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Kingair · 14 March 2013, 01:06 AM

This one just arrived . . .

1425 HP

What a sound

HAGOne

Kingair · 17 March 2013, 02:15 AM

Try this . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdLxk9HHZ9M

HAGWe

AzPaul · 17 March 2013, 02:51 AM

Couple weeks ago, Davis Monthan was hosting a 'Heritage Flight Training' course. There were vintage planes in the air all week.

Right now, we're hosting some National Guard F-16's and the skies have been filled with thunder.

Kingair · 17 March 2013, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by AzPaul

Couple weeks ago, Davis Monthan was hosting a 'Heritage Flight Training' course. There were vintage planes in the air all week.

Right now, we're hosting some National Guard F-16's and the skies have been filled with thunder.

Love the sound of the AB's . . . . raw power

HAGWe

AzPaul · 17 March 2013, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

Love the sound of the AB's . . . . raw power

HAGWe

They definitely remind you they're around

The Joker · 4 April 2013, 12:19 AM

Went to Duxford Air museum this week, is an amazing place.

Picture tour here

Rockrolex · 4 April 2013, 01:09 AM

Great thread, gang. I've got to go back and look at the links I don't have time for right now.

jcd · 16 April 2013, 09:31 AM

I worked this PA28 a couple weeks ago.....

VFR pilot, that's what the plane looked like in flight.

Hopefully you can see the pic since I swiped it from an FAA site.

mikkibarry · 16 April 2013, 10:10 AM

Oh my. Just a bit of icing.

jcd · 16 April 2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mikkibarry

Oh my. Just a bit of icing.

Yessir. This is the only pic I could find. It's less dramatic than others. There was about an inch on the leading edge. It took 28 mins from first contact until we got him on the ground. This is one lucky man.

Kingair · 16 April 2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jcd

Yessir. This is the only pic I could find. It's less dramatic than others. There was about an inch on the leading edge. It took 28 mins from first contact until we got him on the ground. This is one lucky man.

And kind of a lunatic as well . . . If you see icing . . . try to fly lower . . . or at least do something . . . .

1 " of ice on the LE . . . that's a killer !

HAGOne

joeychitwood · 17 April 2013, 01:42 AM

While a medical resident, I flew monthly to a small town in Iowa to provide ER coverage for the weekend. I contracted with an FBO to bring me there Friday and pick me up Sunday. One Sunday afternoon during a snow and sleet storm, I went to the airport to find the pilot of the Piper Warrior scraping ice off the leading edge of the wings with a scraper. He assured me that the 200 mile flight home to Sioux Falls would be safe.

Very quickly into the flight, the front windows were iced over like the photo above. We flew at about 500 feet following roads that came in and out of view through the side windows, the plane vectored about 30 degrees away from the direction of travel because of the wind. I was anxious, but I knew nothing about aviation and trusted that the pilot wouldn't fly if it wasn't safe.

We landed at the shut down Sioux Falls airport. A few weeks later, I was contacted by an FAA investigator who asked about the flight. The ATC at FSD had turned in the pilot. I described the level of icing I saw and was somewhat surprised by his shocked reaction. The pilot called me a couple of months later furious that I had told the FAA what I saw, as he had lost his pilot's license.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

mikkibarry · 17 April 2013, 02:32 AM

Thank you for testifying. Keeping another accident from happening and taking lives is a good thing.

TheVTCGuy · 17 April 2013, 02:54 AM

You know Marc, when I started flight school in Pensacola, way back in 19 blah de blah... The Navy had not too much earlier switched over from the T-28 Trojan to the T-34C Mentor, which is the airplane I finished primary training with. To be completely honest, I don't think I ever would have finished training flying that BEAST! (T-28) What a monster!

jcd · 17 April 2013, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

And kind of a lunatic as well . . . If you see icing . . . try to fly lower . . . or at least do something . . . .

1 " of ice on the LE . . . that's a killer !

HAGOne

Believe it or not, he was just intending to stay in the pattern. I ended up having to provide him with surveillance approach vectors. He was full throttle and could barely maintain altitude. So, he's very lucky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

While a medical resident, I flew monthly to a small town in Iowa to provide ER coverage for the weekend. I contracted with an FBO to bring me there Friday and pick me up Sunday. One Sunday afternoon during a snow and sleet storm, I went to the airport to find the pilot of the Piper Warrior scraping ice off the leading edge of the wings with a scraper. He assured me that the 200 mile flight home to Sioux Falls would be safe.

Very quickly into the flight, the front windows were iced over like the photo above. We flew at about 500 feet following roads that came in and out of view through the side windows, the plane vectored about 30 degrees away from the direction of travel because of the wind. I was anxious, but I knew nothing about aviation and trusted that the pilot wouldn't fly if it wasn't safe.

