

MOTHER%&!@# of PEARL!!!

Even after service and TLC from RSC.. Can't imagine how can that POS can bring a smile into your face.

Some Pair · 11 October 2009, 12:33 AM

.....if not returnable. Certainly atleast $1000 back to you.
(if negotiable due to your forthcoming negative feedback for the Seller)

Hope ebay agrees with the misrepresentation findings.

I believe lack of "engraving" disclosure alone, should be reason for ebay's involvement in this matter. (JMO)
Keep us Posted & best regards.

cali kid · 11 October 2009, 01:06 AM

Send it back! Cant for the life of me figure out why you are protecting the seller? This person screwed you over and you're giving him the benefit of doubt! Out him to all so no one else gets taken in by this turd, with a watch in that shape i'm sure the seller isnt reading post on a rolex forum! Dispute the sale and do the right thing by letting other watch collectors know to stay away from the seller!!

surillious · 11 October 2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cali kid

Send it back! Cant for the life of me figure out why you are protecting the seller? This person screwed you over and you're giving him the benefit of doubt! Out him to all so no one else gets taken in by this turd, with a watch in that shape i'm sure the seller isnt reading post on a rolex forum! Dispute the sale and do the right thing by letting other watch collectors know to stay away from the seller!!

Totally agree here. It may save others here from making the same mistake if we know who to avoid.

10 October 2009, 11:04 AM	#95
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Wow, I hate to see this. You're probably looking at around $1200 to repair the watch, maybe more. wouldn't waste a minute of their time at the RSC for an estimate, as you'll have way too much in it. A very nice 2000-2006 Seadweller can be found for the low $4000 range, complete with accessories. The case is pretty beat up, which would bother me, as it would be polished heavily to bring it back, and most buyers want their cases all there with minimal polishing. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

10 October 2009, 01:54 PM	#98
kingblackbolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Ren Location: Toronto On Canada Posts: 1,886	That is such a shame! All the many faults you listed should have been carefully described and disclosed fully by the seller. I am glad that you used Amex to pay and it was done through Ebay at least you have some ways to cancel or chargeback if this scammer decides to give you a run around... what a POS! Personally I will try to always buy from here on TRF as you you would not have to worry about a situation like yours. __________________ “Hail to the king, baby" Ash (Army of Darkness 1992)

10 October 2009, 01:58 PM	#99
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,233	$3400 + $2500 = $5900!!! Nick you can buy a V series brand new for that!!!!! Get a refund!!! No question ask just do it!!!!! Oh boy why and why!!!!!??:bangh ead: __________________

10 October 2009, 09:59 PM	#107
ROLEX MAN 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: Home and Away Watch: you? "YES PLEASE"! Posts: 3,719	Oh dear, don't know what I would do, but hey I've lost more in shares, I'd put it down to experiance and sell it for what I could get, even meaning a big loss!! __________________ *it's not just about telling the time...* *happy rolexing...* I'm just a man with a passion

10 October 2009, 10:36 PM	#109
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	I would suggest you return it and ask for a refund. If the seller gets difficult AmEx will take care of it for you. Don't worry. Too much work, hassle and stress for a junker. Get one in good condition and forget about sending to the RSC. __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

10 October 2009, 11:03 AM	#94
ingoodtime "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,834	I once bought a Bose stereo system on the bay. The seller said it was brand new, not a factory refurb. he was in canada somewhere. I did the transaction and he got paid. the, I heard nothing for days, like three days. I kept sending emails and not hearing a thing. finally, he sent me the tracking number. I checked the package tracking and it said something like 27 lbs. The bass unit itself weighed more than that. I was now wondering if he actually sent me the full system. In the end, I got a full system but it was a factory refurb. Every piece in it was labeled as a refurb and, he had opened the box to make sure everything was packed fine before shipping. So, he knew it wasn't new as advertised. I posted that as a complaint on the bay and the seller said he would refund me 100 bucks. That was his posted response. Guess who never saw that 100 bucks folks? I still ended up saving about 350.00 based on the Bose store pricing of a refurbbed system, but, now no warranty so, hardly worth the hassle. iIwould never buy an expensive product on ebay again. I want to friggin touch and smell it before I pay for it. The exception is, some retail establishments also have ebay stores. If I happen to purchase at the retail store and find out their ebay name, that is a different story.

10 October 2009, 12:55 PM	#96
denisavu "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 31	I agree with JJ! Refund, what a POS, too much trouble for what it's worth. Who wants to wear an abused piece!

10 October 2009, 01:23 PM	#97
Whiskey Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada Watch: Deepsea Posts: 521	Hope you get your money back. That watch looks like what most on TRF would call a "Beater". What was the previous owner doing with it? It's all scratched up to s#$t! Your estimates to restore this watch are not taking into consideration that the case may be compromised and water/moisture could have already entered and attacked the mechanism. You'll end up spending another $3000 to get it up to snuff. Add this to your original purchase price and you could have bought a brand new one and still had money in your pocket. Send it back ASAP!

10 October 2009, 01:59 PM	#100
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,150	SOrry things panned out for you like that. I have my fingers crossed for you in hopes that you are happy in the end!

