I am SOOOO tired of the whining about AD's who dont discount....

[oo7]

"Rolex will eventually be selling via rolex.com"

When pigs fly (on their own).

Rolex is a manufacturer first. Let the AD's deal with the headaches. They have the perfect business going... Why mess with it?

[HL65]

Anyone who doesn't want to pay full MSRP is a whiner who can't afford a Rolex in the first place!! Why would one want to save thousands by buying right here on TRF for example when you can pay an extra 20% plus to get the experience of buying from an experienced Rolex salesperson! Has everyone gone mad! Whiners!!! Just kidding---Happy Thanksgiving all!! This post is soooooo overdone--I think I want to whine about it a little! Perhaps we can follow it up with a M3186 GMT vs. 3185 discussion or better yet what an AD pays for a watch???? Nahhhhhhhhhhh Enjoy your Turkey Day instead!!!

[buz-lh]

I read every post on this thread and then had to go back and read the original because I became confused as to whether this was about AD's, the OP, semantics, or the lack of discouts given by AD's. After rereading the original post, I understand the OP is saying quit whining about not getting the discount you wanted from an AD. There are many sources for buying a watch and I've used quite a few of them. However, I truly enjoy the AD experience. I've not always bought from an AD because of various factors but I will pay a few dollars more for the ability to have someone in my corner if something goes wrong. An AD does have the right to price his products as he sees fit within the parameters set by the product's manufacturer. That said, just because his pricing doesn't fit your desires there is no need to rant and rave on a forum about it. I have come to the conclusion that I agree with the OP's original post and what I think was his intent. NO WHINING!

[EE33]

Originally Posted by buz-lh

That said, just because his pricing doesn't fit your desires there is no need to rant and rave on a forum about it. I have come to the conclusion that I agree with the OP's original post and what I think was his intent. NO WHINING!

Hi Buz, just wondering...if you lived here in Perth with 2 Ad's and a piece you wanted was listed at $33k(10% discount max) and at the same time you could obtain the same piece for $20k from a trusted seller here at TRF (Shipped & insured), what would you do?

[buz-lh]

Originally Posted by EE33

Hi Buz, just wondering...if you lived here in Perth with 2 Ad's and a piece you wanted was listed at $33k(10% discount max) and at the same time you could obtain the same piece for $20k from a trusted seller here at TRF (Shipped & insured), what would you do?

Well, the intent of the original post was "quit whining" when the AD won't do what you want. As I said in my post I've bought from many sources and for 13000 dollars you can bet your sweet petunia I'm buying from a trusted seller here, which is what I've occasionally done. My issue is not with the AD, the seller here, or a true grey dealer, I buy when and where it works best for me. I've got a great relationship with my AD but if he can't do what I want on a particular piece then I will look elsewhere. But I will not indulge in the AD bashing and whining when their business model won't let them do what I want.

[EE33]

Originally Posted by buz-lh

Well, the intent of the original post was "quit whining" when the AD won't do what you want. As I said in my post I've bought from many sources and for 13000 dollars you can bet your sweet petunia I'm buying from a trusted seller here, which is what I've occasionally done. My issue is not with the AD, the seller here, or a true grey dealer, I buy when and where it works best for me. I've got a great relationship with my AD but if he can't do what I want on a particular piece then I will look elsewhere. But I will not indulge in the AD bashing and whining when their business model won't let them do what I want.

Well said Mate.

[smallcandle]

I do find it mildly amusing and ironic that the OP has now started another thread on behalf of a new forum member looking for an AD in Chicago that willingly gives discounts. I understand the 'distinction', but I find it ironic nonetheless...

[rsg]

Whining about whiners........classic.

[train-time]

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[rfknauss]

I have found that if I get my checkbook out in front of the AD and say "OK, give me your best price on this Rolex, and if I like the price, I will write the check right now", they usually give me a nice discount.

[Earl]

MSRP we all know what that is..... just how many things do we pay actual MSRP on anyway? Granted Rolex is a luxury / tool watch but, a much higher end then say JLC or such. We are in a recession and the last thing I'm going to do is pay MSRP on anything hence go gray ! just my 2 cents :-)

[Casey VP-26]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone...... C'mon folks we all know when you pay without a discount , you are getting a better watch, they only give discounts on seconds.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by Casey VP-26

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone...... C'mon folks we all know when you pay without a discount , you are getting a better watch, they only give discounts on seconds.

