JJ's Observation About the "Hulk"

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

On the back of the SS/Pt. YM dial, it clearly states 950 Pt. - which means the Platinum is 950 excellent grade Platinum.

No one has yet flipped over the dial of the new GREEN Sub to ascertain whether there is a hallmark or not!!

JJ

Correct..but that is NOT a UK hallmark

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Dannyy

Correct..but that is NOT a UK hallmark

I'm not sure what a UK hallmark of Pt. looks like, but the question is why would the Swiss be bothered about putting on a UK hallmark or, for that matter, any other hallmark on a product manufactured by THEM!!??

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I'm not sure what a UK hallmark of Pt. looks like, but the question is why would the Swiss be bothered about putting on a UK hallmark or, for that matter, any other hallmark on a product manufactured by THEM!!??

Because to sell their product in the UK..its the law??

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Dannyy

Because to sell their product in the UK..its the law??

Well, I didn't know that. And that's probably the reason why they print "yellow metal" in their description of the TT models instead of 18K gold which it is.

Only for the FULL GOLD models with the 750 mark do the UK price lists mention 18K gold.

JJ

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Well, I didn't know that. And that's probably the reason why they print "yellow metal" in their description of the TT models instead of 18K gold which it is.

Only for the FULL GOLD models with the 750 mark do the UK price lists mention 18K gold.

JJ

CORRECT!..so why now do they call this new dial gold????????

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Dannyy

CORRECT!..so why now do they call this new dial gold????????

64,000 dollar question, Danny.............and that's exactly what we are all wondering about!!

I only know one thing - Rolex will NOT use the word GOLD or PLATINUM in vain unless they mean business............so that's why I'm assuming that the dial is 18K Green Gold.......and that would also account for the EXTRA charge of US$500 in price over the SS version!!

With today's technology, GOLD can be obtained in any colour you want and still maintain its 750 (18K) purity. The rest are alloys of different blends to obtain the colour you desire.

JJ

[ethangill]

It's only for marketing green gold has only speckles of gold mixed in the alloy material of the dial which is mostly steel a few speckles of real gold means they can use the term in their marketing and branding ( I'm a marketing consultant by the way ) even 0.000001% gold means you can say green gold it's not a gold dial by any means. End of story they won't announce the %gold because it's speckles it's so small it's just steel, aluminium and some others to get the green color a few speckles of gold and wow you have turned base metal to gold in the eyes of the public. Rolex are not alchemists they havnt discovered how to turn metal to gold erm I mean green as in blackadder it's hilarious if it's on blackadder but if Rolex did it people think wow it's gold lol funny tho hearing the posts on this topic

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by ethangill

It's only for marketing green gold has only speckles of gold mixed in the alloy material of the dial which is mostly steel a few speckles of real gold means they can use the term in their marketing and branding ( I'm a marketing consultant by the way ) even 0.000001% gold means you can say green gold it's not a gold dial by any means. End of story they won't announce the %gold because it's speckles it's so small it's just steel, aluminium and some others to get the green color a few speckles of gold and wow you have turned base metal to gold in the eyes of the public. Rolex are not alchemists they havnt discovered how to turn metal to gold erm I mean green as in blackadder it's hilarious if it's on blackadder but if Rolex did it people think wow it's gold lol funny tho hearing the posts on this topic

Sorry, cannot agree with any of the above.

First off, if Rolex can produce Everose (pink) gold on their own, I see no reason why their scientists and research people cannot produce gold of any damned colour they want.

Secondly, how do you justify the price difference of US$500 for a few speckles of gold?

Assuming the dial is in fact 18K Green Gold, I'm sure the dial would not weigh more than 5 grams max. And what would 5 grams of 18K gold cost Rolex? Bugger all!! So, they still come up with a whopping profit on the difference.

I'm still pretty convinced that that dial is in fact 18K gold.

JJ

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by ethangill

It's only for marketing green gold has only speckles of gold mixed in the alloy material of the dial which is mostly steel a few speckles of real gold means they can use the term in their marketing and branding ( I'm a marketing consultant by the way ) even 0.000001% gold means you can say green gold it's not a gold dial by any means. End of story they won't announce the %gold because it's speckles it's so small it's just steel, aluminium and some others to get the green color a few speckles of gold and wow you have turned base metal to gold in the eyes of the public. Rolex are not alchemists they havnt discovered how to turn metal to gold erm I mean green as in blackadder it's hilarious if it's on blackadder but if Rolex did it people think wow it's gold lol funny tho hearing the posts on this topic

I also dont agree with the above..to sell any metal in the UK as "Gold" it has to have a UK hallmark (if its over 1g)...
Please can you give examples of other items made of metal being sold/marketed in the UK as gold without a UK Hallmark??

