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superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 10:05 AM

With the current Rolex market and all the controlled
SS professional model shortages will there be an end
to this madness? One would have to admit 904L shines
quite brilliantly in the spotlight and thus the popularity of
stainless steel professional Rolex models ...
A possible eminent price hike here in the US coupled with
the crazy demand on the most popular models intentionally
constrained in supply , the price gap on these models and certain
PM models is closing in ....

Taking in consideration the supply/demand and premium
Prices on the secondary market for highly coveted SS models
one would have to really determine which will be a
better bargain long term ...?

Just putting it out there, the SS madness doesn’t seem to
settle down ...

$9K plus SS Sub Date
$10K BLNR’s
$11/12K Hulks
$13K plus SD43 Anniversary
$18K Daytona C’s

Wow!!!!! Madness I tell you .... Yet Stainless Steel seems
to rule and be highly coveted more so than PM or TT....
or so it may seem...

So I know SS flies under the radar so many say but
it’s still a Rolex and 904L is quite brilliant!!!

What say you , considering the current market madness
and Rolex stainless steel shines quite nicely SS or PM ?
Which is better long term ?

DoctorA · 26 February 2018, 10:10 AM

What’s funny is that some TT models which obviously cost more to make and are at higher MSRP sell from ADs after discount for less than SS models from grey market!

It’s supply and demand that’s driving this craze!! Which tells me the pendulum has to set. Demand will change. It’s a fact that taste changes, interest changes and demand changes with it. That’s when the craze will settle down!

TacticaLCawacoL · 14 April 2018, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DoctorA

What’s funny is that some TT models which obviously cost more to make and are at higher MSRP sell from ADs after discount for less than SS models from grey market!

It’s supply and demand that’s driving this craze!! Which tells me the pendulum has to set. Demand will change. It’s a fact that taste changes, interest changes and demand changes with it. That’s when the craze will settle down!

I have to agree on this: demand will change. I think those who want the new 2018 SS GMT are going to pay a premium firstly but then things will settle down.

ferrissteve11 · 26 February 2018, 10:16 AM

I'm no Oracle, but I think the current pricing is a bubble of sorts that will burst sooner as opposed to later. Will Rolex watches be more expensive today than they were a few years ago ?? yes....but I don't think it will be a long term or permanent situation. Like a lot of others have speculated: see what Basel brings in terms of new models, pricing, etc.
Though like all things Rolex availability and pricing related...its all just a guess as only Rolex knows and they're NOT talking.

AK797 · 26 February 2018, 10:17 AM

No, but nice try.

superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

No, but nice try.

Just putting it out there Neil...
One might argue that there’s no need for a pm
if they can only get their hands on one of these
Hot models ....

Someday I hope to find out and scratch the pm itch ...

rebel_1 · 26 February 2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by superstarmar

Just putting it out there Neil...
One might argue that there’s no need for a pm
if they can only get their hands on one of these
Hot models ....

Someday I hope to find out and scratch that itch ...

I’m in the opposite camp. No need for SS!!

pigman08 · 26 February 2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rebel_1

No need for SS!!

Or Rolex, for that matter, but I sure do want 'em!!

iLLGT2 · 26 February 2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

No, but nice try.

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lhawli · 26 February 2018, 11:15 AM

I started a thread about this topic also... it has an interesting article about value for money.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=585687

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DLRIDES · 26 February 2018, 11:57 AM

SS is more useable/wearable in most situations. The popularity of such will continue.

lucevan le stelle · 26 February 2018, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DLRIDES

SS is more useable/wearable in most situations. The popularity of such will continue.

This. SS is the equivalent of death and taxes in the watch-buying community, you can't escape it or replace the demand for it.

superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lhawli

I started a thread about this topic also... it has an interesting article about value for money.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=585687

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I tried to search the threads but my wording was off ...
on point...

77T · 26 February 2018, 11:55 AM

The SS watches could overtake TT watches. But never the PM models.

As for metallurgy- um...no, SS is not the new PM.

But if rumors get started about new .500 Platinums coming out at Basel 2018, don’t say you heard it from me...

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Quicksilver · 26 February 2018, 11:57 AM

I think SS will always rule with collectors. We see Rolex as tool watches and SS fits with this aesthetic and therefore becomes more collectible, desirable and even authentic in the wis mindset. The market shows this time after time with SS being a better investment than precious metal.

I agree that Rolex SS is so beautiful that it competes favourably with precious metal.

superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quicksilver

I think SS will always rule with collectors. We see Rolex as tool watches and SS fits with this aesthetic and therefore becomes more collectible, desirable and even authentic in the wis mindset. The market shows this time after time with SS being a better investment than precious metal.

I agree that Rolex SS is so beautiful that it competes favourably with precious metal.

Agreed David, very few collectible pm Rolex ...

locutus49 · 26 February 2018, 12:00 PM

I see a different explanation. Historically, many people have wanted the most affordable Rolex they could buy, and those were SS models. Now that white metals are en vogue, as are sports models (as opposed to dress models), SS sports watches are in high demand.

