Interesting WIS conversation, PP Vs Rolex, Name recognition

[djona]

Great thread idea. These and similar issues have been on my mind.

I’m contemplating trading my Patek 5196g toward a SS Daytona. I admire the Daytona for all the reasons discussed in this forum at length. Like my 39mm Explorer and 36mm DD, it’s also one of the few Rolex models that fits my smaller wrists. The Daytona is robust and fits my lifestyle better at the moment. The 5196g is a fine watch with excellent finishing. Certainly more elegant, and perhaps even more timeless than the Daytona. It’s likely the WIS pick between the two.

[NachoNeal]

Too many weird douchbags into rolex these days. I can't really afford to be into Patek instead of rolex, but I frequently entertain the idea of liquidating my rolex collection and moving to tudor and other less recognizable, but high quality, brands.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by NachoNeal

Too many weird douchbags into rolex these days. I can't really afford to be into Patek instead of rolex, but I frequently entertain the idea of liquidating my rolex collection and moving to tudor and other less recognizable, but high quality, brands.

BB58 is just sick

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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

BB58 is just sick

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[RyanJ]

Why do people continue to compare Rolex to Patek / High Horology pieces? The 2 could not be more different and are in entirely different leagues. It is really silly to even compare.

Patek and other brands like ALS are the upper echelon of high horology and are simply art on the wrist that also happens to be a nice watch.

Rolex is a mass-produced watch that is highly reliable, well designed, affordable luxury (at msrp) when compared to other high horology brands, and has a brand name with very high cache.

Any watch can be a 1 watch that lasts a lifetime. Rolex doesn't have a patent on that experience. Sure, if you are an avid diver and MUST wear a "luxury" timepiece when diving then a watch that can handle that water resistance is a must for you... You could also be an avid diver, wear a dive computer or one of the many digital watches designed specifically for diving, and slap on your Patek when not diving. All depends on the person.

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by RyanJ

Why do people continue to compare Rolex to Patek / High Horology pieces? The 2 could not be more different and are in entirely different leagues. It is really silly to even compare.

Patek and other brands like ALS are the upper echelon of high horology and are simply art on the wrist that also happens to be a nice watch.

Rolex is a mass-produced watch that is highly reliable, well designed, affordable luxury (at msrp) when compared to other high horology brands, and has a brand name with very high cache.

Any watch can be a 1 watch that lasts a lifetime. Rolex doesn't have a patent on that experience. Sure, if you are an avid diver and MUST wear a "luxury" timepiece when diving then a watch that can handle that water resistance is a must for you... You could also be an avid diver, wear a dive computer or one of the many digital watches designed specifically for diving, and slap on your Patek when not diving. All depends on the person.

Did you read the OP?

It was just a question about whether someone would choose a Gold Rolex or a Stainless Patek. It wasn't about which company has superior horology. Not everyone wants or likes what Patek offers. Not everyone puts horology above every other attribute.

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[Ichiran]

Hmm, let me quote OP verbatim:
"How much does the recognizability of a Rolex, as a fine and expensive timepiece, by a non-WIS, influence your love for the brand and buying decision making?"

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Hmm, let me quote OP verbatim:
"How much does the recognizability of a Rolex, as a fine and expensive timepiece, by a non-WIS, influence your love for the brand and buying decision making?"

And my answer would have to be, "Not at all."

I wanted a Rolex Submariner since I was a little kid. When I finally made the decision to buy one I did look at other brands of course to try and learn a bit more about them, what the alternatives might be and so on. I always came back to the sub though for a few reasons. Overall their general reliability seemed to be very good. And I liked their design aesthetic better than the rest.

PP is nice and if I was made of money I might have one but there are few things about the design that just don't appeal to me. I'd be more likely to go with a VC or GP if I was going to go a little fancier. Or a Cartier Santos which is a completely different look but still a congruent design aesthetic that is executed as well as a Rolex (IMHO).

TBH movement finishing is not really a consideration for me. I want accuracy, durability and reliability in a mechanical movement.

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

And my answer would have to be, "Not at all."

I wanted a Rolex Submariner since I was a little kid. When I finally made the decision to buy one I did look at other brands of course to try and learn a bit more about them, what the alternatives might be and so on. I always came back to the sub though for a few reasons. Overall their general reliability seemed to be very good. And I liked their design aesthetic better than the rest.

PP is nice and if I was made of money I might have one but there are few things about the design that just don't appeal to me. I'd be more likely to go with a VC or GP if I was going to go a little fancier. Or a Cartier Santos which is a completely different look but still a congruent design aesthetic that is executed as well as a Rolex (IMHO).

TBH movement finishing is not really a consideration for me. I want accuracy, durability and reliability in a mechanical movement.

I don’t think both movement finishing and durability/accuracy/reliability are mutually exclusive? Most Patek Philippes have both to a certain extend. It’s just that the main focus of Patek Philippe is the finishing while Rolex is more of a workhorse with some luxury to it. I would say that each of them focus on a different aspect of horology and both can go-exist together in the same space.

I don’t understand why one has to be put the other down in order to justify the superiority of the other, particularly here o TRF.

[Llamathurst]

I have both. Fill a completely different watch niche. Don't really care about the economic utility and barely about the brand recognition.

Besides, if Rolex and Patek are the continuum, Vacheron is the best of both worlds. <stirs pot>