32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

Anyway, better return to topic

Yes, see post #1159

[AntoMeRolexPassion]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Yes, see post #1159

I'm doing
I'm testing my Sub 126610LV in DU, 6U, 9U, 3U and DD positions.
I'm doing some tests starting from fully wondu, then after 12, 24, 36, 48 h at rest and around 70.
This is to record any changes in rate and amplitude in proportion to the power reserve.
Clearly i register rate, amplitude and beat error.
I'm jotting everything down in an Excel sheet (with Open Office) and once i'm done i try to resize the photo and post it.
Could you be interested in expanding the data collection to other watches of my friends on my Italian forum?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

I'm doing
I'm testing my Sub 126610LV in DU, 6U, 9U, 3U and DD positions.
I'm doing some tests starting from fully wondu, then after 12, 24, 36, 48 h at rest and around 70.
This is to record any changes in rate and amplitude in proportion to the power reserve.
Clearly i register rate, amplitude and beat error.
I'm jotting everything down in an Excel sheet (with Open Office) and once i'm done i try to resize the photo and post it.
Could you be interested in expanding the data collection to other watches of my friends on my Italian forum?

Very good.

More data from others is very welcome.

It should contain all required information:
Watch ref., caliber, purchase date, repair/service dates (if applicable), ..... not tons of text.

Please don't post pages of WatchTracker numbers!



A graph is sufficient to demonstrate timekeeping properties



As shown above, for April 2021, your Submariner 126610LV was running extremely well on your wrist.

[CharlesN]

I have just finished the data logging from full wind to stop in the 6U position on my 3135 movement

Just under 48 hour power reserve.

This is the log spreadsheet.

I hope saxo3 is reading this and I’m sure he will kindly produce one of his brilliant graphs.




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[CharlesN]

I have also been testing my wife’s Datejust with a 2235 movement

It came back from regulation at the RSC today and went straight onto the timegrapher.

It arrived from the RSC still running. On this spreadsheet you can see before regulation and after regulation results.

The X for before was -13.4
The X for after is +2.8

Thats certainly an improvement but can it be better ? Time will tell !




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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have just finished the data logging from full wind to stop in the 6U position on my 3135 movement

Just under 48 hour power reserve.

This is the log spreadsheet.

I hope saxo3 is reading this and I’m sure he will kindly produce one of his brilliant graphs.

Graph for 6U and DU (data from post #1188)

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have also been testing my wife’s Datejust with a 2235 movement

It came back from regulation at the RSC today and went straight onto the timegrapher.

It arrived from the RSC still running. On this spreadsheet you can see before regulation and after regulation results.

The X for before was -13.4
The X for after is +2.8

Thats certainly an improvement but can it be better ? Time will tell !

Your X (averaged rate) comparison before/after a RSC regulation is interesting.
The result looks good, but I don't know what one can expect for a rather new watch (2019) with a 2235 caliber.

Let's wait if a before/after service comparison for 32xx watches will be presented sometime in the future.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showpost...5&postcount=40
"I might post some stats as well in the near future, of 32×× watches before & after service."

I had presented the following one for my Sea-Dweller 126600.

[AntoMeRolexPassion]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Very good.

More data from others is very welcome.

It should contain all required information:
Watch ref., caliber, purchase date, repair/service dates (if applicable), ..... not tons of text.

Please don't post pages of WatchTracker numbers!

It was not my intention to do so.

I have almost finished completing the 126610LV data on the Excel file i have prepared for my forum.

Tonight I will ask my compatriots to participate with the same file, soon we will give you our news

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

I have almost finished completing the 126610LV data on the Excel file i have prepared for my forum.

Tonight I will ask my compatriots to participate with the same file, soon we will give you our news

Nice.
Why not sharing your data first?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

It was not my intention to do so.

I have almost finished completing the 126610LV data on the Excel file i have prepared for my forum.

