32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

The watchmaker I referenced (not by name out of respect, but you can read what he's posted here) is employed AT the Geneva RSC to service watches, including the 3235.

I do not know who works in Geneva at the RSC.

If I did when i am there again (Post covid flight restrictions) I would ask for him (If I knew who it was).

I am in geneve reasonably frequently , especially at Rolex's next door neighbours.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dirt

A bit like European cars in my part of the world.
They're great whilst they're still in warranty.

In Rolex we trust

Dirt,

Your closing statement about who you trust is a little at odds with what you have just said above it.

Switzerland, the home of Rolex watches IS in Europe.

[MikeyV]

Charles, you've been here for sixteen years, me for three.

Let's just say, word on the street is that there have been no updates to parts or procedure.

And I will say again that I don't believe for a minute that all RSCs do not use the latest training, parts and procedures.

If Rolex is getting a boatload of 32xx movements sent in for service for running slow, you bet they're looking at it and that the latest parts/oiling/etc is used company-wide. They don't want to do a bunch of free $800 services - plus parts, plus shipping.

They make a million watches a year. Most with 32xx movements now.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

Let's just say, word on the street is that there have been no updates to parts or procedure.

And I will say again that I don't believe for a minute that all RSCs do not use the latest training, parts and procedures.

If Rolex is getting a boatload of 32xx movements sent in for service for running slow, you bet they're looking at it and that the latest parts/oiling/etc is used company-wide. They don't want to do a bunch of free $800 services - plus parts, plus shipping.

They make a million watches a year. Most with 32xx movements now.

"Word on the Street" is certainly NOT anything to do with anything factual. it is exactly what it says also known as a Rumor ! Rumors have no place in this thread.

Your NOT believing that not all RSC's are up-to the same place is factually and known to be wrong.
Rolex have a research centre in Switzerland that looks at movements not just for new design but to ensjure what they have done is and stays up to standard.
When Geneva discovers something they research it thoroughly. The first place to try the fix is always the SAV in Geneva.
If and when they find something they might have to remake a part ... That takes time and even more time to roll out to all RSC's across the globe.

It is beleived that Rolex produce approximately 1 million finished and cased watches a year. Movements are made in advance of the cases for some models by necessity. The 32xx movements are still relatively new on the block. There will be a long time to go before the 32xx movement can be deemed to be a perfect movement.

Rolex, Like any reputable company will always be happy to do a service on a watch that is not performing well and they will do it for free if they know its their responsibility. They may charge the retail figure of $800 that you mentioned but it does not cost them anywhere near that amount to do.

You previously mentioned a watchmaker on the forum who works at the RSC in Geneva.
That's astonishing ... We know Rolex do read these forums, but they do NOT post, Employees are not permitted to post. They could loose ther job if they did.
One of the good and valid reasons is that Rolex is one of the best companies in the world at keeping secrets, and they have every intention of keeping it that way.
Watchmakers and the like posting could easily make a mistake and release information.

But, ALL of this digressed from the main subject of this thread and therefore I will return to the subject and not enter into this ridiculous discussion which is a total waste of time any further.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

The 32xx movements are still relatively new on the block. There will be a long time to go before the 32xx movement can be deemed to be a perfect movement.

Charles,
Three things to consider.

1. There is no such thing as a perfect movement.
That is unless one classifies the 31xx series of movements as being perfect
2. The 32xx series looks like it has been suffering from the same problem since its introduction. That's running to about 4 years and counting with in excess of 26% being problematic for owners and when the poll started it was running at over 31%. That's a fact which is not in dispute. Otherwise this thread would not have ever existed at all.
3. If Rolex could've fixed it without much trouble, they would have by now.

We still await confirmation of updates around the issue.

[Dennisoul]

Here’s today’s results for my 126334 3235..48 hours after full wind, not touched and been left dial up until today’s test.
All protocol followed…



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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Here’s today’s results for my 126334 3235..48 hours after full wind, not touched and been left dial up until today’s test.

Hi Andy,

Thanks for those results but ....

Are you sure about the 9U figure ?

I am just thinking perhaps the 9U test should be repeated gently.

the error is suprisingly high. I would expect to see that error after around 65+ hours and then in all the positions.

From your current readings I make the following ....

X Rate is -5spd
X Amplitude is 178
X B.E. is 0.1

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Hi Andy,

Thanks for those results but ....

Are you sure about the 9U figure ?

I am just thinking perhaps the 9U test should be repeated gently.

the error is suprisingly high. I would expect to see that error after around 65+ hours and then in all the positions.

From your current readings I make the following ....

Rate is -5spd
Amplitude is 178
B.E. is 0.1

I’ll do the 9U position again just to confirm Charles


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[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Hi Andy,

Thanks for those results but ....

Are you sure about the 9U figure ?

I am just thinking perhaps the 9U test should be repeated gently.

the error is suprisingly high. I would expect to see that error after around 65+ hours and then in all the positions.

From your current readings I make the following ....

Rate is -5spd
Amplitude is 178
B.E. is 0.1

Charles did the 9U again…left it for 15 mins in 9U position and has settled at 13.5 s/d,
maybe just too quick with the first test…so change the 18 for 13.5 please


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

maybe just too quick with the first test

Thanks,

the difference isnt that great between your first and second test results.

the rate X if you just change to the newer -13.5 comes out at ...

