iPhone 4S or the 5

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Whats the difference between Applecare and Applecare+ please?

I cannot find anything on the Apple UK store.

+ also includes accidental damage (water, screen, etc) for $20/yr more. Such coverages probably vary quite a bit market by market.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by CashGap

+ also includes accidental damage (water, screen, etc) for $20/yr more. Such coverages probably vary quite a bit market by market.

$99 plus $49 fee per event is pricey. Granted, its cheaper than having to buy a new phone off contract but its still pricey.

The wording in the terms and conditions are also sketchy enough for me not to trust the judgement of the person handling my claim.

[TheVTCGuy]

Being a Geek... I was going to jump all over the 4S, just buy it, but honestly, I don't see what the big advantage is I will probably wait until a couple reviews come in from actual users, not the write-ups.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by CashGap

+ also includes accidental damage (water, screen, etc) for $20/yr more. Such coverages probably vary quite a bit market by market.

Thank you.

[JPS]

Originally Posted by dalip

Galaxy S2 is way ahead . Loving mine .

In what ways mate? Always keen to hear other owners thoughts.

[kcmo]

I've been wanting an iPhone for a couple of years. Preordered my iPhone 4S about 30min ago and ported my line from T-Mobile to AT&T. Yes my bill is going up more than I'd like but I've had it with Blackberry and T-Mobile's lackluster phone selection.

[masterserg]

Well, AT&T just solved the problem for me. If I want to upgrade, they would give me a 200 bucks credit towards the $650 total ... leaving a $450 balance....

Ummm ... I'll keep my 4 thanks very much.

[dalip]

Originally Posted by JPS

In what ways mate? Always keen to hear other owners thoughts.

The phone feels lighter and slimmer. It allows the user to
modify their phone to their own preferences easily . It has way more functionality . The bigger screen is a winner and seems better designed for online use. I keep finding more and more the phone can do. Voice commands work easily. Drive mode is ideal. Tapatalk feels better....let's face it that matters!! This is after 3iphones and all things apple . I still enjoy the pad, and macbooks ....but unless apple substantially redesign the brick that is the 4 I think they're going to lose a lot of customers like me.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by dalip

The phone feels lighter and slimmer. It allows the user to
modify their phone to their own preferences easily . It has way more functionality . The bigger screen is a winner and seems better designed for online use. I keep finding more and more the phone can do. Voice commands work easily. Drive mode is ideal. Tapatalk feels better....let's face it that matters!! This is after 3iphones and all things apple . I still enjoy the pad, and macbooks ....but unless apple substantially redesign the brick that is the 4 I think they're going to lose a lot of customers like me.

I'll add to that with the newly released Galaxy S2 HD LTE. This is the basic "guts" on the Nexus Prime.

This screen is bigger and basically the same pixel density as Retina. Processor is faster too - 1.5GHz x 2 cores. Has NFC too.

http://thegadgetsite.com/2011/09/sam...y-s-ii-hd-lte/

Drive Mode (or "Car Home" on plain Google Android) is a great feature. Not sure why Apple hasn't dome that yet. Google's voice stuff is -unmatched-. It's in the cloud though, so no network, no voice recognition.


BTW, I used Google Wallet through the NFC feature on my Nexus S yesterday at the airport to buy my lunch. It was too cool.

[dalip]

Originally Posted by TheDude

I'll add to that with the newly released Galaxy S2 HD LTE. This is the basic "guts" on the Nexus Prime.

This screen is bigger and basically the same pixel density as Retina. Processor is faster too - 1.5GHz x 2 cores. Has NFC too.

http://thegadgetsite.com/2011/09/sam...y-s-ii-hd-lte/

Drive Mode (or "Car Home" on plain Google Android) is a great feature. Not sure why Apple hasn't dome that yet. Google's voice stuff is -unmatched-. It's in the cloud though, so no network, no voice recognition.


[B]BTW, I used Google Wallet through the NFC feature on my Nexus S yesterday at the airport to buy my lunch. It was too cool

Nice

[NYC6]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

I paid $299 ($325.54 w/tax) for the 32gb which is the upgrade price for ATT

thanks

[CashGap]

Apple will likely upgrade the iPhone screen size.

