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16 June 2013, 11:12 PM | #151 |
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Nissan and Lexus?
I thought it was Toyota and Lexus...
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My main point and case is my confusion at the success of the Audi R8, why anyone would spend that much money on an Audi when they can get an Aston Martin is beyond me. Again, I'm sure it's an amazing car but I would choose the Aston martin without any hesitation. |
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At the end of the day, I still subjectively prefer Rolex. You said yourself that your misinformed. Get informed and see if your opinion changes. If you only care about the name (which I think you've driven that point home), then I guess any open-minded research would be pointless. Kudos to Rolex marketing for getting to a point where folks will buy their product without considering price, quality, or competition. Amazing!
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It feels dated...isn't that fast...and doesn't handle as well compared to an R8. For the same reason I can't understand why someone would have a V8 R8 over a GTR as the GTR is streets ahead. |
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Great lively thread. Thanks and hats off to both sides.
I must say GS is likely better than Rolex. For those of us who buy a watch to please only yourself the debate is over. Those who buy a Rolex or any other brand to get noticed won't ever embrace GS. GS is to Rolex what a "Z" is to a Vette. Having had both the Vette gets more notice and the Z is better. |
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Thankfully, not everyone chooses a car based on numbers alone. I don't care which is faster, on UK roads is a moot point anyway and ALL of the above will be more than suitable. You choose what brings a smile to your face and for me, it was the Mercedes SL. If more cars of this calibre offered a hard top, I might start looking elsewhere. I didn't buy it to thrash around and show off how fast I can go. I bought it because nothing beats the feeling of an open top convertible that has the comfort and performance of a closed coupe in the fast lane... oh, and it's a Mercedes Mind you... a convertible with UK weather is probably also a moot point |
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Although quartz is the defining technology in seikos history which is nothing to be ashamed of, it's just not particularly what I want in a prestige watch, but there are exceptions to this rule obviously, the omega chrono quartz/albatross/Montreal springs to mind |
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As I stated in an earlier post, I'd own a GS if my list of Swiss and German watches I want wasn't so long. That list includes a few more Rolex but many more non-Rolex. One brand that isn't on my list but I'm watching is Federique Constant. I'm extremely impressed by what they are doing and at the price point they offer. Only time will tell if their marketing and acceptance in the watch world will create a lasting value for the brand. Oops. Sorry for the thread hijack. EXPLORER!! Now we're back on track. And happy father's day everyone. |
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No, not true: you have made several statements to the effect that the Grand Seiko line is a quartz-driven mechanical movement and if you'd like I can produce the quotes.
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Will do.
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if you care what others think: get the rolex
if you want a better watch: get the GS don't get me wrong; they're both great watches. the GS is just better from a purely horological point of view. but then if you want a watch that will really "take a licking," i'd probably go for the explorer.
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I'm fully aware of how it looks and I'm ok with it. I'm not saying Rolex is the ONLY brand I would choose, and I'm not saying I would never buy a Seiko. I'm saying I would never pay Rolex prices for a Seiko. I think my cap would be £250 Maximum and I have similar caps for most brands. Like I said, if this makes me a shallow person, I'm ok with it.
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Here you state that **any** GS's heritage is quartz, which implies that all have quartz movements (false), which are derived from earlier quartz movements (also false): Quote:
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Want more? Fine. You explicitly stated at several points over the course of the thread that Seiko's heritage is cheap quartz watches: Quote:
False, per Padi's post.
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I think Seiko should not use the name "Grand Seiko" when they decided to produce a premium segment because the mother brand name "Seiko" still stick to it.
Toyota is smart enough to totally come out with a new name "Lexus" instead of coming out as "Grand Toyota" I gotta say it works, people are accepting Lexus even thought they knew it was a premium Toyota. The same goes to: Nissan to Infinity, Honda to Acura If Seiko want to position their "Grand Seiko" segment to compete with the Swiss big boys, they gotta do it right in the first place. A brand name is very important and too bad they (Seiko) are building their business thru low end watches and slowly make their way up. People will remember that and associate that with their brand name. What if Patek announced that they will have a new USD 200 model coming out and still selling their Grand Complication series. What will people perceive against Patek? All those luxury brand they set their foundation right, never sell cheap in the first place, maintain and build from there not the other way around. Imagine Ford announced that they are coming with a "Grand Ford" series to compete against Porsche? People will debate and take times to accept "Grand Ford" even if "Grand Ford" is really better than a Porsche. Just like the case with Grand Seiko vs other Swiss big boys now, I know you are good but it takes time. |
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After 53 years, they are still not there, because if they succeed building their brand image, we won't be discussing here.
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I have no problem at all with the Omega brand/pricing even though I know they are owned by swatch. Would I buy a swatch for several thousand? No, but I would buy an Omega. I know it's not quite the same thing because Omega were established as a brand to start with but hopefully people can see where the problem lies. |
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If they've been around for 53 years, I'd guess they're doing well and are quite profitable.
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Grand Seiko has little presence at the moment. Seiko is already making good money from their "pedestrian line" |
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