Tudor quality vs Rolex

[Guppydriver]

Originally Posted by Reikolexguy

Update to this. Tried on the new Pelagos 39. Decided to drop the LHD and waitlist myself for the 39 instead.

Great bang for your buck watch that’s only about a third of the price of an SD43.


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I think the LHD is the SeaDweller killer. The original Pelagos is waterproof to 500m, is oversized to easily see underwater, and is marketed as a tool dive watch.

Seems like from the marketing I have seen on the 39, it's for hotties to go clubbing in that they can also use to jump in the pool when the party gets too hot.

I like the watch. A lot. It's just not built to be a budget SD like the Pelagos 42 is.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by GST15

I love Tudor. Congratulations on a great purchase, but IMHO, Tudor is a fabulous value proposition, but it's not on par with a Rolex in finish, movement (debatable) or value retention.

Ahhh.... The 32xx calibre appears to be a dog atm. No such call on the MT calibres. Just search the forums for evidence.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

Ahhh.... The 32xx calibre appears to be a dog atm. No such call on the MT calibres. Just search the forums for evidence.

More accurate than any time only Rolex I've owned. I've had a half dozen.

Tudor BB58 has a great movement

[WILLIWALKER]

Originally Posted by EEpro

I added a link to my post

Thanks a lot

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by EEpro

More accurate than any time only Rolex I've owned. I've had a half dozen.

Tudor BB58 has a great movement

I've got a few myself. That doesn't mean much and even Seiko owners can throw up good results. Rather than researching YOUR watch on a questionable timing app, perhaps research further. Then post some evidence beyond YOUR watch and we can engage further.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

I've got a few myself. That doesn't mean much and even Seiko owners can throw up good results. Rather than researching YOUR watch on a questionable timing app, perhaps research further. Then post some evidence beyond YOUR watch and we can engage further.

Tracking actual time displayed on a watch against atomic time on a plot is not a questionable way to measure the timekeeping of a watch.

The moment someone posts a timegrapher pic everyone knocks them too.

All we will ever have is a sample of OUR watch unless you have access to a 100,000 to make some solid statistics.

Seiko makes some good movements. Not sure why that would be a knock against anyone.

[Reikolexguy]

Originally Posted by Guppydriver

I think the LHD is the SeaDweller killer. The original Pelagos is waterproof to 500m, is oversized to easily see underwater, and is marketed as a tool dive watch.

Seems like from the marketing I have seen on the 39, it's for hotties to go clubbing in that they can also use to jump in the pool when the party gets too hot.

I like the watch. A lot. It's just not built to be a budget SD like the Pelagos 42 is.

I agree with all your points. The LHD made me wonder why I even bought the SD43.

The marketing material of the Pelagos 39 shows mostly models in suits, swimsuits and office attire lounging around a pool for the weekend.

That being said, the dimensions are excellent. I really can’t wait to get my hands on one.


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[SS Oyster]

Better than Rolex! What the heck am I doing buying Rolex watches?!?

We need to immediately rename this the Tudor Forum.


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

Better than Rolex! What the heck am I doing buying Rolex watches?!?

We need to immediately rename this the Tudor Forum.


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Did someday say this? Must have missed it.

My Vacheron is way better than your Rolex

[SS Oyster]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Did someday say this? Must have missed it.

My Vacheron is way better than your Rolex

Yes, read title.


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[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Tudor is just as well made as a rolex. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken.

to be fair, I've never owned the BB58 in steel. But I strongly disagree when it comes to the bracelets and clasps. I think the machining, mechanisms and designs are far superior on Rolex models.

This is based on my experience with the BB58 bronze and several black bays.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

to be fair, I've never owned the BB58 in steel. But I strongly disagree when it comes to the bracelets and clasps. I think the machining, mechanisms and designs are far superior on Rolex models.

This is based on my experience with the BB58 bronze and several black bays.

Agreed, have the black bb58, the bracelet is not great. Now the new Tudor bracelets with t-fit are very good. But the bb58 bracelet is maybe slightly better than the 93250 bracelet, definitely not the the modern submariner bracelet.


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[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

Agreed, have the black bb58, the bracelet is not great. Now the new Tudor bracelets with t-fit are very good. But the bb58 bracelet is maybe slightly better than the 93250 bracelet, definitely not the the modern submariner bracelet.


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interesting. I've made all the calls to try to lock up a new 39mm Pelagos. I hope I get the call soon.

I've been regularly wearing my Pelagos FXD and absolutely love it. Obviously no bracelet needed there lol.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

Yes, read title.


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It does not say that.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

to be fair, I've never owned the BB58 in steel. But I strongly disagree when it comes to the bracelets and clasps. I think the machining, mechanisms and designs are far superior on Rolex models.

This is based on my experience with the BB58 bronze and several black bays.

Are you referring to the design of the bracelet? The Rolex is better designed.

My comparison of equality was only in the CNC cutting and machine finishing of the two brands' watch head and bracelets.

[SS Oyster]

Originally Posted by EEpro

It does not say that.

It compares quality of Tudor to Rolex. Nothing about VC, however happy to compare your VC to my ALS triple split.


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

It compares quality of Tudor to Rolex. Nothing about VC, however happy to compare your VC to my ALS triple split.


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Read the title and the first post and let me know if there's something you disagree with. Macro shots or other proof would be great.