And the ones at full MSRP are more accurate...

[Grissom]

Originally Posted by Casey VP-26

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone...... C'mon folks we all know when you pay without a discount , you are getting a better watch, they only give discounts on seconds.

Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

And the ones at full MSRP are more accurate...

You guys are TOO funny!!

Happy Thanksgiving to all........

[esm]

had a quick read through the pages.... and who doesnt want a Rolex and receives abit of discount? i would if i can everytime.

BUT - i have been buying all my watches from an AD and i enjoy the "personalised experience" from them. i only buy through a couple of ADs that i know/frequent, unless im travelling overseas and i find a watch i like and at a decent price.

i have thought about the online sellers, but i still can not bring myself to do that yet.

i still enjoy the fact that i can call or drop by to "fix" anything issues watch related.

my experience & 2 pence

[tictocChuck]

Originally Posted by esm

had a quick read through the pages.... and who doesnt want a Rolex and receives abit of discount? i would if i can everytime.

BUT - i have been buying all my watches from an AD and i enjoy the "personalised experience" from them. i only buy through a couple of ADs that i know/frequent, unless im travelling overseas and i find a watch i like and at a decent price.

i have thought about the online sellers, but i still can not bring myself to do that yet.

i still enjoy the fact that i can call or drop by to "fix" anything issues watch related.

my experience & 2 pence

Agreed, I prefer purchases with a good AD and salesperson that I've developed a relationship with over time. I've walked in & out over numerous AD's until I found a couple that offered the best overall experience and service.

Rolex watches are expensive to most of us folks, so I prefer to place my trust in an established AD. I just can't stomach wiring money for a "deal", but to each their own depending on your level of comfort. As well, it's nice to know you are buying a watch that hasn't been worn or handled outside the store (unknown history), but this is another topic.

Anyways, the original post about people "whining" for a discount was bound to invite a heated debate (perhaps intentionally so) which has been entertaining. All opinions are valid as long as it doesn't get personal or rude.

...and yes, I generally do get a discount from my AD when I politely ask. AD's can sell for less then suggested retail prices at their discretion depending on the market.

Cheers and a Happy Thanksgiving to those in the US.

[DG123]

If I am paying MSRP I want a sales person who gives me a professional experience. This includes the opportunity to buy a new, never worn, watch. For that I beleive the MSRP price is worth it.
Buying a shop worn watch from a hurried sales person is not worth MSRP.

[rpryan55]

Originally Posted by DG123

If I am paying MSRP I want a sales person who gives me a professional experience. This includes the opportunity to buy a new, never worn, watch. For that I beleive the MSRP price is worth it.
Buying a shop worn watch from a hurried sales person is not worth MSRP.

But I get new, never worn watches from ADs at a discount. Just because you get a discount does not mean that you are buying a shop worn watch from a hurried sales person. MSRP is no guarantee of good service, or of a perfect product.

Again, I don't get why anyone, in this economy, would be proud, or would come up with reasons to justify, buying anything at full price. I just don't know anyone in their right mind that does not buy at a discount.

[DG123]

The OP made the claim that AD's have overhead costs and it should not be surprising many AD's are reluctant to offer discounts.
My point was that if AD's expect to get MSRP they should provide a good selling experience. That means clean , organized display cases, patient salepeople, and factory fresh inventory. In other words, AD's should earn their MSRP.
As for you not "not getting why anyone would pay full price or be proud of it".
That's o.k., you don't get it. Believe it or not there are consumers who, for their own reasons, do not buy things on sale, and they are proud of it.
Other consumers, for their own reasons, want to haggle down price and negotiate for everything they buy.
The discount price consumer may call the full price paying guy a "sucker". And the full price paying guy may call the discount buyer a "cheap skate". But, there is no good reason for name calling. People have their own style for making purchases, doing what they think is right and what makes them feel good .

Originally Posted by rpryan55

But I get new, never worn watches from ADs at a discount. Just because you get a discount does not mean that you are buying a shop worn watch from a hurried sales person. MSRP is no guarantee of good service, or of a perfect product.

Again, I don't get why anyone, in this economy, would be proud, or would come up with reasons to justify, buying anything at full price. I just don't know anyone in their right mind that does not buy at a discount.

[Mr. K]

I prefer to buy from an AD, but have also bought a few that were used.

If it is a keeper, I like to be the first and only owner. Bought new from an AD. More expensive than an internet price? Sure. but worth it to me.