We landed at the shut down Sioux Falls airport. A few weeks later, I was contacted by an FAA investigator who asked about the flight. The ATC at FSD had turned in the pilot. I described the level of icing I saw and was somewhat surprised by his shocked reaction. The pilot called me a couple of months later furious that I had told the FAA what I saw, as he had lost his pilot's license.

Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

That's quite a story. You're very fortunate. ATC won't usually (at least in my experience) turn someone in. But landing at a closed airport is a big no no. But, if there was as much ice as in the pics, there wasn't likely any other option. Usually they don't just yank someone's ticket for one thing, so this guy may have had other strikes against him.

joeychitwood · 17 April 2013, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcd

That's quite a story. You're very fortunate. ATC won't usually (at least in my experience) turn someone in. But landing at a closed airport is a big no no. But, if there was as much ice as in the pics, there wasn't likely any other option. Usually they don't just yank someone's ticket for one thing, so this guy may have had other strikes against him.

In retrospect, chipping ice off the windshield and LE of a Warrior with no deicing boots and then taking off into the same weather conditions seems like idiocy to me. It probably wasn't his first blunder.

GradyPhilpott · 17 April 2013, 06:34 AM

This is my club's PT-26. We are the Lobo Wing of the Commemorative Air Force.

The AT-11 we are restoring.

A friend's Cessna 172.

In a stall over the New Mexico desert.

joe100 · 17 April 2013, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcd

Believe it or not, he was just intending to stay in the pattern. I ended up having to provide him with surveillance approach vectors. He was full throttle and could barely maintain altitude. So, he's very lucky.

That's quite a story. You're very fortunate. ATC won't usually (at least in my experience) turn someone in. But landing at a closed airport is a big no no. But, if there was as much ice as in the pics, there wasn't likely any other option. Usually they don't just yank someone's ticket for one thing, so this guy may have had other strikes against him.

Yeah we usually don't turn in pilots for an honest mistake as long as it doesn't involve other aircraft or a runway incursion. Some incidents, no matter how accidental, are inexcusable and must be reported. We hate to do it but safety is safety.

Kingair · 17 April 2013, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

You know Marc, when I started flight school in Pensacola, way back in 19 blah de blah... The Navy had not too much earlier switched over from the T-28 Trojan to the T-34C Mentor, which is the airplane I finished primary training with. To be completely honest, I don't think I ever would have finished training flying that BEAST! (T-28) What a monster!

I love flying it Paul !

It just drinks a few gallons of Avgas more that I can drink beer . . .

Next ride this summer will be in a P-51 . . . dual controls

Last summer I did a few hours in the Fouga Magister . . . nice jet as well . . . easy and flies really smooth
The year before I did some hours in the L-39 Albatros.

Now I am thinking to do my Cessna Citation Type Rating . . . just thinking of it Paul . . . ;-)

I think that maybe one day I have to drive a little bit more North in Cal so that we can have some beers together

HAGOne buddie

Kingair · 17 April 2013, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

In retrospect, chipping ice off the windshield and LE of a Warrior with no deicing boots and then taking off into the same weather conditions seems like idiocy to me. It probably wasn't his first blunder.

Probaly not.

These kind of pilots don't change their habits . . . they are always right . . .

Actually I kind of hate them because some day they will take lives of other people . . .

At my airport I have a same type of guy . . . age 73 . . . the best pilot in the world of course . . . flying with his C177 in icing conditions . . . flying with a VFR license in IFR weather . . . unbelievable . . .

And this with other (paying) passengers . . .

He is really an A*****E . . .

You did really good by reporting it to the FAA !

HAGONe

eman1200 · 17 April 2013, 09:02 PM

this is video from my first actual lesson (second time in the plane)!!

1-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lnMUoa-WgQ

2-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s7TOrRJvbk

3-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTwaSPCejfw

apeogre · 17 April 2013, 09:21 PM

Did the instructor let you talk on the radio?

eman1200 · 17 April 2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by apeogre

Did the instructor let you talk on the radio?

I didn't 'make the calls' on the first lesson, but that'll happen soon!

apeogre · 17 April 2013, 09:33 PM

Best of luck, when I started flying, that always seemed intimidating.

apeogre · 17 April 2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

No wonder the plane is falling out of the sky, the prop is FROZEN!!!

Kingair · 17 April 2013, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by apeogre

No wonder the plane is falling out of the sky, the prop is FROZEN!!!

And made of wood . . .

HAGOne

joeychitwood · 18 April 2013, 01:30 AM

Two legendary P-51 pilots and restorers near here have died in the past few years. Bob Odegaard crashed his recently restored F2G Super Corsair last September.