Once people start growing longer thumbs.

There's no magic to building the phone with a 4", 4.25". 4.5", or 5" screen. The magic is figuring out the right screen size and resisting the urge to play "spec sheet" at users' expense.

Great explanation from dcurtis at link.



Saying "Yes" is easy. Yes! Put in the centronics port. Yes! Upgrade the screen size to 6"! What's that, the LTE chips are thicker, unstable, and use too much power? Put them in!

Saying "No" can be brilliant.

[masterserg]

Sam, as usual your post above is great.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Apple will likely upgrade the iPhone screen size.

Once people start growing longer thumbs.

There's no magic to building the phone with a 4", 4.25". 4.5", or 5" screen. The magic is figuring out the right screen size and resisting the urge to play "spec sheet" at users' expense.

Great explanation from dcurtis at link.



Saying "Yes" is easy. Yes! Put in the centronics port. Yes! Upgrade the screen size to 6"! What's that, the LTE chips are thicker, unstable, and use too much power? Put them in!

Saying "No" can be brilliant.

Bigger screens equate to more usable touchscreen keyboard keys. They also mean bigger videos.

Android has interactive widgets that can be placed on the screen, peppered among app icons. Some are bigger than others and a larger screen permits more of these widgets to be used.

Too big is bad, but we're nowhere near that point yet. Besides, Android gives the gift of choice. Pick the size that fits you. How can that not be better than the Model-T approach?

I can reach the far side of large screens just fine with one hand and I have short fingers. Dcurt.is must lack the dexterity to operate them one-handed. Many do not, but I can see the need to avoid things like this in the Apple ecosystem. The faithful have been known to "hold things wrong".

Typical of Apple fans, the only meaningless features are the ones they don't have. Some fans even manage to twist shortcomings into brilliant omissions.

"What? Our customers want LTE? Hrmmm, sure we could make the phone a bit bigger, but that would kill our accessories sales for at least a quarter and anger our accessories partners. We're Apple and our customers want what we tell them they want."


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[MB7000]

4 more days for shipment on our new iPhone 4s

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Bigger screens equate to more usable touchscreen keyboard keys. They also mean bigger videos.

Android has interactive widgets that can be placed on the screen, peppered among app icons. Some are bigger than others and a larger screen permits more of these widgets to be used.

Too big is bad, but we're nowhere near that point yet. Besides, Android gives the gift of choice. Pick the size that fits you. How can that not be better than the Model-T approach?

I can reach the far side of large screens just fine with one hand and I have short fingers. Dcurt.is must lack the dexterity to operate them one-handed. Many do not, but I can see the need to avoid things like this in the Apple ecosystem. The faithful have been known to "hold things wrong".

Typical of Apple fans, the only meaningless features are the ones they don't have. Some fans even manage to twist shortcomings into brilliant omissions.

"What? Our customers want LTE? Hrmmm, sure we could make the phone a bit bigger, but that would kill our accessories sales for at least a quarter and anger our accessories partners. We're Apple and our customers want what we tell them they want."


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Pow

[JPS]

What I love about Apple and where I think most people are missing the big trick here is that they make the hardware and produce the software to work seamlessly.

Google is a great company, but they are just about the software. I feel much more comfortable putting my faith in a company that has been producing the user experience in the way Apple does, than anybody else.

[RolexWatcher]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Apple will likely upgrade the iPhone screen size.

Once people start growing longer thumbs.

There's no magic to building the phone with a 4", 4.25". 4.5", or 5" screen. The magic is figuring out the right screen size and resisting the urge to play "spec sheet" at users' expense.

Great explanation from dcurtis at link.

Saying "Yes" is easy. Yes! Put in the centronics port. Yes! Upgrade the screen size to 6"! What's that, the LTE chips are thicker, unstable, and use too much power? Put them in!

Saying "No" can be brilliant.

Sorry I don't buy this "thumb" argument at all. I am using an iPhone at the moment and it would definitely benefit with a bigger size. I don't need Apple to tell me what is best for me.

