HOROLOGY HOUSE FAKE ROLEX 116500LN Serial 357Q00K9

[kareemthedream33]

Originally Posted by simplyvl

Unless we see hard evidence from each of the allegation we need to keep our minds open and not come to conclusion.

There are a lot nasty people on the forum and in the real world who loves to add fuel to the fire by making fake accusations.

We're so far past that point with this one. He's guilty of at least a large portion of the accusations.

[DJRikki]

Originally Posted by Galaga167

Just a question. Why wouldn’t you use PayPal? Why directly wire money to anyone?

People wanting to avoid the high rates of paypal transactions probably.

[GrandMasterSeiko]

Originally Posted by Galaga167

Just a question. Why wouldn’t you use PayPal? Why directly wire money to anyone?

Paypal charge and arm and leg for receiving money that kind of money. EG: $29k transaction would give Paypal almost $1k. Do the maths, might be like 20-50k for a year for a guy like Chris. (it benefits buyers but sellers .....)

I'm only selling small parts using paypal but at the end of the month, they took out the huge chunk of money. So I would avoid it in anytime that i can. Especially with big transaction like this.

Also there are other things involved as well for using paypal that makes it more difficult then just a bank wire.

[Tritto]

Originally Posted by DJRikki

People wanting to avoid the high rates of paypal transactions probably.

Or sellers wanting to avoid any comebacks from the buyer if things aren't as they said.


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[Koolpep]

Originally Posted by Galaga167

Just a question. Why wouldn’t you use PayPal? Why directly wire money to anyone?

Unfortunately PayPal does not offer their full service in most of the gulf states for example. I can only use my paypal with my credit card. Not with my local bank account. I am bad at selling watches, tend to keep them all, haha but recently sold a Grand Seiko to a forum member but went through chrono24 for the whole handling of the transaction etc. for me, it was money well spend for peace of mind.

[HereForTheMemes]

Anyone know where the rep 116610LN he used for the Rep V Gen video went?
Did he try to sell it on as genuine?

[watchmavan]

So much to read here but there appears to be a lot of circumstantial and unsubstantiated comment being taken as fact. Personally I'd like to see some more "facts" released before the Lynch mob is let loose.


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[jimmytamp]

Those TRF members here who believe HH is innocence after all the facts, are you guys his “friends” or what? #chuckle

Good some of them are banned.


Thanks to Admins/Mods here


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[Rolzilla]

Originally Posted by APforlife

Full Cliffs From My Perspective Of It All:
-Please Note, I will of missed a couple things but this will be the best of my recollection of events/post's ive seen/read inregards to this matter.
-This post is purely my opinion/interpretation of events, not an attack on anybody

-Happy to be corrected if i have gone wrong anywhere, Reminder just recollection of what i've read.

-Seller does deal on Daytona $29k
-Buyer pays him
-Seller uses 'Toll' couriers
-Seller give's buyer Tracking ID
-Buyer check's tracking ID, doesn't exist
-Seller rings around, turns out it's not on the system or something
-Seller claims he has dashcam footage of him there etc
-Buyer at the time believes him in good faith & his well known reputation
-At this point Courier/Seller assume it's lost
-Seller say's he will contact 'Parcel Pro' to ask about the shipment
(Parcel Pro is a luxury item's insurer)
(Note: ParcelPro don't work with 'Toll Couriers' which was stated the courier of use)
-Buyer is patient as heck, this drag's out for 2-3months or so
-Buyer requests to have money returned
-Seller insists, just give me abit i can source you another
-Seller then claims he has another Daytona he can supply from his watchvault
-Buyer again ask's for refund so this can just be finalised and finished
-Seller insists please let me make this right or something if i recall properly
-Buyer then agree's to it, thinking maybe it was just bad luck
-More mucking around/delays
-Excuses for delays was he had to fly and help his family in the tragic bushfires that made headlines
-Buyer is sympathetic towards Seller, was very nice/courteous/sorry about the whole ordeal
-Fast forward, Finally delivery day comes
-Watch looked dodgy, Found to be FAKE (Refer to OP Posts for Pics)
-Buyer then tells Seller it's fake, wants money back
-Seller agree's for the refund after being threatened of legal/police action etc
-Seller insists on sending a decent chunk first, then paying the rest after arrival of his fake piece
-Buyer then get's his money back after what was 3+months?