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by Dannyy

I also dont agree with the above..to sell any metal in the UK as "Gold" it has to have a UK hallmark (if its over 1g)...
Please can you give examples of other items made of metal being sold/marketed in the UK as gold??

Also green gold is nothing new..its been around for hundreds of years...although not quite as green as the dial!!

[ersnyder]

Just returned from my AD and no one there has a really valid explanation. Although, the managers have promised me they will get a firm answer from either Rolex USA or Geneva.

But, they did mention that Rolex does mount thin MOP and other materials (lapis, sodalite, etc.) on brass surfaces. And, they floated the idea that possibly this is such a thin sheet of gold that it does, in fact, weigh less than 1 gm (I mentioned Danny's comments about UK law to them) and not need a hallmark.

I didn't even think of asking the watch tech there to open the case and flip the dial to see what the obverse looks like. At this point of the discussion, I would have forked over some serious $'s just to get to the bottom of it!

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by ersnyder

Just returned from my AD and no one there has a really valid explanation. Although, the managers have promised me they will get a firm answer from either Rolex USA or Geneva.

But, they did mention that Rolex does mount thin MOP and other materials (lapis, sodalite, etc.) on brass surfaces. And, they floated the idea that possibly this is such a thin sheet of gold that it does, in fact, weigh less than 1 gm (I mentioned Danny's comments about UK law to them) and not need a hallmark.

I didn't even think of asking the watch tech there to open the case and flip the dial to see what the obverse looks like. At this point of the discussion, I would have forked over some serious $'s just to get to the bottom of it!

Thanks, buddy.......well said!!

[ethangill]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Sorry, cannot agree with any of the above.

First off, if Rolex can produce Everose (pink) gold on their own, I see no reason why their scientists and research people cannot produce gold of any damned colour they want.

Secondly, how do you justify the price difference of US$500 for a few speckles of gold?

Assuming the dial is in fact 18K Green Gold, I'm sure the dial would not weigh more than 5 grams max. And what would 5 grams of 18K gold cost Rolex? Bugger all!! So, they still come up with a whopping profit on the difference.

I'm still pretty convinced that that dial is in fact 18K gold.

JJ

there's no telling people who dint want to be told the facts if you beleive it then sorry you are a fool. But continue to beleive it all you want if Rolex had a gold 18k dial they would not hide that fact dummy as a marketeer I'd tell everyone in my brochures, in my PR , my dealers, my customers wouldn't I or do you still think your correct honestly just watch this guy come back still claiming no it's gold honest it is I got a bar of green gold you can have it for 5000 bucks and I can make you up as many as you want lol

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by ethangill

there's no telling people who dint want to be told the facts if you beleive it then sorry you are a fool. But continue to beleive it all you want if Rolex had a gold 18k dial they would not hide that fact dummy as a marketeer I'd tell everyone in my brochures, in my PR , my dealers, my customers wouldn't I or do you still think your correct honestly just watch this guy come back still claiming no it's gold honest it is I got a bar of green gold you can have it for 5000 bucks and I can make you up as many as you want lol

Sorry, buddy.......your post makes no sense at all............and for an Englishman, your English is a disgrace to Queen and country!!

[ersnyder]

There's no doubt there is some "marketing" going on with this Ethan. But, there are laws and simple issues of integrity that I really don't think an international concern like Rolex would be willing to bend, let alone violate.

There's going to be an explanation for this that makes sense. We just have to get to the right people at Rolex to get it.

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by ethangill

there's no telling people who dint want to be told the facts if you beleive it then sorry you are a fool. But continue to beleive it all you want if Rolex had a gold 18k dial they would not hide that fact dummy as a marketeer I'd tell everyone in my brochures, in my PR , my dealers, my customers wouldn't I or do you still think your correct honestly just watch this guy come back still claiming no it's gold honest it is I got a bar of green gold you can have it for 5000 bucks and I can make you up as many as you want lol

any examples of other items made of metal being sold in the UK as "gold" with no hallmark??..just one will do..

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by ersnyder

There's no doubt there is some "marketing" going on with this Ethan. But, there are laws and simple issues of integrity that I really don't think an international concern like Rolex would be willing to bend, let alone violate.

There's going to be an explanation for this that makes sense. We just have to get to the right people at Rolex to get it.

My contention is pretty simple: ROLEX WILL NOT USE THE WORD 'GOLD' IN VAIN!!

[ethangill]

Originally Posted by Dannyy

I also dont agree with the above..to sell any metal in the UK as "Gold" it has to have a UK hallmark (if its over 1g)...
Please can you give examples of other items made of metal being sold/marketed in the UK as gold without a UK Hallmark??

