Tired of hearing about slimmer lugs

[Onikage]

Oh dear.

[BradSomrak]

Originally Posted by Onikage

A maxicase bloodbath would ensue as about 95% of disgruntled SubC owners attempt to get the correct lugs after all.

Where does this 95% number come from - your gut?

A cursory review of the endless discussion that has taken place on this subject over the last decade - this thread included - seems to be a 50/50 split. Maybe a shade in either direction. But certainly not 95% uniformity.

We get it; you don’t like the lugs. That does not equate to “95% of disgruntled” CSub owners agreeing with you and setting fire to their watches should a new sub with “correct” lugs release - “correct,” of course, being your subjective term.

[BradSomrak]

This thread needs a picture.

[schoolboy]

Originally Posted by samson66

Compare the shape of the current Sub to the current Sea Dweller. The fat lugs on the Sub were just added to make the watch wear slightly bigger. The SD lugs are perfect and you don't get the blocky appearance you do with the Subs.

I agree with this!


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[sickened1]

The one on the left looks more proportionate to me.



Just buy whatever floats your boat.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Onikage

How do fatter lugs make a more premium watch? Just out of curiosity. It never ceases to amaze me how people defend this design decision. It's well established that the maxicase is the most disagreeable feature. Actual owners who like the bracelet and ceramic acknowledge this. Even people who claim to love it probably know it - if a new Sub was released without the fat lugs the perceived 'redeeming features' of the previous one would go out of the window. A maxicase bloodbath would ensue as about 95% of disgruntled SubC owners attempt to get the correct lugs after all.

You really need to step off your high horse mate. You don't own a 6 digit Sub, but always seem to interject your sanctimonious and condescending attitude towards those who disagree with you. Do us a favor. Pass over this thread and move on to greener pastures.

[Dr.Smellody]

Four and five digits for the win..

[Seaswirl]

Originally Posted by Onikage

How do fatter lugs make a more premium watch? Just out of curiosity. It never ceases to amaze me how people defend this design decision. It's well established that the maxicase is the most disagreeable feature. Actual owners who like the bracelet and ceramic acknowledge this. Even people who claim to love it probably know it - if a new Sub was released without the fat lugs the perceived 'redeeming features' of the previous one would go out of the window. A maxicase bloodbath would ensue as about 95% of disgruntled SubC owners attempt to get the correct lugs after all.

More premium related to the bezel and bracelet which I found underwhelming on my five digit Sub. I’m not defending or advocating the lugs on the super case. I just like them more as it gives the appearance of a larger and more contemporary watch and feels better on the wrist. Not everyone has to like five digit cases, and it is exhausting to hear the constant refrain from some five digit owners extolling the virtues of their watch while feeling compelled to denigrate the watches of others. Not sure why someone having an opinion different than your’s on something as subjective as appearance “amazes” you.

[iTreelex]

I wear my Rolex dial side down so I can stare at the caseback. Everyone has their .02. Some are overtly pompous and other's just share thoughts. Either way this is a playground for man children

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by sickened1

The one on the left looks more proportionate to me.



Just buy whatever floats your boat.

Put it to a vote of non-WIS and I bet the watch on the right wins.

[Yess]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Put it to a vote of non-WIS and I bet the watch on the right wins.

This... plus the fact that it is a two year wait for one in many parts of the world!

[Rhythm King]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Or just pay LAWW a small fee to cut them to the exact same shape as a 5-digit.

This would be very interesting to see!!

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Yess

This... plus the fact that it is a two year wait for one in many parts of the world!

Sorry, but the wait list issue is not an accurate way to measure desirability at all.
There are way too many factors that are coming into play one of which is a restricted supply(of nearly every popular reference). Coincidentally
The fact that hardly anybody with half a brain is not paying over retail for a Sub is a more accurate assessment of outright popularity. There are other references that command the premiums with waitlists numbering in the years

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Rhythm King

This would be very interesting to see!!

And chamfers on the top of the lugs

[DLRIDES]

As mentioned earlier in the thread, while the case has a a larger lug profile, the junction of lugs to bracelet is disproportional as compared to other models. Should the bracelet be 22mm at said junction, the appearance would be more acceptable to those who have a higher level of taste in design.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

But Without all of those topics what else would today’s TRF forum mods have to moan a.bout?

They do say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

[Mac-427]

Lug preference is strictly subjective. In my opinion, the 16610LN design epitomises the look of a tool watch. It's relatively large and aggressive while wearing very comfortably on my somewhat small wrist. If the priority is "elegance" just buy a Datejust 41 with a Jubilee bracelet for a more formal look.

[Maiden]

Originally Posted by Onikage

It would be seen as a correction. That's not my opinion. The current case is the most irksome feature. Evidence of this is overwhelming.

Please present your “ evidence”


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[Vincent65]

Originally Posted by Maiden

Lousy photo shop job to enhance the lugs on this one.

Pretty sure it was a joke, mate. I thought it was funny.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by sickened1

The one on the left looks more proportionate to me.



Just buy whatever floats your boat.

Both are beauty to my eye Ed.