-This thread get's made
-Several people start stepping up and speaking out about bad experiences/dodgy run-in's
-One of the other people who got tricked
-Show's us proof of chat he had with Chris showing the same excuse
(Excuse was something like this was his parent's house from the bushfire)

Picture's: (From another person who dealt with the same seller)


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Original Image:


Watches that've been mentioned in all this from my understand: Daytona, Rolex GMT, Blue Sky-Dweller, Silver Snoopy, Platinum DJ etc.

I don't know the full story of the other case's, there's several post's about it for those who want to have a look.

-Ever since being posted about, he has Deleted Facebook Account, Business Page, Apparently YouTube page is hidden or something, Instagram has gone private and blocking people commenting stuff.

-Also worth noting this post was made prior to the Daytona buyer receiving funds:


Reference to chatlog's where seller mentions using "Parcel Pro"



Parcel Pro Website:
No Toll Selection??


Here's a screenshot of someone else coming forward, Don't think they wanted to be shown publicly
-This was posted earlier in the thread somewhere-
-NOT my conversation-


Link to post from user: Louey001 (Who also has a story with the same seller)
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...5#post10335635

Link to post from user: Hzahh (Who also has a story with the same seller)
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...0#post10337930

-Please Note: This is intended to only inform other's, it's a summary of thing's discussed already by others and is purely my opinion only and interpretation of events and therefore may have information missing, anything incorrect happy to be corrected & this is not to intended to be defamatory in any means more just to help other's on the basis they could have illegitimate item's if they've had dealings with this same person/seller in question as this person seems to have a large following & sale history-

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

-Middle of June I gave Chris 28500 for Blue Skydweller with end of July delivery
-Early July I gave Chris 31200 for Silver Snoopy with October delivery when he returns from Europe
-End of July my Skydweller did not arrive
-Shipping issues with Fedex from Hong Kong he sad
-He claims package got stolen
-Has to wait for Insurance
-lot of bs.....
-In September he sad he will bring my Skydweller with Snoopy from Europe in October
-Waiting-already too much stress and anxiety
-when he arrives he sad customs took the watches
-lot of bs....
-waited for refund
-money back in pieces until mid December
-Still claims watches at customs and he will get it for me
-Before the fake daytona come live he ask me to hold a black daytona for him for some cash... it didn’t happen
-BTW in his pictures and videos was my Daytona what he asked from me to film it

Bump!

[lendlneil]

Originally Posted by proftobes

Uncut Gems 2

This is exactly what I’m thinking. Good movie, not perfect, but good.

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by tradermcduck

It's probably just him and his friends trying to limit damage.

This is which I believe, and those people might be the Admins/Mods on that Aussie FB buy/sell page...


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[jonski]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

Another victim....Another Perth member who gave him his Sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

He's using every possible excuse on this planet..

[jldmelb]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

So much to read here but there appears to be a lot of circumstantial and unsubstantiated comment being taken as fact. Personally I'd like to see some more "facts" released before the Lynch mob is let loose.


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You’re kidding, right?


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[Rolzilla]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

Another victim....Another Perth member who gave him his Sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

That is the lowest of the lows, wow.

[Koolpep]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

So much to read here but there appears to be a lot of circumstantial and unsubstantiated comment being taken as fact. Personally I'd like to see some more "facts" released before the Lynch mob is let loose.


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Once you read the thread and all the cumulated evidence already presented here, let us know what more you would need? Am really curious.

[gtulagan]

Man... that’s so unfortunate but I’m glad it worked out in the end


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[Mills_]

Originally Posted by gtulagan

Man... that’s so unfortunate but I’m glad it worked out in the end


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When someone sees 40 pages and only reads the first post.

[Claudio1989]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

This is which I believe, and those people might be the Admins/Mods on that Aussie FB buy/sell page...