Originally Posted by JPS

What I love about Apple and where I think most people are missing the big trick here is that they make the hardware and produce the software to work seamlessly.

Google is a great company, but they are just about the software. I feel much more comfortable putting my faith in a company that has been producing the user experience in the way Apple does, than anybody else.

TBH I see no difference in seamless compared to PC software. From my experience, some freeware music players works better and more seamless with my MP3s than iTunes.

[dalip]

Very strong arguments for the current alternatives to an iphone imo.

Bottom line for me as a previously massive supporter of the iphone....the galaxy s2 I have shifted to now is way ahead of my old iphone 4. Apple have not delivered and I see Samsung smart phones everywhere I used to see iphones .

I find all media way more compatible and easy to load .

Everyone I know that has compared them has had to drop in favor of the Samsung ......however reluctantly .

[TheDude]

I just got to play with Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) on the Nexus S.

Unreal. Such a giant leap forward from Gingerbread.


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[CashGap]

Originally Posted by TheDude

"What? Our customers want LTE? Hrmmm, sure we could make the phone a bit bigger, but that would kill our accessories sales for at least a quarter and anger our accessories partners. We're Apple and our customers want what we tell them they want."

Any guess how many preorders Apple would have had if they'd given the customers what they wanted? Let's start with the million they got the first day.

Hate can only go so far, logic trumps. "Everyone wants bigger screens. Apple won't give customers what they want. But more customers buy what Apple sells, and report higher usage and satisfaction, and higher upgrade rates. But that's because they are drones, they don't know what they want. Uh... except obviously, they'd want bigger screens... uh... everyone wants bigger screens... you can't see it from the sales figures, but they just DO!!!".

Gruber makes a great point about "the Pepsi challenge". An oversized phone screen seems like a GREAT idea in the store, just as a sip of too-sweet Pepsi tastes good in the challenge.

Hopefully, Apple will be able to muddle on without offering users what they want

And we both know how bad LTE is right now. "Customers want it" but again, as per above, they don't buy what they want... for some unknown reason... manufacturers kludge in LTE regardless of size, heat, stability, and battery life compromises both to grab the % that live in an LTE area and can suffer the tradeoffs, and the larger % that want the checkmark on the spec sheet. The phones exist, they capture small market shares, because for some reason customers don't buy what we know they want.

Hopefully, Tim Cook can right the ship, start offering customers what they want, and face the threat of Mango or whatever here today, gone tomorrow sliver product is the Great Hope.

Windows phone chief Andy Lees says he's surprised Apple isn't giving people what they want. He either knows something we don't know, or he's Ballmer-level delusional. If the former, expect to see some MASSIVE Mango phone presales at some point.

[watchf]

I have the Samsung Galaxy S2 i9100 and its the best phone I have used in my entire life! One minor thing I found is that the phone is so thin and light that its hard to have a secure hold onto without a cover. The next upgrade they should use rubberised housing at th back instead of plain plastic housing for the back of the phone.

I was using Samsung Captivate SGH-I897 (AT&T's version of Galaxy S GT-i9000) before Galaxy S2 came out.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Any guess how many preorders Apple would have had if they'd given the customers what they wanted? Let's start with the million they got the first day.

Hate can only go so far, logic trumps. "Everyone wants bigger screens. Apple won't give customers what they want. But more customers buy what Apple sells, and report higher usage and satisfaction, and higher upgrade rates. But that's because they are drones, they don't know what they want. Uh... except obviously, they'd want bigger screens... uh... everyone wants bigger screens... you can't see it from the sales figures, but they just DO!!!".

Gruber makes a great point about "the Pepsi challenge". An oversized phone screen seems like a GREAT idea in the store, just as a sip of too-sweet Pepsi tastes good in the challenge.

Hopefully, Apple will be able to muddle on without offering users what they want

And we both know how bad LTE is right now. "Customers want it" but again, as per above, they don't buy what they want... for some unknown reason... manufacturers kludge in LTE regardless of size, heat, stability, and battery life compromises both to grab the % that live in an LTE area and can suffer the tradeoffs, and the larger % that want the checkmark on the spec sheet. The phones exist, they capture small market shares, because for some reason customers don't buy what we know they want.

