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[Andad]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

To be on the safe side, I would pull up the Wikipedia for „sarcasm“

Then I can restate it.

“There is only one white tag in the whole world for each watch, it's unique and precious!”

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Not to put oil into the fire here but since this is set to become one of those threads, how about the original delivery coffins? I mean it’s not like the watches got to the AD in the boxes we get them in. I respect that some folks want all the paraphernalia and ancillaries with their watch - whether I understand it or not - but shouldn’t those folks also want the plastic factory delivery coffin then with the styrofoam inserts to hold the watch? Wouldn’t that be needed to be coherent with the notion of a „full set“? I mean there has to be some objective measure of what constitutes a full set and it’s either everything that is somehow involved with the watch leaving the factory and reaching the consumer (i.e. delivery coffin, stickers, tags, presentation box, warranty card, whathaveyou) or, it is defined by what the authorized seller is required (by Rolex) to deliver, but that would not include the white tag. Anything else seems a bit arbitrary.

It's paper delivery coffins, not plastic.
Used to be plastic.
I can buy them for a few dollars on eBay. I can buy boxes and pouches and sleaves and green handtags --- many trusted sellers but then in bulk...I CANNOT BUY OR FIND THE ONE AND ONLY WHITE HANDTAG SPECIFIC TO THAT WATCH THAT IS SERIALIZED.
Again -- two main factors completeness and authenticity (or a higher degree of reassurance of authenticity or original form the watch was shipped from Rolex) making it more desirable to many owners even ones that do not plan on reselling, and certainly to many buyers particularly for certain models.... We know they are not worthless - de facto incorrect because many buyers would rather have them and would pay more for them. In contrast, the green tag can be bought letter and is considered a plastic.

I also like to have the plastic bezel but again not watch specific. Easily can be paid for.

Now that we're are talking getting into it, what about the very thin styrofoam covering the green Rolex box?

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[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

It's paper delivery coffins, not plastic.
Used to be plastic.
I can buy them for a few dollars on eBay. I can buy boxes and pouches and sleaves and green handtags --- many trusted sellers but then in bulk...I CANNOT BUY OR FIND THE ONE AND ONLY WHITE HANDTAG SPECIFIC TO THAT WATCH THAT IS SERIALIZED.
Again -- two main factors completeness and authenticity (or a higher degree of reassurance of authenticity or original form the watch was shipped from Rolex) making it more desirable to many owners even ones that do not plan on reselling, and certainly to many buyers particularly for certain models.... We know they are not worthless - de facto incorrect because many buyers would rather have them and would pay more for them. In contrast, the green tag can be bought letter and is considered a plastic.

I also like to have the plastic bezel but again not watch specific. Easily can be paid for.

Now that we're are talking getting into it, what about the very thin styrofoam covering the green Rolex box?

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No need to shout in all caps man, like I said, I respect (albeit still don’t understand) that some folks‘ hearts just want what some folks‘ hearts want. But these folks don’t own the words „full set“. What is or is not a full set was the question I was getting at and a delivery coffin, plastic or cardboard, that you bought from E-Bay will never be the one your watch came in either. So how does that contribute to what is a full set?

I would argue a full set is what you have to get from the AD, period, there may be extras certain people have emotional attachment to, but that doesn’t make anyone’s „set“ any less full. Or, the full set is all that left the factory, but then the follow up question is whether it’s an „original full set“ or one that was subsequently cobbled together on an auction site.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

No need to shout in all caps man, like I said, I respect (albeit still don’t understand) that some folks‘ hearts just want what some folks‘ hearts want. But these folks don’t own the words „full set“. What is or is not a full set was the question I was getting at and a delivery coffin, plastic or cardboard, that you bought from E-Bay will never be the one your watch came in either. So how does that contribute to what is a full set?



I would argue a full set is what you have to get from the AD, period, there may be extras certain people have emotional attachment to, but that doesn’t make anyone’s „set“ any less full. Or, the full set is all that left the factory, but then the follow up question is whether it’s an „original full set“ or one that was subsequently cobbled together on an auction site.