Bigblu10 · 26 February 2018, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by locutus49

I see a different explanation. Historically, many people have wanted the most affordable Rolex they could buy, and those were SS models. Now that white metals are en vogue, as are sports models (as opposed to dress models), SS sports watches are in high demand.

What makes you think yellow gold is dead? This forum is a minute population of the watch world, and I guarantee you Rolex still sells millions of yellow gold watches. I happen to own a few myself.

peterpl · 26 February 2018, 12:08 PM

If one could choose I would ONLY buy PM. If money was no factor.

Nothing beats the feeling of strapping a PM piece to the wrist no matter what anyone says.

As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

DLRIDES · 26 February 2018, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by peterpl

As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

Plenty of words come to mind, but “harsh” isn’t one of them.

Just wow !

Benjamin Choi · 26 February 2018, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpl

If one could choose I would ONLY buy PM. If money was no factor.

Nothing beats the feeling of strapping a PM piece to the wrist no matter what anyone says.

As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

bingo, give this man a beer

HL65 · 26 February 2018, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin Choi

bingo, give this man a beer

Why? I buy SS because I prefer them not because of affordability. I have also owned pretty much every PM model one can think of over the years and I always come back to the core of Rolex..SS! So to each his own but don't generalize and drill down ones choices to one simple thing money.

superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HL65

Why? I buy SS because I prefer them not because of affordability. I have also owned pretty much every PM model one can think of over the years and I always come back to the core of Rolex..SS! So to each his own but don't generalize and drill down ones choices to one simple thing money.

Right on Ken... I already was long winded on my post ...

That said , I didn’t pose the question out of affordability for each .
It just seemed to me that lately or maybe I finally noticed
that SS sports models are a better bargain in the long term vs pm
models...

Most if not all professional series that are collectible are SS!!!
Some AD’s are now pulling reserve SS pieces out of the safe
and saying if you buy this PM piece I’ll let you buy this coveted
SS model ...

Which I think is dirty business but I don’t run the store ... so
In no way am I bashing on PM models !!!
I want to make that clear !!!
In fact most of you know my passion for the Bluesy and my grail is
The YG Bluesy one day !!! My next one is the BLRO !!!
Basically put, to the average Joe it seems like SS is the better
bargain long term and Rolex knows this that’s why SS sports
models havd risen in demand and new heights reflecting in
latest price points ...

Rolex is playing and manipulating the market .
Not so much in volume but long term they know that if they can
increase demand they can jack up the price and not work so hard ,
Maintain brand image and status and achieve same results
if not even better !!!

tyler1980 · 26 February 2018, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpl

If one could choose I would ONLY buy PM. If money was no factor.

Nothing beats the feeling of strapping a PM piece to the wrist no matter what anyone says.

As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

not at all. My PM pieces are just too soft to be daily wearers.

Plus plenty of people spend 50K plus on a SS watch... it isnt a Rolex though, but you could have 2 PM rolexes for that price.

brandrea · 26 February 2018, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpl

If one could choose I would ONLY buy PM. If money was no factor.

Nothing beats the feeling of strapping a PM piece to the wrist no matter what anyone says.

As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

What about SS Patek ... many of which are priced similar or more than PM Rolex.

superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandrea

What about SS Patek ... many of which are priced similar or more than PM Rolex.

Correct Brian .., SS Patek is out of hand as well .
Basically it has come down to the same old adage
once again ... you gotta pay to play..,

So then isn’t SS a better bargain long term if one
buys right?

Someone who purchased a 1680 or 5514 let’s say back in
in the day could easily flip for a pm now depending on
condition.and originality...
if one could only foresee the future of collectibility.

brandrea · 26 February 2018, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superstarmar

Correct Brian .., SS Patek is out of hand as well .
Basically it has come down to the same old adage
once again ... you gotta pay to play..,

So then isn’t SS a better bargain long term if one
buys right?

Someone who purchased a 1680 or 5514 let’s say back in
in the day could easily flip for a pm now depending on
condition.and originality...
if one could only foresee the future of collectibility.

Its hard to argue that Mario

I think many choose PM or SS because of the 'feelings' it evokes ... therefore, I don't think you can put a price on it.

superstarmar · 26 February 2018, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandrea

Its hard to argue that Mario

I think many choose PM or SS because of the 'feelings' it evokes ... therefore, I don't think you can put a price on it.

Spot on !!! It’s all about that feeling the watch produces
When strapped onto the wrist!!!
As the song goes , “ I second that emotion “ ...

AK797 · 26 February 2018, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandrea

Its hard to argue that Mario

I think many choose PM or SS because of the 'feelings' it evokes ... therefore, I don't think you can put a price on it.

Absolutely, these high luxury purchases are driven by warm emotion not cold cash.

