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4 February 2020, 09:38 AM | #1 |
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Just seeing this now....saw Horology House come across my feed the other day but thought maybe it was someone different, pretty surprised but then again...it is the internet.
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4 February 2020, 09:43 AM | #2 |
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It's sad to see this happen but with Daytona's in such high demand even among non watch guys and the watches fetching twice retail, it’s too tempting and quite frankly too easy for the unscrupulous types to get away with this. I know a handful of guys with high end watches like Patek, Rolex, AP, etc., and most of them would not be able to distinguish the difference between the authentic and a really good Chinese fake, especially the Rolex fakes. Aside from knowing the watches are expensive and whats considered the top brands, they know very little about the company, details, and craftsmanship of the brand they are buying, they just think if you have some money you should own “x” brand watch. Same goes for cars and so many other luxury items. People see someone on social media with something and now they must have it too. I have often wondered how many people I see wearing a Rolex are actually wearing the real deal. There have been so many times I have seen someone wearing a Daytona or Sub and make a generic comment about their specific watch or brand in general and they look at me like a deer in headlights and have no idea what I am talking about. With so many companies making such detailed counterfeits of luxury items this is only going to get worse. Its even more important now to do your homework and buy from someone you trust. Unfortunately, it’a also getting harder to find people you can actually trust.
Now for the HH guy, I just felt like there was something about him that didn’t smell right after watching a few of his videos. For some reason it just really stood out as odd how he would constantly look down and away while talking into the camera during his videos. He just came across as disingenuous to me. |
4 February 2020, 10:17 AM | #3 |
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This kind of deception isn't just spur of the moment, it is high level that take years of training and planning and design to work all the angles. It is not the result of an addition unless that addiction is an addiction to greed.
We know a good amount of information on this activity now but there would be a vast amount of unidentified activity such was the skill and engineering that went into this facade.
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4 February 2020, 10:48 AM | #4 | |
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And before 2005 it would have taken a decade to build up some credibility to have people wire funds on a hope and pics. Still think there's more doing it and more victims who don't even realize it. Its simply way too easy money and many well heeled would be too embarrassed to report being duped. |
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4 February 2020, 10:25 AM | #5 |
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Op has all the information it’s 12 victims so far.
Also just for information the guy who received the call yesterday about the gambling addiction he gave a Chris 17k for an SD4K in November. He is also a moderator in Australian Watch BuY Swap and Sell like me. He doesn’t want his name all over the he internet he only wants to use the evidence in legal action. As I sad OP has it and he is also in contact with him |
4 February 2020, 10:34 AM | #6 |
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I imagine anyone reading along doesn't need a yt video to clarify anything. It's pretty well layed out here.
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4 February 2020, 10:46 AM | #7 |
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I’ve been a member of AWBSS and AWF for around 6 months now, bought and sold multiple pieces through there with quick, trouble-free transactions, none of which were with Chris. Firstly, thanks to the mods here for letting the discussion go on.
Seeing the first post from OP came as a real surprise, having seen Chris’ presence on both FB pages and YT content, I saw he was one of biggest players in the Australian watch community and right up until that point, naively saw him as the most trustworthy person to potentially buy off, given how he had made himself a public figure within the community. After seeing OP’s original post, I went in with an open mind thinking there has to be another side to the story. After getting about a quarter of the way through the WhatsApp logs I was confident in stating Chris is just an utter piece of sh*t. After keeping up to date with the info coming in, reading every post and each detail of his previous transactions, I feel like some are getting a little carried away on some of the details and want to reiterate a few points; So far, as far as I’m aware, there is one fake piece that is confirmed and no evidence, yet, to suggest there is a second fake piece. On top of that, there is the discussion of whether he knew it was fake or not - Chris’ response in the WhatsApp logs when the buyer questioned its authenticity was incredibly damning. If he didn’t know it was fake, I don’t believe he would have reacted like that, he would have immediately questioned the buyer and suggested the buyer had done a bait and switch, instead of just conceding and offering a refund. This suggests he knew exactly what he was doing and I believe there is a plausible explanation for him doing so - Chris knew the buyer was in Bahrain working for 6 months, so by shipping the fake piece to his family, he was buying himself potentially several months more time until the watch was taken to Bahrain by the buyers family. The way he conceded so quickly on it being fake and offered a refund suggests it was most likely another delaying tactic, not a genuine attempt to bait and switch the sale and profit off a fake piece. Of course, I could be wrong on that, but we will never know for sure if it did get him a few months extra, whether he would have refunded once the buyer realised it was fake or whether he would have turned on the buyer and suggest they were scamming him - hopefully more info will come to light that makes it clearer. There have been multiple posts ‘to those still defending Chris….’ - I’ve read this entire thread and haven’t seen a single person defending him since the evidence has become overwhelming on about page 2. There have been questions on motives, suggesting gambling debt etc., which have been taken by some as an excuse for his behaviour. Trying to understand the reasoning behind his actions is in no way condoning his behaviour or an excuse, it’s simple trying to understand Chris’ actions, because at this time we have no idea what drove him to this situation. If it is gambling addiction, that doesn’t make it any better than if it was done simply out of greed, and I haven’t seen anyone suggest otherwise. Going after and implicating other social media personalities and mods has got a little out of hand and is incredibly unfair IMO. We can now look back with the benefit of hindsight and say how could anyone have ever stood up for him, but right at the start I think the mods had a duty of care to make sure the evidence was overwhelming prior to taking actions. I believe the decision to suspend comments on the FB post was justified until Chris had the chance to explain himself which he eventually did in an amusingly trivial way, and I repeat, what a piece of sh*t. B&J explained previously that Chris called him shortly after the original post outing him and tried to explain/cover his tracks - clearly, the piece of sh*t was trying to pull the wool over not only the communities eyes, but those who classed him as a mate as well. I don’t think throwing unsubstantiated claims at other YouTubers and mods is fair or helps in any way. This falls squarely on Chris' head, not anyone else. I’d also like to finish by saying, what a piece of sh*t! |
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4 February 2020, 11:00 AM | #9 |
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For some reason, he has re-instated his instagram content today. All the posts are back up but comments still disabled. I wonder if he is considering making an announcement...