As for a discount at an AD, sure who would not want one? But if this is a watch that I will keep for many years (I hope 30-40 years) then I will not walk if I do not get an "internet" type discount.

[Gerardus]

Personally I want a good discount on luxury goods, not that i can not afford it (or what so ever).
IMHO ,that is my way of life.

[petesjag]

Usually my AD gives me a good discount. On my Daytona she wouldnt..I didnt whine, just had to accept it...thats my choice....
pete

[Pep04]

Originally Posted by petesjag

Usually my AD gives me a good discount. On my Daytona she wouldnt..I didnt whine, just had to accept it...thats my choice....
pete

That's my point. I got a discount on my GMTIIc, but this past weekend, they wouldn't discount the Green sub. No big deal. I understand. I am thinking about it and deciding between that and a 312. No whining.

[JBat]

And I'm pretty sure it's not the dealer who is responsible for declaring the taxes on an item shipped out of state, it's the person receiving it. They are, by law, supposed to declare that item on the tax return for the state they live in.

[thesmallwave]

I've asked my local AD Ernest Jones for a dicsount for Sub C black, but they can't do it.At the moment only Rolex with discount are the two tone, or gold.

[prismresearch]

For some of us, our culture and/or upbringing will not allow us to pay retail.......and don't talk to me about sales tax..........

[Jackxv]

Yessss... but while you are retired we have to solve the shit name Crisis caused by investment guys and bankiers.

So all we can do to buy a Rollie with lower paycheck is to avoid tax and push out the biggest discount out of the seller.



Nice day

[buz-lh]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

Yessss... but while you are retired we have to solve the shit name Crisis caused by investment guys and bankiers.

So all we can do to buy a Rollie with lower paycheck is to avoid tax and push out the biggest discount out of the seller.



Nice day

If you really research this crisis I think you'll find the governments around the world have more culpabilty than any private segment. I know for a fact in the US that is the case.

[Danand]

Wow what a long thread. Read every bit of it.
I bought from an AD since I'm new to rolex. However I shopped around and went with the ADThat treated me with respect, and when I bought I politely asked for their best price. The amount they took off was in my opinion fare ( a little over 13%) and I decided not to go for more. I'm sure had I bargained they would have come down a bit. But the lack of hassles was worth it. Not to mention I get great service from them. They sent my Montblanc pen to be fixed without charge, and a few weeks later called me up and offered me tickets to an NHL game with parking. Those two things alone were worth likely $400, or almost another 5%. I agree with those that argue that without b and m stores there would be problems. And I do like to be able to speak face to face with the AD In Case of problems.
Happy thanksgiving to all down south!

[Newportkrieger]

I am the OP of this thread. In retrospect I should have more carefully framed the discussion. That said, I am very surprised and disappointed to see the discussion become one of how appropriate it is to seek to save money or ask for a discount, many thinking I somehow endorse paying full retail/MSRP.

It was never my intent to imply that it was inappropriate or somehow uncouth to seek a discount/save money on a Rolex purchase no matter where you buy. I fully endorse getting the best price that you can on everything that you buy. I only spend my money if I think what I am getting is worth the price I am paying for it.

The point I tried to make was that many people here in TRF seem to feel ENTITLED to a discount from a storefront / retail Rolex AD and post here with indignation that a Rolex AD refused them a discount or shocked that when told the gray market prices, an AD does not simply match the gray market price.

A seller/buyer are entitled to the price they agree on and no more. If a seller does not sell you HIS merchandise at a discount that is the AD's prerogative. You have no right to one. Those who go to a brick and mortar AD and expect the same pricing as in Internet gray market seller are unrealistic and look foolish posting their disappointment of no discount here.

By all means ask for a discount. Do not be surprised if one is not offered. Bad mouthing an AD here in TRF simply because an AD feels their inventory is worth more to them than you is unfair and indicative of a total misconception of the nature of capitalism and the free market.

Get your best price, but don't expect it in all the wrong places.... AD's being outed for not offering a TRF members a discount or matching an Internet gray market price is old news.

Going to a retail Rolex AD and looking to pay gray market prices is as unreasonable as contacting a gray market/internet seller , telling them you are unsure about which watch you want and asking for them to send you the watch to try it on and see how it looks before you buy it. Quit trying to fit square pegs in round holes...

Happy Thanksgiving to all US forum members... and thanks to everyone who participated without personally attacking me or anyone else.