Hope you’re doing well

[Vincent65]

People complain about it because they love the brand and its heritage, but not all of the evolutionary developments, so they feel somewhat torn. Sometimes, evolution gets things wrong. A direction is tried, and it fails. Then another tack is taken. This might be the case, here, too - pun intended.

I think there was an element of going with the 'big is better' trend at the time. Oh, and shinier. Big and shiny. That's going to work, right? I also think that the fact that it's still being discussed, ten years on, sort of supports the argument that at the very least, it was a rather questionable design decision to take. As one post here mentioned, I don't recall seeing any complaints about the earlier iterations, in terms of case design. Q.E.D.

Personally, I find the block-case lugs and chubby crown-guards quite comical, along with the oversized handset on the EXP II. I've tried to like them, but just can't subscribe, sorry.

To my eye, the maxi dial is great, but they lost the delicate balance between maintaining a hardy 'tool'/'professional' watch utility, while simultaneously remaining elegant and aesthetically pleasing proportions, which they achieved before. The SUBs, GMTs and SDs of the 4- and 5-digit era had perfect graceful lines, and were still tough.

Then they suddenly went all Lego/Bob the Builder in the design room.

Just my thoughts - no offence!
RIP the chamfer.

[Yachtbuoy]

I think both are great, and I ended up picking up a 1603 over a 126200. Both proportions have their own appeal and despite the fact I went with a slimmer style case, I'd probably go for the maxi SubC because I love how utilitarian it is.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

What a pandering post. After 10 years since the first 6 digit Sub, there are people who go on waiting lists for weeks and sometimes several months, pay grey market premiums, drive or fly hundreds of miles, and save their hard earned money for years just to have the opportunity to own one. It is still one of the most iconic, copied and desired timepieces on Earth. Even with the "design flaws" that some of the keyboard geniuses describe.

That’s more about 1) Rolex is on the dial and 2) In today’s day and age, people blow 10k on a watch and they want recognition for it and the larger bulkier appearance caters to that crowd.

The argument that...well Rolex sells out is more about marketing and not an argument about the perception. Lots of people around these forums throw money at anything with a Rolex label. Oh man did you see they put a ceramic bezel (40 year old technology dinner using plate material) on that Daytona. It’s so massively different than the previous model, here is double the price and take my dog too.

That “selling all” the models is slight of hand my friend as well, sorry to say. I would argue at least half are bought and traded like commodities. Any basic search on the gray market or chrono 24 will show you just how many are available to be had, so they are not difficult whatsoever to obtain.


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[Boaters]

Originally Posted by samson66

Look when it comes to the current Sea Dweller we can argue if the cyclops should be there or not, or if it is too big or not, or if the red writing should be on there or not, but one thing I have NEVER heard from anybody on this watch is that there is something wrong with the lugs. The lugs on the SD43 are absolutely perfect and I don't know how anyone can compare this to the Submariner and say the Sub looks right and the SD43 looks wrong. Anyone saying that is just fooling themselves in my opinion. These lugs are perfection...

I agree the SD43 is as good as it gets

[lord91]

What baffles me is that people complain about the lugs only for the Sub, but not on the GMT II, which are practically the same.

I made my mind on buying the 6 digit before i've found this place. I loved the look, finally the watch had a case, no more the flimsy dial on a bracelet look of previous generation.

While i've acknowledged the lugs profile was not as elegant as on the 5 digit, i was fine with it and only on this forum i've found that people had a controversy with it.

I don't think the 6 digit case is a mistake like the one on DD2 and DJ2 were, proven by the fact that Rolex didn't change it as opposed to the last 2 examples.

As a preference, i do like the slimmer lugs more. But if someday Rolex was to go back to a slim case for the Sub, i'm not sure i would trade, as i would have even more memories by then with my 114o6o.

[sickened1]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Both are beauty to my eye Ed.

Hope you’re doing well

Thanks and same to you Brian.

[Vanmarsenille]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well without slimmer lugs,alignment points,minute font or colour changes,watch running one or two seconds over or under marketing spec etc.Or if I buy this or that will it go up in value what else has today's Rolex owner going to moan about.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Put it to a vote of non-WIS and I bet the watch on the right wins.

And for many WIS as well, too. ;-)

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Mac-427

Lug preference is strictly subjective. In my opinion, the 16610LN design epitomises the look of a tool watch. It's relatively large and aggressive while wearing very comfortably on my somewhat small wrist. If the priority is "elegance" just buy a Datejust 41 with a Jubilee bracelet for a more formal look.

It is the word "Elegance" that is so out of place when describing the Submariner. When was a diving watch ever supposed to be elegant? It is designed and built to be a utilitarian tool, not a dress watch you wear with a Tuxedo at the Queen's Ball! Formal type dress watches are elegant. Submariners never were and never will be.

[Max 66]

There are a lot of fans of 5 digit Sub as well as a lot of fans of new 6 digit, this is an indisputable fact; indeed the prices for a 14060M confirm the high demand for the 5 digit as well as the long waiting list for the new references confirm the high demand for the 6 digit.
I personally like more the aesthetic of the old version, but I prefer much more the overall technical characteristics of the 6 digit. Therefore to my teste both need to be in the collection, ideally a 5 digit no data and a 6 digit data.