Wcdhtwn · 14 April 2018, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peterpl

If one could choose I would ONLY buy PM. If money was no factor.

Nothing beats the feeling of strapping a PM piece to the wrist no matter what anyone says.

As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

So, consider that with the fact that the SS versions share the same movement with their high priced brothers in PM. Internally it is the same watch. And at the end of the day we are buying the guts regardless of how it's presented. A $36K Sub is the same watch as a 9K Sub. Same movement, accuracy, shock absorption, etc.

Sure price is an issue. But it's an issue because you're not getting any benefit of functionality or ability to tell time for the extra $25K.

26 February 2018, 10:05 AM	#1
superstarmar Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: In Motion Watch: my wrist presence Posts: 7,436	Is Stainless Steel the new PM ??? >>>>> With the current Rolex market and all the controlled SS professional model shortages will there be an end to this madness? One would have to admit 904L shines quite brilliantly in the spotlight and thus the popularity of stainless steel professional Rolex models ... A possible eminent price hike here in the US coupled with the crazy demand on the most popular models intentionally constrained in supply , the price gap on these models and certain PM models is closing in .... Taking in consideration the supply/demand and premium Prices on the secondary market for highly coveted SS models one would have to really determine which will be a better bargain long term ...? Just putting it out there, the SS madness doesn’t seem to settle down ... $9K plus SS Sub Date $10K BLNR’s $11/12K Hulks $13K plus SD43 Anniversary $18K Daytona C’s Wow!!!!! Madness I tell you .... Yet Stainless Steel seems to rule and be highly coveted more so than PM or TT.... or so it may seem... So I know SS flies under the radar so many say but it’s still a Rolex and 904L is quite brilliant!!! What say you , considering the current market madness and Rolex stainless steel shines quite nicely SS or PM ? Which is better long term ? Attached Images

26 February 2018, 10:10 AM	#2
DoctorA "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: USA Posts: 6,545	What’s funny is that some TT models which obviously cost more to make and are at higher MSRP sell from ADs after discount for less than SS models from grey market! It’s supply and demand that’s driving this craze!! Which tells me the pendulum has to set. Demand will change. It’s a fact that taste changes, interest changes and demand changes with it. That’s when the craze will settle down! __________________ Wear the watch you like, not the one they tell you to wear!

26 February 2018, 11:15 AM	#10
lhawli "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 1,256	I started a thread about this topic also... it has an interesting article about value for money. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=585687 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ AP Royal Oak [15400ST.01] Rolex DateJust 41 [126334] Rolex Submariner Date [116610LV] Rolex GMT Master II [116710BLNR] Rolex Cosmograph Daytona [116500LN]

26 February 2018, 11:57 AM	#11
DLRIDES 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Real Name: Don Location: NC/WY Watch: Me Posts: 4,672	SS is more useable/wearable in most situations. The popularity of such will continue. __________________ *Purchasing your first non HOA home on a 3 acre lot DOES NOT equate to owning a “farm”.*

26 February 2018, 11:55 AM	#14
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,015	The SS watches could overtake TT watches. But never the PM models. As for metallurgy- um...no, SS is not the new PM. But if rumors get started about new .500 Platinums coming out at Basel 2018, don’t say you heard it from me... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

26 February 2018, 10:16 AM	#4
ferrissteve11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 1,116	I'm no Oracle, but I think the current pricing is a bubble of sorts that will burst sooner as opposed to later. Will Rolex watches be more expensive today than they were a few years ago ?? yes....but I don't think it will be a long term or permanent situation. Like a lot of others have speculated: see what Basel brings in terms of new models, pricing, etc. Though like all things Rolex availability and pricing related...its all just a guess as only Rolex knows and they're NOT talking.

26 February 2018, 10:17 AM	#5
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	No, but nice try.

26 February 2018, 11:57 AM	#15
Quicksilver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: David Location: London+Guangzhou Watch: ing watches Posts: 2,603	I think SS will always rule with collectors. We see Rolex as tool watches and SS fits with this aesthetic and therefore becomes more collectible, desirable and even authentic in the wis mindset. The market shows this time after time with SS being a better investment than precious metal. I agree that Rolex SS is so beautiful that it competes favourably with precious metal. __________________ Rolex Sea Dweller 116600, GMT Master II 16710 (Pepsi) and 116710 BLNR, Daytona 116500LN, Submariner 14060M.

26 February 2018, 12:00 PM	#17
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	I see a different explanation. Historically, many people have wanted the most affordable Rolex they could buy, and those were SS models. Now that white metals are en vogue, as are sports models (as opposed to dress models), SS sports watches are in high demand.

26 February 2018, 12:08 PM	#19
peterpl Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: . Posts: 6,692	If one could choose I would ONLY buy PM. If money was no factor. Nothing beats the feeling of strapping a PM piece to the wrist no matter what anyone says. As harsh as it sounds SS is the most popular because of 1 simple thing. Price point! Otherwise everyone would buy WG.

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