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

How many times it has to be sad I am also a mod there and a victim...

[APforlife]

Sad to say it I hope authorities come after him, this started out as 1-2 people and now we're up to 10?!

Disgusting.

No suprise if his family/employers are awared...

If his gambling addiction is true and he's done this, it might be beneficial for them to know before he does more damage...


My opinion only, Not financial advice, speculation only and my interpretation of events only. Dyor.

[Claudio1989]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

So much to read here but there appears to be a lot of circumstantial and unsubstantiated comment being taken as fact. Personally I'd like to see some more "facts" released before the Lynch mob is let loose.


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There is more than enough evidence....

[gtulagan]

Originally Posted by Mills_

When someone sees 40 pages and only reads the first post.

That’s my bad I’m still reading. I got another post mixed up because I’m using Tapatalk for the first time


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[LordNantucket]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

If the guy truly has “huge gambling debts,” and his cash flow just got shut off, he may soon face far more serious consequences than losing followers on social media...

You come to me on the day of my daughter’s wedding?

[gtnator]

Daughter’s wedding? Where has this post gone? Who can tell me the cliff notes version?? I followed it earlier back when it still seemed normal.


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[Tritto]

Originally Posted by LordNantucket

You come to me on the day of my daughter’s wedding?

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[Danny83]

Had he just done strait business he could have made wayyyyy more money

[Oodles of Noodles]

Originally Posted by AMS1

Hi watch friends,

I'm a banker from Europe - I recommend the victims the following in parallel to engaging the responsible law enforcement agencies:

If you're living in Australia or even in the same city, go to "his bank" and ask for a chat with the branch manager. Tell him you got scammed by one of their customers and that you wired the money to the bank. Provide documents & screenshots as proof of evidence.

I'm pretty sure they'll listen as we once had a scammed person doing exactly this - Based on the information provided by that person we manually checked the account of our client and after reproducing his cash flow we submitted a money laundering suspicion message to the authorities in coordination with our Compliance Department the same day.

Most incoming money left the account to foreign recipients with suspicious reference texts and to various E-Wallets, often related to gambling websites.

24h later we blocked all his accounts and credit cards so he was completely excluded from any payment transactions. The positive account balance was impounded by authorities months later.

From reading the whole thread I wouldn't wonder if someone in Perth is actually a) trying to make some money disappear, via his bank account or b) trying to make some quick money with another shady deal, also via his bank account.

However, the above could possibly prevent it and I wish the victims the best!

New here but have been keeping up with this thread since early on. Just bumping this because it seems like a very sound option, and it's almost a guarantee that tracks are trying to be covered and money is trying to be moved and/or hidden.

[Oodles of Noodles]

Originally Posted by Danny83

Had he just done strait business he could have made wayyyyy more money

I know he had a variety of avenues for making money, but I'm curious: is there much money to be made in selling straps?

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by cpl

I have been reliably told that he sold another fake Daytona before this latest incident but the victim stayed quiet. I may have missed this information in the thread. So this was no accident and I retract what I said above.

The rumours of heavy gambling debts appear to be true which starts to explain a lot.

I don’t believe this.

I think now he doesn’t have anymore excuses and he used “gambling addictions” to get people pitty on him.

NO, he is a truly con artis
& scammers!!


Cheers...


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by GrandMasterSeiko

Paypal charge and arm and leg for receiving money that kind of money. EG: $29k transaction would give Paypal almost $1k. Do the maths, might be like 20-50k for a year for a guy like Chris. (it benefits buyers but sellers .....)



I'm only selling small parts using paypal but at the end of the month, they took out the huge chunk of money. So I would avoid it in anytime that i can. Especially with big transaction like this.



Also there are other things involved as well for using paypal that makes it more difficult then just a bank wire.

To me I consider paypal fee as my tax.


Cheers


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[MP5]

Originally Posted by gtnator

Daughter’s wedding? Where has this post gone? Who can tell me the cliff notes version?? I followed it earlier back when it still seemed normal.


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