You could have a full set without a paper coffin - not fullly complete if you're lacking the white serial. That's all. Matters for some more than others depending on various factors discussed above

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[rufio0811]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

It's paper delivery coffins, not plastic.
Used to be plastic.
I can buy them for a few dollars on eBay. I can buy boxes and pouches and sleaves and green handtags --- many trusted sellers but then in bulk...I CANNOT BUY OR FIND THE ONE AND ONLY WHITE HANDTAG SPECIFIC TO THAT WATCH THAT IS SERIALIZED.
Again -- two main factors completeness and authenticity (or a higher degree of reassurance of authenticity or original form the watch was shipped from Rolex) making it more desirable to many owners even ones that do not plan on reselling, and certainly to many buyers particularly for certain models.... We know they are not worthless - de facto incorrect because many buyers would rather have them and would pay more for them. In contrast, the green tag can be bought letter and is considered a plastic.

I also like to have the plastic bezel but again not watch specific. Easily can be paid for.

Now that we're are talking getting into it, what about the very thin styrofoam covering the green Rolex box?

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You must be fun at parties

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by rufio0811

You must be fun at parties

Welcome. So clever!

Very. Not as much as when I was younger.

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[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

You could have a full set without a paper coffin - not fullly complete if you're lacking the white serial. That's all. Matters for some more than others depending on various factors discussed above

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So, to summarize, the metric for war constitutes a full set is whatever you say constitutes a full set?

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

So, to summarize, the metric for war constitutes a full set is whatever you say constitutes a full set?

No. Do you dispute that a full and complete set would require the white serial hand tag? Just yes or no, please.

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[padi56]

Originally Posted by Andad

Then I can restate it.

“There is only one white tag in the whole world for each watch, it's unique and precious!”

Quite true but so EASILY to replicate its just a bit of paper stuck on a bit of white plastic.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

No. Do you dispute that a full and complete set would require the white serial hand tag? Just yes or no, please.

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I am not the judge of what a full set is. But having the notion require certain things and not others seems arbitrary.

What I can say is that a sensible notion in my eyes, being purely my subjective view on the matter, would not include the white tag, because it’s not something that’s part of the scope of delivery, i.e. not part of the product the AD is required to hand you when you buy the watch.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Andad

Then I can restate it.

“There is only one white tag in the whole world for each watch, it's unique and precious!”

I think you might have misunderstood me. Don’t know if you did on purpose, but it was truly funny, so thanks for the laugh

[Stew7]

This thread is one huge eyeroll. If your ownership experience is truly enriched by having the white tag, then that's cool for those folks. If you don't see any need for it, then that's cool too. It's well known that many ADs around the world do not include the white tag in the purchase.

I haven't seen anyone state how much that tag is worth to them... $10, $100, $1000? I also don't see any trends in the used market that have any correlation to the white tags. I consider it a nicety but not a necessity.

A full set used to be inner/outer boxes, manuals, warranty card/papers. At some point, people started stretching that to plastic coffins, white paper tags, bezel protectors, etc. and it's gone a bit ridiculous.

Go out and wear the watches. The more you do that, the less you'll care about the extra bits sitting in the closet. Interestingly, these discussions don't happen on the Omega, PP, AP forums because they're out enjoying their watches.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by Stew7

This thread is one huge eyeroll. …
A full set used to be inner/outer boxes, manuals, warranty card/papers. At some point, people started stretching that to plastic coffins, white paper tags, bezel protectors, etc. and it's gone a bit ridiculous.

Go out and wear the watches. The more you do that, the less you'll care about the extra bits sitting in the closet. Interestingly, these discussions don't happen on the Omega, PP, AP forums because they're out enjoying their watches.

Amen

[rufio0811]

Originally Posted by Stew7

A full set used to be inner/outer boxes, manuals, warranty card/papers. At some point, people started stretching that to plastic coffins, white paper tags, bezel protectors, etc. and it's gone a bit ridiculous.

It's only a full set if it comes from the plastic hang tag region of Switzerland otherwise they're just sparkling sets.

[luk4s83]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I must admit I don’t understand what the fuss is all about. Why would anyone object to people being glad to have a tag confirming that their brand new Rolex is configured exactly as first put together at the factory, by Rolex. I would suppose we would all want that peace of mind, when spending thousands of dollars on one wrist watch. The only passion involved is making sure we got the exact watch, for which we paid. It’s really that simple.