Tonight I will ask my compatriots to participate with the same file, soon we will give you our news

Antonio,
I am really excited to see your data from your own watch so I can compare with mine
That will be very interesting for me
I hope it will be here very soon …….. Please.

[AntoMeRolexPassion]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Antonio,
I hope it will be here very soon …….. Please.

I promise

[saxo3]

Antonio,

Since you believe that on your forum you are better in collecting data than your overseas friends and have better ideas how to measure along the power reserve, then I leave you all to carry on alone on your forum

[r00t]

Both of my Rootbeer(2019) and SD(2017) on 32xx started to lose time (-10 s/d) after half a year, being perfect before. Both was regulated, in both cases rolex UK RSC left smudges/debris under the crystal. Disgusting user experience.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by r00t

Both of my Rootbeer(2019) and SD(2017) on 32xx started to lose time (-10 s/d) after half a year, being perfect before. Both was regulated, in both cases rolex UK RSC left smudges/debris under the crystal. Disgusting user experience.

Sorry to learn about your experiences!

The left debris is of course independent of the caliber, but more an issue with your UK RSC.

You own 'early' (2017, 2019) 32xx watches and it is interesting to see how the movements improved (or not) after RSC works.

Are the movement issues solved now?
A warm welcome to join here with some data.

[r00t]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Sorry to learn about your experiences!

The left debris is of course independent of the caliber, but more an issue with your UK RSC.

You own 'early' (2017, 2019) 32xx watches and it is interesting to see how the movements improved (or not) after RSC works.

Are the movement issues solved now?
A warm welcome to join here with some data.

If you need to disassemble the watch - there will be damage anyway. My plan was use them for good 5-7 years. If it’s full gold Rootbeer that was running +0.5 s/d - that hurts.

Looks like they changed barrels in both cases. It was definitely not just regulating. They disassembled movements (hands, dial etc). After regulating I have +1 and +2 s/d. When watches was new accuracy was under 1 second. Both watches was gradually slowed down to -10 s/d after half year of use before sending to service.

Is there any indication that problem was fixed in newly made watches?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by r00t

If you need to disassemble the watch

Is there any indication that problem was fixed in newly made watches?

Good morning "R00t:"

There is NO need to disassemblele the watch at all for any of the tests we are doing.

To answer your question , Yes, We do think Rolex have done something to make the 32xx more stable after then initial 6 months which is where the problemms started to show themselves.
We however do not know what they have done as Rolex are brilliant at keeping secrets.

When were your watches at the RSC ? Do you know which one did the work ? London or Kent ?

Do you have a watchgrapher ? If not I can thoroughly recommend you get one ... they are actually quite "Fun:" to use but be warned .. They are addictive ! Thankfully they are not expensive and can even be got from Amazon with next day delivery.

How long do the powwer reserves run for ?

Do you have an iPhone ? I can recommend an app called WatchTracker. Its a simple way of checking how your watch is behaving and only takes a very few seconds to use but it is better if you use it a few times every day.

Welcome to this discussion. If you can read the entire thread (I know its long) but its worth it.

[r00t]

Thanks Charles, I have timegrapher but it is not with me right now. About disassembly I mean that to fix the problem RSC need to disassemble whole watch (hands and dial at least). When you remove or install hands there is very high chance to scratch or smudge something or leave some dust. Let alone scratches on the case.

I dropped SD at st James’s sq but they sent it to Kent I think. Rootbeer I left directly at Kent right before all that coronavirus situation was emerged. It is always a lottery, when there is experienced watchmaker - you have chances to get the watch in a good condition, if it’s not - than basically everything can go wrong.

They don’t say exactly what kind of work was done but winding feels different now. I can speculate than problem was in clutch/barrel that slips and can’t hold enough energy.