Hopefully, Tim Cook can right the ship, start offering customers what they want, and face the threat of Mango or whatever here today, gone tomorrow sliver product is the Great Hope.

Windows phone chief Andy Lees says he's surprised Apple isn't giving people what they want. He either knows something we don't know, or he's Ballmer-level delusional. If the former, expect to see some MASSIVE Mango phone presales at some point.

Logic isn't necessary since we're getting all the industry numbers in. Android is eclipsing Apple for both market share and growth rates. Samsung is surpassing (or has surpassed) Apple as the largest smartphone manufacturer/seller.

LTE works just fine in tons of places, just not ATT places.

Newsflash - computers get hot and use power.


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[Rollie2011]

Who cares?? Get an Evo 4g!!

[Numismatist]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Any guess how many preorders Apple would have had if they'd given the customers what they wanted? Let's start with the million they got the first day.

Hate can only go so far, logic trumps. "Everyone wants bigger screens. Apple won't give customers what they want. But more customers buy what Apple sells, and report higher usage and satisfaction, and higher upgrade rates. But that's because they are drones, they don't know what they want. Uh... except obviously, they'd want bigger screens... uh... everyone wants bigger screens... you can't see it from the sales figures, but they just DO!!!".

Gruber makes a great point about "the Pepsi challenge". An oversized phone screen seems like a GREAT idea in the store, just as a sip of too-sweet Pepsi tastes good in the challenge.

Hopefully, Apple will be able to muddle on without offering users what they want

And we both know how bad LTE is right now. "Customers want it" but again, as per above, they don't buy what they want... for some unknown reason... manufacturers kludge in LTE regardless of size, heat, stability, and battery life compromises both to grab the % that live in an LTE area and can suffer the tradeoffs, and the larger % that want the checkmark on the spec sheet. The phones exist, they capture small market shares, because for some reason customers don't buy what we know they want.

Hopefully, Tim Cook can right the ship, start offering customers what they want, and face the threat of Mango or whatever here today, gone tomorrow sliver product is the Great Hope.

Windows phone chief Andy Lees says he's surprised Apple isn't giving people what they want. He either knows something we don't know, or he's Ballmer-level delusional. If the former, expect to see some MASSIVE Mango phone presales at some point.

You assume Apple is working for the end-consumer, but Apple is a corporation and as such a corporation works for the shareholders. I'd say Apple has it just right!

[kultschar]

Got offered £350 for my officially unlocked iPhone 4 which has had a pretty rough life!! Wasn't going to get the 4S but thought why not! :)

[bayerische]

I'm holding on for the iPhone 5. Not so much new in the "S".

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by Numismatist

You assume Apple is working for the end-consumer, but Apple is a corporation and as such a corporation works for the shareholders. I'd say Apple has it just right!

Nope, they had BETTER be working for the shareholders! Someone above mentioned market share, and if Apple ever starts making decisions by market share rather than profit share (which they dominate) the shareholders have a duty to revolt.

Apple services the consumer as a means of servicing shareholders.

Originally Posted by TheDude

Newsflash - computers get hot and use power.

Correct. Computer users will tolerate it, phone users won't.

[Numismatist]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Nope, they had BETTER be working for the shareholders! Someone above mentioned market share, and if Apple ever starts making decisions by market share rather than profit share (which they dominate) the shareholders have a duty to revolt.

Apple services the consumer as a means of servicing shareholders.

Yes, and the stock is soing quite well. So whether or not they are doing what is right for the consumer is moot. It's working.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Correct. Computer users will tolerate it, phone users won't.

Highly unlikely. Every handset can generate excessive heat, including Apple products. Drawing arbitrary lines to distinguish between "too hot" and "just right" is ridiculous (unless your name is Goldilocks).

Unless it burns you (in a true medical sense), user reaction to a warm/hot handset is subjective and opinions will differ.


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