Gerry Beck crashed his Mustang in 2007.

STEELINOX · 18 April 2013, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Two legendary P-51 pilots and restorers near here have died in the past few years. Bob Odegaard crashed his recently restored F2G Super Corsair last September.

Gerry Beck crashed his Mustang in 2007.

Another amazing P-51 driver, rip...

TheVTCGuy · 18 April 2013, 04:31 AM

Speaking of P-51 drivers, I once met Bob Hoover, back when I (thought I) was a hot-shot Navy Pilot. I learned very quickly what a real pilot was when I talked with that man.

Kingair · 18 April 2013, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Speaking of P-51 drivers, I once met Bob Hoover, back when I (thought I) was a hot-shot Navy Pilot. I learned very quickly what a real pilot was when I talked with that man.

He knows what flying is !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMWxuKcD6vE

Maybe we should try this with beer Paul . . .

Ready to leave back to Belgium in a 767 . . . I hope it does;t have the batt probs of the 787 . . .

HAGOne

17 March 2013, 02:51 AM	#123
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17 April 2013, 02:32 AM	#133
mikkibarry "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Mikki Location: Northern Virginia Watch: Your Six Posts: 1,146	Thank you for testifying. Keeping another accident from happening and taking lives is a good thing. __________________ No Matter Where You Go - There You Are (and so's your Rolex) Card Carrying Chinese Crested Owner

17 April 2013, 06:34 AM	#137
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	This is my club's PT-26. We are the Lobo Wing of the Commemorative Air Force. The AT-11 we are restoring. A friend's Cessna 172. In a stall over the New Mexico desert. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

17 March 2013, 02:15 AM	#122
Kingair "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Watch: Not enough ;-) Posts: 21,232	Try this . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdLxk9HHZ9M HAGWe

4 April 2013, 12:19 AM	#126
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,641	Went to Duxford Air museum this week, is an amazing place. Picture tour here

16 April 2013, 09:31 AM	#128
jcd "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Jack Location: Wisconsin Watch: me vector Posts: 1,152	I worked this PA28 a couple weeks ago..... VFR pilot, that's what the plane looked like in flight. Hopefully you can see the pic since I swiped it from an FAA site.

17 April 2013, 01:42 AM	#132
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	While a medical resident, I flew monthly to a small town in Iowa to provide ER coverage for the weekend. I contracted with an FBO to bring me there Friday and pick me up Sunday. One Sunday afternoon during a snow and sleet storm, I went to the airport to find the pilot of the Piper Warrior scraping ice off the leading edge of the wings with a scraper. He assured me that the 200 mile flight home to Sioux Falls would be safe. Very quickly into the flight, the front windows were iced over like the photo above. We flew at about 500 feet following roads that came in and out of view through the side windows, the plane vectored about 30 degrees away from the direction of travel because of the wind. I was anxious, but I knew nothing about aviation and trusted that the pilot wouldn't fly if it wasn't safe. We landed at the shut down Sioux Falls airport. A few weeks later, I was contacted by an FAA investigator who asked about the flight. The ATC at FSD had turned in the pilot. I described the level of icing I saw and was somewhat surprised by his shocked reaction. The pilot called me a couple of months later furious that I had told the FAA what I saw, as he had lost his pilot's license. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

17 April 2013, 02:54 AM	#134
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	You know Marc, when I started flight school in Pensacola, way back in 19 blah de blah... The Navy had not too much earlier switched over from the T-28 Trojan to the T-34C Mentor, which is the airplane I finished primary training with. To be completely honest, I don't think I ever would have finished training flying that BEAST! (T-28) What a monster!

17 April 2013, 09:02 PM	#141
eman1200 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: charlotte Posts: 730	this is video from my first actual lesson (second time in the plane)!! 1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lnMUoa-WgQ 2- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s7TOrRJvbk 3- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTwaSPCejfw

17 April 2013, 09:21 PM	#142
apeogre "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: No Clue Posts: 586	Did the instructor let you talk on the radio?

17 April 2013, 09:33 PM	#144
apeogre "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: No Clue Posts: 586	Best of luck, when I started flying, that always seemed intimidating.

18 April 2013, 01:30 AM	#147
joeychitwood "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Way Up North USA Watch: Rolexes & Tudors Posts: 6,361	Two legendary P-51 pilots and restorers near here have died in the past few years. Bob Odegaard crashed his recently restored F2G Super Corsair last September. Gerry Beck crashed his Mustang in 2007.

18 April 2013, 04:31 AM	#149
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	Speaking of P-51 drivers, I once met Bob Hoover, back when I (thought I) was a hot-shot Navy Pilot. I learned very quickly what a real pilot was when I talked with that man.

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