Prospective employer contacted current employer

[mjr24]

How can you trash the OP? Did he sign some sort of non-compete or something? Assuming not, then you are ALWAYS a free agent open to someone coming in and offering you what you are really worth. It’s called free enterprise. Seems pretty evident it’s your old company who will be worse off.

I definitely would call a lawyer. Maybe it was an honest mistake on the prospective company’s part but people get sued and lose all the time for mistakes.

[BrazenC5]

People talking about company loyalty are delusional.

There is no loyalty in either direction. If I have to RIF and let productive people go, it will get done. If people voluntarily leave for professional growth, it will happen...this goes on all the time.

As a manager, if an employee is looking for another job because they've outgrown or looking for a different experience, I always mention I'm happy to help and provide references. Its not great but ultimately, I'm better off getting a head start looking for a replacement than getting blindsided.

Everyone is replaceable. Check emotions at the door.

OP, hope this situation resolves it self quickly.

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[Jim Smyth]

Originally Posted by BrazenC5

People talking about company loyalty are delusional.

There is no loyalty in either direction. If I have to RIF and let productive people go, it will get done. If people voluntarily leave for professional growth, it will happen...this goes on all the time.

As a manager, if an employee is looking for another job because they've outgrown or looking for a different experience, I always mention I'm happy to help and provide references. Its not great but ultimately, I'm better off getting a head start looking for a replacement than getting blindsided.

Everyone is replaceable. Check emotions at the door.

OP, hope this situation resolves it self quickly.

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Great response, loyalty in either direction isnt there for the most part. Your just a number and everyone is replaceable.

[artschool]

Originally Posted by Jim Smyth

Great response, loyalty in either direction isnt there for the most part. Your just a number and everyone is replaceable.

well in that case the OP has nothing to worry about!

[Brew]

Originally Posted by artschool

well in that case the OP has nothing to worry about!

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Just curious.

[~JJ]

Originally Posted by Brew

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Just curious.

He seems to be trolling for some odd reason.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Jim Smyth

Great response, loyalty in either direction isnt there for the most part. Your just a number and everyone is replaceable.

I happen to agree 100%.

Even as a business owner. Maybe a little bit more loyalty in a small business.

But medium to larger sized businesses. Zero loyalty.

[pickettt]

As an employer, I ask for this; I you feel like you're not getting what you need out of our working relationship, come to me and voice that. Let me know what you need, and I'll let you know what I need to accommodate you . If we can't make it happen, no hard feelings, we can part ways. I get it, I was once an employee too. I've had employees come to me like that, and I've put my own reputation on the line to help them get positions elsewhere in other companies.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by pickettt

As an employer, I ask for this; I you feel like you're not getting what you need out of our working relationship, come to me and voice that. Let me know what you need, and I'll let you know what I need to accommodate you . If we can't make it happen, no hard feelings, we can part ways. I get it, I was once an employee too. I've had employees come to me like that, and I've put my own reputation on the line to help them get positions elsewhere in other companies.

That’s a great way to be.

[Fleetlord]

Right now I would see myself as essentially unemployed.

You can't stay at your current company because clearly the bad blood is flowing and even if you make it through this storm, there won't be rainbows with pots of gold waiting on the other side.

The new company sucks. If they can't get hiring you right in terms of the basics then working for them will be another $hi7show.

Don't resign, but 100% look for a third option if at all possible.

[BisonHead]

You have done nothing wrong legally or morally and i certainly wouldn't resign.

Its business end of day and people take it far too seriously. Not as though you seduced the owners wife and mother.

If your forced to resign, then in the UK at least this would be grounds for constructive dismissal over the reasons you have stated.

But totally different in the States i would imagine.

Loyalty is a 2 way street.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by pickettt

As an employer, I ask for this; I you feel like you're not getting what you need out of our working relationship, come to me and voice that. Let me know what you need, and I'll let you know what I need to accommodate you . If we can't make it happen, no hard feelings, we can part ways. I get it, I was once an employee too. I've had employees come to me like that, and I've put my own reputation on the line to help them get positions elsewhere in other companies.

Same.

[BrazenC5]

Originally Posted by BisonHead

You have done nothing wrong legally or morally and i certainly wouldn't resign.

Its business end of day and people take it far too seriously. Not as though you seduced the owners wife and mother.

If your forced to resign, then in the UK at least this would be grounds for constructive dismissal over the reasons you have stated.

But totally different in the States i would imagine.

Loyalty is a 2 way street.