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Because building the hype around the plastic tags is misleading and doesn’t serve anyone. How do I know? Well, I’m on a waitlist for Explorer II but since the wait takes forever I decided to get 16710 as well, and that became my first Rolex. I skipped a lot of great pieces, including truly unpolished examples with boxes and papers. I skipped them only because I was chasing the stupid, useless plastic tag. I was doing that because based on knowledge I gathered from YT and forum "experts" initially I thought the tag is necessary, means a lot and makes the watch legit. I wasn't aware that a lot of watches never even came with them brand new from AD's. That being said I saw a lot of 16710's being sold with tags but with wrong dials, incorrect cases, boxes etc… If you’re buying a new watch from the AD I guess you can ask them to include the tag, but really that doesn’t change anything and certainly doesn’t serve anyone :)


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[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by rufio0811

It's only a full set if it comes from the plastic hang tag region of Switzerland otherwise they're just sparkling sets.

Who knew we’d go from „box and papers bro!“ to „I got them plastic tags man!“, and so darn quickly too…

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

Not to put oil into the fire here but since this is set to become one of those threads, how about the original delivery coffins? I mean it’s not like the watches got to the AD in the boxes we get them in. I respect that some folks want all the paraphernalia and ancillaries with their watch - whether I understand it or not - but shouldn’t those folks also want the plastic factory delivery coffin then with the styrofoam inserts to hold the watch? Wouldn’t that be needed to be coherent with the notion of a „full set“? I mean there has to be some objective measure of what constitutes a full set and it’s either everything that is somehow involved with the watch leaving the factory and reaching the consumer (i.e. delivery coffin, stickers, tags, presentation box, warranty card, whathaveyou) or, it is defined by what the authorized seller is required (by Rolex) to deliver, but that would not include the white tag. Anything else seems a bit arbitrary.

Some folks do ask for them. They are just temporary delivery vessels, and not unique to the watch. You can buy them on eBay, if you want one. I don’t consider them important.

Kat


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[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Tom Arai

So yes people who did not receive plastic tag have lesser watch than you that is no attitude to have. Some have information given on receipt as written elsewhere and others in past have said they got information on separate paper of tag instead.

You take superior attitude because you have tags it’s very simple to see all these people same thing, try to be better than other. Expert who work for Rolex say it worthless. Other members say Rolex can check serial number and get all information. All information is stored makes no difference if have tag or don’t have tag, can still have changed dial and bracelet like many have said. All this fact and still want to believe plastic piece is key to real and make your watch better than other people.

People fighting saying others have stolen watches or would never buy another’s watch they bought from AD without tag they were never given. This is not passion for watches and yes is unfortunate discussion like I replied my friend earlier.

No, Tom , I don’t think anyone’s Rolex is lesser than mine, quite the contrary. I don’t own any high end pieces. If anything, most watches owned by folks on this forum are superior to mine. That is not what is being discussed. I just like knowing that my tiny collection of lower end Rolexes are exactly as they initially left the factory. I don’t know why that would offend anyone. I ‘m just glad I have complete sets, including those white hang tags that are specific to my watches only.

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[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by padi56

Quite true but so EASILY to replicate its just a bit of paper stuck on a bit of white plastic.

No paper involved. The plastic is directly imbedded with the watch’s specifics, different from the older green ones with paper stickers. I would imagine, the white ones are more difficult to replicate, aka counterfeit.

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[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Some folks do ask for them. They are just temporary delivery vessels, and not unique to the watch. You can buy them on eBay, if you want one. I don’t consider them important.

Kat


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All correct, but the question I tried to get at was: what makes or makes not a „full set“. With all the respect I have for you, it cannot be what you, as one individual, find important, nor can it be what any other individual finds important. In a world in which we all use that term colloquially, there has to be some broader agreement as to what it means.

[phonefool]

Originally Posted by vipereaper30

I wonder how many stolen watches you may have in your possession.

You misunderstood my post. Maybe it’s my fault it was late when I wrote it. Category 5 is the most desirable. Of course I prefer to have the complete set. The white tag is cool to have as its unique to the watch as is the papers/card. However, its not a deal breaker on a watch I plan to wear often. It is a deal breaker on a watch I plan to keep in the safe. Every purchase is unique.

That being said, your response is quite silly. Serial numbers are etched into the watch. Ive spent a lot of time doing business with international multi millionaires. A huge percentage of them could give 2 poops about saving the tags. Half the time they can’t even find the card because they travel and live in between several properties. They buy these watches and wear the crap out of them until they’re bored with it and want something new.