The VC comment was a humorous attempt to respond to your teenage level of claptrap.

[SudiYunus]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Did someday say this? Must have missed it.

My Vacheron is way better than your Rolex

[Mendota]

I haven't read through all of the pages of posts yet, and maybe this has already been addressed in here.

These Tudor cases and the overall quality of the dials and hands remind me of the fit and finish of the 5 digit Rolex era, not the modern 6 digit ceramic era. There are so many case and bracelet features that are different but are similar to the older 5 digit sports Rolex designs. As an added bonus, the Tudor has those beautiful bevels which Rolex has sadly migrated away from. Why on Earth did Rolex do this? The bevels and chamfers make the watch have personality and it's why I love the vintage 4 digits so much.

We really need to compare 5 digit Rolexes to these Tudors, and when doing that it sure seems like they are right on par.

Regarding the snowflake hands - I had convinced myself that I hated them from seeing all of the macro photos over the years. I told myself that I just couldn't stomach it and I was very vocal about it in posts over the years. Then I had the chance to actually see the previous generation Black Bay red in person on my neighbor. What a beautiful watch and when on the wrist you don't see the snowflake hands at all. All you see is the beautiful watch.

After reading about the history of dive watches, it makes absolute sense why Tudor has these unique hour hand designs. You can instantly and clearly see the hour hand position when it is covered up by the minute hand during dark conditions. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like to see a version that has Tudor's older style Mercedes hour hand, but it doesn't bother me anymore.

I'm very interested in trying on the new Pelagos 39, as well as the Black Bay 58 and Black Bay Pro GMT to see how they feel on the wrist.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Tracking actual time displayed on a watch against atomic time on a plot is not a questionable way to measure the timekeeping of a watch.

The moment someone posts a timegrapher pic everyone knocks them too.

All we will ever have is a sample of OUR watch unless you have access to a 100,000 to make some solid statistics.

Seiko makes some good movements. Not sure why that would be a knock against anyone.

A Timegrapher, used correctly in different positions is a measuring consistency that you are not providing. Other people will not "have the same wear patterns" as you. For YOU it is fine. As evidence of the watches accuracy for others, not so. A Timegrapher will also provide information regarding the health of the calibre which is also important for adding data to collected evidence.

The evidence of a weight of calibres is required to make a statement on the quality of anything. Otherwise I'd be discussing why a COSC Swiss calibre is superior to a random 4R36 that has tested well with your phone app.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by Mendota

These Tudor cases and the overall quality of the dials and hands remind me of the fit and finish of the 5 digit Rolex era, not the modern 6 digit ceramic era.
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We really need to compare 5 digit Rolexes to these Tudors, and when doing that it sure seems like they are right on par.

Hmm, not sure if different 5 digit Rolex are all the same but my 16570 is a dimension below any of the three Tudors I've owned. I have a 6 digit Rolex that I would say is better than my Tudor, but I don't believe I could provide evidence from this to say it is "made" better.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by watchmavan

A Timegrapher, used correctly in different positions is a measuring consistency that you are not providing. Other people will not "have the same wear patterns" as you. For YOU it is fine. As evidence of the watches accuracy for others, not so.

The evidence of a weight of calibres is required to make a statement on the quality of anything. Otherwise I'd be discussing why a COSC Swiss calibre is superior to a random 4R36 that has tested well with your phone app.

I understand the concepts regarding the test. The point is the watch that I care about, my watch, keeps better time than the OPs and Subs I've owned did with my wearing habits and that makes me happy.

I don't care if the data is valuable to you.

[watchmavan]

Originally Posted by EEpro

I understand the concepts regarding the test. The point is the watch that I care about, my watch, keeps better time than the OPs and Subs I've owned did with my wearing habits and that makes me happy.

I don't care if the data is valuable to you.

Yep. That's good

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

interesting. I've made all the calls to try to lock up a new 39mm Pelagos. I hope I get the call soon.

I've been regularly wearing my Pelagos FXD and absolutely love it. Obviously no bracelet needed there lol.

The 39 pelagos bracelet is fantastic. It’s very light, which i didn’t love. But the bracelet is about as good as it gets for Tudor, they are clearly turning a corner in the right direction. I’m going to get an FXD at some point, i love that rubber strap.


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[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by EEpro

I understand the concepts regarding the test. The point is the watch that I care about, my watch, keeps better time than the OPs and Subs I've owned did with my wearing habits and that makes me happy.

I don't care if the data is valuable to you.

I’ve found that my BB58 and the BBpro kept better time, on the timegrapher, than any Rolex I’ve had. It’s very close, but I’ve had more Tudor’s run at +\- 0 than i have seen from subs, gmts, Daytonas, explorers, etc. i had a black bay that wasn’t quite as good, but they keep exceptional time. Not as if it matters, I’ll never notice 5 seconds or 2 seconds.


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[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

The 39 pelagos bracelet is fantastic. It’s very light, which i didn’t love. But the bracelet is about as good as it gets for Tudor, they are clearly turning a corner in the right direction. I’m going to get an FXD at some point, i love that rubber strap.


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good to hear! I'm looking forward to getting one.

The rubber strap on the FXD unfortunately kind of sucks. The actually strap is amazing. It would work brilliantly with another watch with 22mm lugs, however it just doesn't fit right on the fixed FXD lugs. I'll try to follow up with some pics of what I'm talking about.