We also have constructive dismissal in the US. If it gets worse than asking for resignation then the manager is treading on thin ice. Hence why people are suggesting to consult a labor laywer.

Btw - even with employment at will, most companies have specific procedures before an employee can be let go...those procedures are there to limit litigation, negative PR, etc...even smaller companies have a rep to protect. Makes it hard to run a business if prospective employees spot a trend of negative employer feedback in Google searches.


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[VinnieVegas]

At the very least, the prospective employer acted unprofessionally.

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[artschool]

Originally Posted by Brew

Are you being intentionally obtuse? Just curious.

Originally Posted by ~JJ

He seems to be trolling for some odd reason.

Originally Posted by pickettt

As an employer, I ask for this; I you feel like you're not getting what you need out of our working relationship, come to me and voice that. Let me know what you need, and I'll let you know what I need to accommodate you . If we can't make it happen, no hard feelings, we can part ways. I get it, I was once an employee too. I've had employees come to me like that, and I've put my own reputation on the line to help them get positions elsewhere in other companies.

Pickettt says is far better than I can. this is how I feel and I have done the same for old employees of mine.

if you aren't happy working for a company then just say and leave on good terms.

I am not being obtuse or trolling. I consider that the OP wants to have his cake and eat it. he needs to just go and find another job.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by artschool

Pickettt says is far better than I can. this is how I feel and I have done the same for old employees of mine.

if you aren't happy working for a company then just say and leave on good terms.

I am not being obtuse or trolling. I consider that the OP wants to have his cake and eat it. he needs to just go and find another job.

He was doing precisely as you state, and you called him disloyal. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s fine to look for another job, or it’s wrong to be disloyal to the current job.

Context is important. Nobody in the US can trust their employer not to fire them if they announce they intend to leave. A helpful employer is an extreme exception. Most will simply declare you redundant and terminate your employment.

[waQstar]

Originally Posted by pickettt

As an employer, I ask for this; I you feel like you're not getting what you need out of our working relationship, come to me and voice that. Let me know what you need, and I'll let you know what I need to accommodate you . If we can't make it happen, no hard feelings, we can part ways. I get it, I was once an employee too. I've had employees come to me like that, and I've put my own reputation on the line to help them get positions elsewhere in other companies.

This is the best way, a dialogue is very important and often results in growth of the relationship and longer tenure.

[artschool]

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

He was doing precisely as you state, and you called him disloyal. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s fine to look for another job, or it’s wrong to be disloyal to the current job.

the OP did not speak to his current employer. thats why he is in this predicament.

[Brew]

Originally Posted by artschool

the OP did not speak to his current employer. thats why he is in this predicament.

Right. He would have been asked to leave a week ago.

[artschool]

Originally Posted by Brew

Right. He would have been asked to leave a week ago.

but he wants to leave anyhow? thats why he is applying for new jobs.

[Brew]

Originally Posted by artschool

but he wants to leave anyhow? thats why he is applying for new jobs.

This is obtuse. In the real world one doesn't leave a job until a replacement is secured.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by artschool

but he wants to leave anyhow? thats why he is applying for new jobs.

And that statement is also flawed.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Brew

This is obtuse. In the real world one doesn't leave a job until a replacement is secured.

He's trolling us.

[Brew]

In any case, best wishes to OP.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Brew

This is obtuse. In the real world one doesn't leave a job until a replacement is secured.

This is not true... it depends what type of value add you think you have.

[Brew]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

This is not true... it depends what type of value add you think you have.

You'll have to explain, please.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Brew

You'll have to explain, please.

Ive left jobs without a job many times and so have my friends...

So it just depend what skill set u have.

Edit...sounds like that movie taken ... i have a very specialized skill set

[Brew]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Ive left jobs without a job many times and so have my friends...

So it just depend what skill set u have.

Edit...sounds like that movie taken ... i have a very specialized skill set

Sure, if you can be without work for a while. Even then, most won't without some sort of prospect on the horizon, or a real special skill set that has would-be slave drivers and their headhunter minions knocking down your door.

In either case, I'm glad for you and your friends. I enjoy your input here and now know how you have the time for us.

[OysterBracelet]

I'm sure your nearest McDonalds will be hiring.

[Abdullah71601]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Ive left jobs without a job many times and so have my friends...

So it just depend what skill set u have.

Edit...sounds like that movie taken ... i have a very specialized skill set

Buy side, or sell side? Or, is there no difference?

You are a 0.1 percenter. The the other 129 million full time employees in the US don't leave a job until the next one is locked in, unless they're fired.