To even suggest I may have stolen watches in my possession based on that premise is wild.

[acorn]

“Full set now must include a piece of plastic that ADs don’t even give to people, as they must box and papers”

Said everyone who got the sacred plastic.

The hype train is running full steam in here.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

I am not the judge of what a full set is. But having the notion require certain things and not others seems arbitrary.



What I can say is that a sensible notion in my eyes, being purely my subjective view on the matter, would not include the white tag, because it’s not something that’s part of the scope of delivery, i.e. not part of the product the AD is required to hand you when you buy the watch.

Yes or no answer. You failed. Good day.

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[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Stew7

This thread is one huge eyeroll. If your ownership experience is truly enriched by having the white tag, then that's cool for those folks. If you don't see any need for it, then that's cool too. It's well known that many ADs around the world do not include the white tag in the purchase.

I haven't seen anyone state how much that tag is worth to them... $10, $100, $1000? I also don't see any trends in the used market that have any correlation to the white tags. I consider it a nicety but not a necessity.

A full set used to be inner/outer boxes, manuals, warranty card/papers. At some point, people started stretching that to plastic coffins, white paper tags, bezel protectors, etc. and it's gone a bit ridiculous.

Go out and wear the watches. The more you do that, the less you'll care about the extra bits sitting in the closet. Interestingly, these discussions don't happen on the Omega, PP, AP forums because they're out enjoying their watches.

Wow come on, you make it too easy when you put a plastic bezel protector on the same level coupled with a white serial hand tag.

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[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Some folks do ask for them. They are just temporary delivery vessels, and not unique to the watch. You can buy them on eBay, if you want one. I don’t consider them important.

Kat


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I already tried to inform them - it's not clicking.

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[Callmepeshy]

Also… all of this is irrelevant and the tags are useless IF you buy a watch from an AD and don’t plan on selling it (which is the situation I’m in and I have all my white tags either way).

However if you do plan on selling at some point or you buy from anywhere other than AD brand new, I can see the value they bring to alleviate concern about changes from the original piece.

Simple summary

[worldofoyster]

Originally Posted by acorn

“Full set now must include a piece of plastic that ADs don’t even give to people, as they must box and papers”

Said everyone who got the sacred plastic.

The hype train is running full steam in here.

sounds like a reseller to me.

All the ADs that i purchased a watch from provide the white tag. As long as you ask politely, I don't see why they wouldn't give it to you, at least the ones that i work with told me that they will trash it anyway, they DO NOT send it back to rolex.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by Nav01L

All correct, but the question I tried to get at was: what makes or makes not a „full set“. With all the respect I have for you, it cannot be what you, as one individual, find important, nor can it be what any other individual finds important. In a world in which we all use that term colloquially, there has to be some broader agreement as to what it means.

It means whatever your specific AD provides to you, when you buy a brand new Rolex. At my AD it is inner and outer box, with the styrofoam protecting the green box, and the cardboard sleeve over the outer box. Inside the box are the watch, the green hang tag, the white hang tag, the links that were removed, and the detailed receipt. All of this is then put in the AD branded carry bag with handles. No coffin or bezel protector, from my AD. At many ADs it’s very similar, but some withhold the white hang tag. So there is no standard full set. Some folks would include the coffin and bezel protector as part of their full set. Those are not important to me, and I never asked for either. All I’m saying is that I’m glad my full sets include the white hang tags. I’m confused as to how my liking having them makes me wrong, or a bad person who feels superior, in any way. None of that is accurate. I just feel fortunate to have the white hang tags tucked away inside my green boxes.

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[Deppe]

Originally Posted by padi56

Quite true but so EASILY to replicate its just a bit of paper stuck on a bit of white plastic.

Don't give me this! They may be able to fake the watch to such a degree that you have to open the watch to see if its real. They may be able to fake the box and papers, including the card with the NFC chip in it, but I will simply not sit here and listen to claims that they will be able to fake the plastic hangtag! The last true bastion of a 100% original (full set) Rolex!

Some people are all about "box and papers?" - I, myself, are more of a "Box, papers and hangtag" kind of guy!

[TikTok]

If I’ve paid for it I want it included.