[AntoMeRolexPassion]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Antonio,

Since you believe that on your forum you are better in collecting data than your overseas friends and have better ideas how to measure along the power reserve, then I leave you all to carry on alone on your forum

What i said should not be understood as a statement of our superiority, it was absolutely not my intention.
I said that we have a way of collecting data that is more attentive to the power reserve, you are more immediate.
That's all, it was absolutely not my intention to say that we are better than you, indeed we hope together with you to be able to understand the reasons for some malfunctions.

Hope i have clarified

As I promised, this is the data I collected on my 126610LV

Misurazioni Rolex calibri 32xx - Submariner 126610LV.pdf

[CharlesN]

Hi. I just looked at the data but I think something is missing ?
Do you have the full power reserve stop times in 5 positions ?
This is also interesting for the data collection
It is very important that full information only is used
If you look at my charts you will see that I measure at 2 hour intervals and after about 36 hours I start to do more until it is every hour at least.
This shows a lot
Once in 12 hours does not show the fluctuations which hides a lot of data.
Did you also take full data ?
Have your friends done full data before this ?
What data have you got from all of your tests in the past ?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

What i said

Can you please post your results as a picture here not just a link to a file.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

I said that we have a way of collecting data that is more attentive to the power reserve, you are more immediate.

So please explain in detail what your method is so we can possible run the same test at the same time and then get more meaningful data.
Data taken without a similar method can be very misleading. There should always be a base line to work along

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

I promise

Hello again

Are you doing you tests and monitoring in …
1) A noise free and controlled area
2) a temperature constant environment
3) a constant air pressure environment

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by AntoMeRolexPassion

I promise

Another question ……
Do you have access to an anechoic chamber ?

Doing the full 5 position and short 5 position full tests would be very interesting in this way.
You can compare results that way with no interference

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have just finished the data logging from full wind to stop in the 6U position on my 3135 movement

Oh dear ! What have I done ? And in Mid-Test as well !

I have just sold my 116610LN so I can not finish all the tests that I started on the movement It was a 31xx.

I am about to embark on measuring some other watches in my collection o see what strange behavior they may have that could be similar to the Rolex 32xx movement. That is if there is any similarty.

I will start off with doing the fast tests .. That takes about 1 hour per watch in all 5 positions.

The results will be along shortly I hope (Wife and weekend jobs permitting).

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have just sold my 116610LN so I can not finish all the tests that I started on the movement It was a 31xx.

Interesting.
You need another 32xx ...

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Interesting.
You need another 32xx ...

Yes,
But I want a White dial for a change.

I have 3 choices....

A white dialled GMT which is vintage. That will be VERY hard to find

Or a DateJust (126334) with a 3235 movement

Somebody recommended a White Dial Exp II (226570) That has the 3285 movement i think.
I dont know if that has been tested yet.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Somebody recommended a White Dial Exp II (226570) That has the 3285 movement i think.
I dont know if that has been tested yet.

216570,same thing ,with a 31XX movement that doesn't need testing .

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

216570,same thing ,with a 31XX movement that doesn't need testing .

For the sake of this thread and research we test almost every movement fespecually from the 31xx and 32xx collections.

the 32xx are particularly interesting but the testing will take another 6 months at least to see if Rolex have corrected anything and if so what they have corrected.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

216570,same thing ,with a 31XX movement that doesn't need testing .

Exactly!

The Explorer II Ref. 216570 (3187) is a wonderful watch, either with a black or white dial.

My wife had chosen this one.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Yes,
But I want a White dial for a change.

I have 3 choices....

A white dialled GMT which is vintage. That will be VERY hard to find

Or a DateJust (126334) with a 3235 movement

Somebody recommended a White Dial Exp II (226570) That has the 3285 movement i think.
I dont know if that has been tested yet.

Charles,

Somebody?

Get the Explorer II Ref. 216570 (3187) with a white dial.

Movement data were given already in posts #414 and #1189.

Then you can forget your (Chinese) timegrapher and start to the next level, a precision measurement.

Btw, my friend, the 3285 has been measured for two GMT-Master II (CHNR, BLRO), several results are in this thread.