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4 February 2020, 11:06 AM | #10 |
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My bad was looking at #horologyhouse
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4 February 2020, 11:13 AM | #11 |
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I can't see any picture of a burning house? Profile pic is the same as it was before and the most recent post is still the original announcement about the replica. Hasn't been updated in any way from my view, just reactivated. Yes messaging is on.
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4 February 2020, 11:22 AM | #12 |
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Edited my post. Was looking at the #horologyhouse IG page by mistake. I'll get my coat.....
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4 February 2020, 11:39 AM | #13 |
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I have spent the morning reading this whole thing, trying my best to understand some of it.
Now my head hurts. |
4 February 2020, 11:08 AM | #14 |
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4 February 2020, 11:17 AM | #15 |
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I just saw that
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4 February 2020, 11:04 AM | #16 |
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Edit: double post
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4 February 2020, 11:05 AM | #17 |
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Has no one noticed he is terrible at keeping phones? Surely that's where all the money has gone! He keeps losing them every week and they're not cheap to replace!
Seriously though he can't keep quiet much longer, he has to come out and face the music. |
4 February 2020, 11:19 AM | #18 |
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I'm out of popcorn.
Back in 15... |
4 February 2020, 12:13 PM | #19 |
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4 February 2020, 11:21 AM | #20 |
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People are still coming forward atm. But here is a confirmed list of people that will be apart of our legal proceedings. Highlighted sections, are people still looking for proof to confirm their story. Sadly many of the victims had already given up hope and just wanted to move on with their lives. Can you imagine the stress this has caused to the victims and their families.
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HOROLOGY HOUSE FAKE ROLEX 116500LN Serial 357Q00K9
Hi guys, I have been through every single post on the matter of Chris Essery and have decided to chime in with my story as there is irrefutable evidence now
Without prejudice, here is my story. In June 2019, I advertised in AWBSS looking for a Rolex Pepsi gmt with a budget of 25k. I had a few people get in touch with me regarding prices but none had reached my budget. Chris Essery got in touch with me a week into my search and told me he could provide me brand new one from his supplier for 25k with a 6 week wait. Without a thought I transferred him 25k in cash the very next day broken up into 2 parts, a transfer of 17k and a further transfer of 8k. A number of factors went into my transfer without a moments thought. 1. have met him before 2. Admin of awbss 3. Horology house 4. Seemingly massive clout in the industry. Unlike most of you , I didn’t bother him about anything till mid July. Mid July I asked him for an update about whether he would be able to get it before august to which he replied very possible. Coming to the last week of July he pushed it to august, he asked for a few more days. First week of august tracking number on his end showed that it was stuck with Fedex. ( his words) 6th august, he told me his supplier had a shipping issue and was waiting on a reply from fedex. Request for screenshot of tracking was ignored. 8th august, still trying to locate the package, supplier in the meantime is “searching” for a new piece for me. 10th august, no reply, I express my concerns, I ship quite a bit with fedex and have never experienced this. Response on 10th august, package with fedex is lost, another gmt Pepsi is offered Or a refund. A refund is preferred unless a Pepsi is delivered within a week. Random conversation in between 20th august I press for the refund again. 23rd august he tells me funds are inbound from overseas supplier. 28th august he mentions funds should be in tomorrow. 1st sept, a transfer of 12.5k was supposedly done. 2nd September was informed that the amount was sent to the wrong account and as such will be further delays to getting my refund ie receiving them back from the wrong account and re routing them to my account. 4th sept first lot of funds of 13k received With promises for the remaining to be sent to my account shortly after. 9th September / my wedding day Concerned with wedding costs I pressed again for the full refund. Irritated at the situation I have a go at Chris politely and press him to send funds in full. 7k is sent that day and another 5k sent on 12th September. Total period to reclaim all funds around 2.5 months. Unfortunately it was a shitty situation and I was lucky to receive my funds back. That being said I learnt to be a bit more wary about who I transfer funds to. |
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1) You don't know which sales were kosher and which weren't. Could have been a schill buy and feedback ploy to build trust. 2) Admins rarely get into the how's people make their money on forums. They typically know just as much as the other members unless there's personal relationships. And if there were, then the Admins should have made enquiries on behalf of their platform as he was clearly using it to boost his profile by association. 3) You don't know if he owned the watches for sale. 4) Desperation is desperation. Opportunity is opportunity. Combined here makes a perfect storm. I hear what you're saying but I think its pretty clear what was happening based on the shared communications and the mass ghosting. Most people who are accused of such things try hard to get infront of the issue. |
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This. Is. Wild.
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4 February 2020, 01:12 PM | #30 |
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It’s easy to Look at the big picture and make assumptions.
But not all of you knew him personally. Had I known that my case being one of the first was the start of the fk arounds I would have reported earlier. That being said I only want the truth and facts to be known. Majority of the people here are not on the forum as often as some of us and are making assumptions based on evidence presented here. Still not defending him , if you want to bury him be my guest. I have a soft spot as he assisted me when I needed it most so my apologies if I come off as jaded. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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