Examples of products advertised with gold but absolutly no gold in them:
gold top milk
golden wonder crisps
gold blend
Marlboro gold
terrys gold
golden nuggets

need I go on lol

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by ethangill

Examples of products advertised with gold but absolutly no gold in them:
gold top milk
golden wonder crisps
gold blend
Marlboro gold
terrys gold
golden nuggets

need I go on lol

No are those made of METAL????????????
just one made of metal will be fine...not things that are obviously not gold.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by ethangill

Examples of products advertised with gold but absolutly no gold in them:
gold top milk
golden wonder crisps
gold blend
Marlboro gold
terrys gold
golden nuggets

need I go on lol

This is not only ridiculous, but purile as well.............and has absolutely no relevance to the topic on hand!!

And now I'm off to enjoy the rest of my Sunday with my grandkids!!

[ersnyder]

Enjoy JJ! I'm off to swim with the Hulk for the rest of my Saturday!

[ethangill]

Green gold: Unless one is familiar with the appearance of green gold, the term can be quite misleading. The green color, like rose gold, is very subtle. Green gold is best described as yellow gold with a slightly greenish hint (not a definite green) the rolex dial is a definate dark green therefore it is not green gold - coloured gold alloys combine silver gold and copper to get various shades you can at best only get a subtle green a dark green never in a million years from these 3 metals. Therefore to get a dark green a heavy other alloy combination is used the actual yellow gold can be minimal therefore. That's the facts couples with absolutely no marketing around an 18k dial or PR or advertising then the facts tell you the obvious - if your still adamant it's 18k gold then lord help you.

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by ethangill

the rolex dial is a definate dark green therefore it is not green gold

Green gold
"Green gold" redirects here. For the colour, see green-gold. For the Israeli figure, see Greengold.

Green gold alloys are made by leaving the copper out of the alloy mixture, and just using gold and silver. It actually appears as a greenish yellow, rather than as green. Eighteen karat green gold would therefore contain a mix of gold 75% and silver 25% (or 73% gold and 27% silver). Fired enamels adhere better to these alloys.

Green gold was known to Lydians as long ago as 860 BC, under the name electrum. Electrum is a naturally occurring alloy of silver and gold.[1]

Cadmium can be added to gold alloys in amount of up to 4% to achieve green color. The alloy of 75% gold, 23% copper, and 2% cadmium yields light green 18ct gold. The alloy of 75% gold, 15% silver, 6% copper, and 4% cadmium yields a dark green alloy. Cadmium is however toxic.


Any examples of a metal product sold/marketed in the UK as gold with no hallmark yet???

[ethangill]

golds gym - lots of metal in there
golden gate bridge - all metal


Lol

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by ethangill

golds gym - lots of metal in there
golden gate bridge - all metal


Lol

And they would both be for sale in the UK?...

[ethangill]

Yes you could buy a golds gym it's a franchise and some conman could sell you the golden gate bridge as the golden green bridge lol
you can also get in uk:
BBC uk gold - no gold
Golden girls- no gold but a daft comedy series bout 4old women
gold - popular 80s track
goldilocks and 3bears - paperback lol

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by ethangill

Yes you could buy a golds gym it's a franchise and some conman could sell you the golden gate bridge as the golden green bridge lol
you can also get in uk:
BBC uk gold - no gold
Golden girls- no gold but a daft comedy series bout 4old women
gold - popular 80s track
goldilocks and 3bears - paperback lol

Sorry did you miss the word METAL?

[Zed Homme]

Don't feed the troll...

I feel like I'm on a car forum....

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Dannyy

Green gold
"Green gold" redirects here. For the colour, see green-gold. For the Israeli figure, see Greengold.

Green gold alloys are made by leaving the copper out of the alloy mixture, and just using gold and silver. It actually appears as a greenish yellow, rather than as green. Eighteen karat green gold would therefore contain a mix of gold 75% and silver 25% (or 73% gold and 27% silver). Fired enamels adhere better to these alloys.

Green gold was known to Lydians as long ago as 860 BC, under the name electrum. Electrum is a naturally occurring alloy of silver and gold.[1]

Cadmium can be added to gold alloys in amount of up to 4% to achieve green color. The alloy of 75% gold, 23% copper, and 2% cadmium yields light green 18ct gold. The alloy of 75% gold, 15% silver, 6% copper, and 4% cadmium yields a dark green alloy. Cadmium is however toxic.


Any examples of a metal product sold/marketed in the UK as gold with no hallmark yet???

That is all excellent and useful information, Danny..............but I would be curious to know your source.

Thanks anyway, great stuff - JJ

[Dannyy]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That is all excellent and useful information, Danny..............but I would be curious to know your source.

Thanks anyway, great stuff - JJ

here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_gold