10 October 2009, 02:00 PM	#101
disco stu "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 87	I agree with what most are saying - REFUND!! There is still the as yet unaddressed issue with the engraved caseback. Now "good condition" may be subjective, but an engraved back NEEDS to be disclosed, so in my opinion this watch was misrepresented on this fact alone. Sorry for your troubles.

10 October 2009, 02:26 PM	#102
Evergreen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: W. Washington Watch: Blancpain FF norad Posts: 203	Any chance of posting the link to the auction ? Or perhaps some pics of the item ? Thanks.

10 October 2009, 09:54 PM	#106
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	There is a diff between well used and abused. This watch clearly looks abused. It is only worth half of what you paid, if that. Ask for a refund and as soon as you get the $$, you pick up the watch and hit the seller on the head with it to knock some sense into him... also expose hi ebay ID so those of us with ebay accounts, we can send him nasty emails and he feels the pressure and we also want that bastid to be in the WATCHOUT section here at TRF .....you also need to contact paypal immediately because you want your discontent in writing ASAP ... the seller might stall like said above but all you can do is have your dissatisfaction on paper asap ..... I think paypal will give you back about $2000 ... the remaining balance you gotta fight with the credit card company....DO IT NOW!!! OTHERWISE THE SELLER WILL BLAME THE DAMAGES ON YOU!!!!

10 October 2009, 10:00 PM	#108
fujisan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mr Fuji Location: Japan Watch: SDDS Posts: 143	Sorry for your bad experience. It is ridiculous and the Watch is far off the mark in terms of description. THe seller should take the Watch back and pay YOU a GRAND for wasting your time and trouble. Cheer up.

10 October 2009, 10:57 PM	#111
DWdrummer Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 954	What happened to that watch? What would you have to with a Rolex to make it look like that? How could anyone beat on a Rolex like that? I have G-Shocks for beating on, Rolex watches are not for THAT kind of treatment. Since the OP used a credit card then he is most likely going to be fine. That doesn't take away the disgust and disappointment however. For $3400 that watch should not look like that, not Rolex should in fact. If I bought it for $2k usd or less and bought it KNOWING it looked like that, then that is different entirely. He clearly "misrepresented" the condition of the watch. Unless he is legally blind I dont see how he could describe that what as he did. Sorry about this OP, good luck with everything.

10 October 2009, 11:17 PM	#112
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	Please let us know what is going on. I really do not understand why you are keeping the sellers name and auction hidden. I think we all would like to see the auction pics to see how he presented it. __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

10 October 2009, 11:29 PM	#113
datejust1 Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: G Location: N/A Watch: N/A Posts: 6,042	Try Sending it to RSC Dallas or NY. They'll leave it like if it was new! But First call them up! Keep us updated on the situation!

10 October 2009, 11:32 PM	#114
Gerardus "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Gerardus Location: often in the air Watch: ♕ Posts: 12,142	Yes keep us posted please, good luck with this situation. Gerardus __________________ ♕126610 ♕126333 ♕116300

10 October 2009, 11:53 PM	#115
AWATCH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: al Location: GEORGIA Watch: Explorer II Posts: 1,759	Sorry to hear about your problem, as with the majority I would seek a refund if possible, I believe that your watch is going to be expensive to repair. I was burned on an Ebay watch purchase once, not as expensive as yours, thank God, so I rebuilt the watch and wear it now on occasion to remind me; caveat emptor

11 October 2009, 12:23 AM	#116
Dr.B "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Fernando Location: North Carolina Watch: SS White Daytona Posts: 1,944	I would be furious. Please don't hesitate...send it back and get your money back. Just thinking about it and looking at those picts makes my blood pressure go up. Stop this theif!!!!

11 October 2009, 12:29 AM	#117
Carlos98326194 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Carlos Location: UK Watch: ing YOU! Posts: 1,121	MOTHER%&!@# of PEARL!!! Even after service and TLC from RSC.. Can't imagine how can that POS can bring a smile into your face. __________________ 16610 116400GV 116520W 00112 116710LN 16610LV 00292 116520B

11 October 2009, 12:33 AM	#118
Some Pair Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: seFl.byWayOfBklyn Watch: The Rollie's..... Posts: 609	"holy smokes!" .....if not returnable. Certainly atleast $1000 back to you. (if negotiable due to your forthcoming negative feedback for the Seller) Hope ebay agrees with the misrepresentation findings. I believe lack of "engraving" disclosure alone, should be reason for ebay's involvement in this matter. (JMO) Keep us Posted & best regards.

11 October 2009, 01:06 AM	#119
cali kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Trevor Location: Monterey Co. Ca. Watch: 16610, 16613, 024 Posts: 439	Send it back! Cant for the life of me figure out why you are protecting the seller? This person screwed you over and you're giving him the benefit of doubt! Out him to all so no one else gets taken in by this turd, with a watch in that shape i'm sure the seller isnt reading post on a rolex forum! Dispute the sale and do the right thing by letting other watch collectors know to stay away from the seller!!

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