X rate: -4spd

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Thanks,

the difference isnt that great between your first and second test results.

the rate X if you just change to the newer -13.5 comes out at ...

X rate: -4spd

Ok cheers


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Ok cheers

hang on for saxo3 to appear I know he will. He will have some thoughts on the 9U being so different to the other results.

I can not recall ... When was your watch first purchased and has it been serviced, regulated or otherwise "Played with" .

[saxo3]

Ref. 126334, DJ41 (3235), purchase date 08/2017
48 hours after full winding

Xrate = -5.0 s/d (-4.1 s/d corrected)
Xamplitude (horizontal) = 207 degrees
Xamplitude (vertical) = 158 degrees

Two questions:
Your iPhone has a calculator, or?
Are you satisfied with the results?

Thanks for delivering data!

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Ref. 126334, DJ41 (3235), purchase date 08/2017
48 hours after full winding

Xrate = -5.0 s/d (-4.1 s/d corrected)
Xamplitude (horizontal) = 207 degrees
Xamplitude (vertical) = 158 degrees

Two questions:
Your iPhone has a calculator, or?
Are you satisfied with the results?

Thanks for delivering data!

Yes, happy with with results…

Are these results similar to other people’s results after full wind….24 hours and 48 hours?
What I did notice is, the actual real time on the watch hasn’t lost any seconds at all


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

....some thoughts on the 9U being so different to the other results.

His 9U amplitude value (152 degrees) was already pretty low in the first measurement.

Again in the second measurement(157 degrees)

The rate non-reproducibility (-18 s/d to -13 s/d) in this position seems to be associated with the low amplitude?

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

hang on for saxo3 to appear I know he will. He will have some thoughts on the 9U being so different to the other results.

I can not recall ... When was your watch first purchased and has it been serviced, regulated or otherwise "Played with" .

Hasn’t been serviced or touched/ played with in any way ….was bought August 2017, brand new from an AD…..the actual real time on the watch from when I first wound it up, hasn’t lost or gained any seconds, still bang on time with the atomic clock


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[CharlesN]

I knew you wold be along here soon..

I do not recall the date of purchase of the watch and i am using my phonen to reply so I have a very small screen to search with.

To my thoughts .... Its a BIG loss with Low amplitude.

But ... As I have just read the "Real World" time is good.

Its healthy to be confused and to get the brain cells working again.

This is a 32xx watch from the beginning. And has never been touched.

I am thinking that the watch is still under warranty just .. And with that error I would like the RSC in Kent to, at the very least, regulate it. They may do a full service if they think something is a bit "Odd"

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Are these results similar to other people’s results after full wind….24 hours and 48 hours?

Read the thread?
Take another data point at 60 hours, it may not reach 70 hours

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Yes, happy with with results… What I did notice is, the actual real time on the watch hasn’t lost any seconds at all

That's the most important thing!

If I remember correctly, you have several watches with 31xx movements, right?

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Read the thread?


That's the most important thing!

If I remember correctly, you have several watches with 31xx movements, right?

Yes …16570, 214270, 14060m, 116610ln


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[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I knew you wold be along here soon..

I do not recall the date of purchase of the watch and i am using my phonen to reply so I have a very small screen to search with.

To my thoughts .... Its a BIG loss with Low amplitude.

But ... As I have just read the "Real World" time is good.

Its healthy to be confused and to get the brain cells working again.

This is a 32xx watch from the beginning. And has never been touched.

I am thinking that the watch is still under warranty just .. And with that error I would like the RSC in Kent to, at the very least, regulate it. They may do a full service if they think something is a bit "Odd"

Yes I probably send it in while still under warranty


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Yes send it in while still under warranty

Andy,

i would send it in now.
i would enclose some photos of the weishi timer screen showing the low amplitude and error.

I have just has my wife's Lady Datejust regulated ... It came back not well done at all and I have sent it back with printouts. They agreed it was not good and my wife's 2 year old watch is just finishing having its first service, free of course.

Hopefully it will be back with me on Friday and it will go straight onto the timer.

As you have time, I think you should send your watch in, send it direct, not via an AD, and then if it comes back not in a great way then you also have time to give it back to them to do it again but better.

Prior to sending it in please take lots of readings and keep them. Send them all to saxo3 also and he will hopefully prepare a before and after graph.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by charlesn

prior to sending it in please take lots of readings and keep them. Send them all to saxo3 also and he will hopefully prepare a before and after graph.

£££ $$$ €€€

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by saxo3

£££££££££

OH DEAR ...

saxo3 seems to want to be bribed !!!

Money wont do the trick.

I have heard that Swiss chocolate is the only way.

[saxo3]

Wrong, I don't like chocolate

[CharlesN]

All of those crowns are from Triplock watches.

You have a nice collection there.

[CharlesN]

Maybe this evening I should have a hot chocolate sitting beside a lake stirred in the true Rolex fashion ……




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[saxo3]

First continuous amplitude, rate, and precision measurements ... coming soon
Only 1 data point to be corrected

[TheVTCGuy]

I tried to understand the graph information in the above post but my head exploded.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I tried to understand the graph information in the above post but my head exploded.

Within less than 1 minute? BS

Get professional help my friend, you really need it

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Within less than 1 minute? BS

Get professional help my friend, you really need it

You’ll get no argument from me on that!