1680 Red Submariner Back From RSC...9 Months Later.

[Sublovin]

This is insane! Love the watch. No disrespect to the vintage community,but beat up 1680’s with flaky dials appear to be a dime a dozen. This is a special watch, assuming they don’t re-release a red sub .
Very nice!

[nigelUK]

Looks absolutely fantastic ...

I bet those 9 months were unbearable ! Very rudely, I'd love to know the cost and work you had done, but I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want to disclose it.

Enjoy !

[LondonLukeM]

That looks incredible!! lovely stuff!

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

Personally, I would prefer this over a standard red sub, because at the very least I could wear it.

And why, exactly, couldn't you wear a "standard" vintage red 1680?

[Mansell92]

Originally Posted by swish77

And why, exactly, couldn't you wear a "standard" vintage red 1680?

Sorry, what I meant was I would be paranoid about damaging a vintage dial due to some random mishap.

[Mansell92]

Originally Posted by Sublovin

This is insane! Love the watch. No disrespect to the vintage community,but beat up 1680’s with flaky dials appear to be a dime a dozen. This is a special watch, assuming they don’t re-release a red sub .
Very nice!

Yeah I agree, thats why I was asking. To me this piece is far more unique that a vintage red sub. I wonder if the OP is around, perhaps he could give us a current status of this beautiful watch.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

Sorry, what I meant was I would be paranoid about damaging a vintage dial due to some random mishap.

Ah, well, that's part of the joy of wearing a valuable vintage Rolex!

[The Argonaut]

Still one of the best threads. Ever.


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[superstarmar]

One serious looking , fantastic beautiful gorgeous watch...

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

Sorry, what I meant was I would be paranoid about damaging a vintage dial due to some random mishap.

Thats silly...are you wearing your watches sans crystal?

These are tool watches...after 50 years of service they are still beautiful. I wear a vintage watch every single day 365 days a year...and have zero fear.

[andrewjb88]

Absolutely amazing! Need to get hold of one of these.

[emersm]

Originally Posted by Oscar1971

looks awsome i like it

Thank you

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I have a feeling most vintage collectors wouldn't touch this.

Originally Posted by Mansell92

so he paid just under 11k for this? I am just wondering if a piece like this went to market how much it would go for?

I am curious, also.

Originally Posted by Aceldama

Way to stay on top of it!

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Sublovin

This is insane! Love the watch. No disrespect to the vintage community,but beat up 1680’s with flaky dials appear to be a dime a dozen. This is a special watch, assuming they don’t re-release a red sub .
Very nice!

Originally Posted by nigelUK

Looks absolutely fantastic ...

I bet those 9 months were unbearable ! Very rudely, I'd love to know the cost and work you had done, but I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want to disclose it.

Enjoy !

Thanks. See post #66, I list the itemized cost of the service.

Originally Posted by LondonLukeM

That looks incredible!! lovely stuff!

Originally Posted by swish77

Ah, well, that's part of the joy of wearing a valuable vintage Rolex!

Originally Posted by The Argonaut

Still one of the best threads. Ever.

Originally Posted by superstarmar

One serious looking , fantastic beautiful gorgeous watch...

Thank you.

Originally Posted by andrewjb88

Absolutely amazing! Need to get hold of one of these.

Well, if the price was right.....

[The Argonaut]

Interesting point about value. I was wondering about this today. From looking around today, a new 1680 Red will cost minimum, $20k. Most cost around $20-30k+. Service red dials appear exceptionally rare. I found one that HQ Milton sold, but couldn’t see the price. I think a Service red would sell for around around $15k ish. However, I acknowledge this is a best guess based on the overall high desirability of a Red 1680 in mint condition. Many purists would avoid it, and it would not likely sell for the price of a vintage model.

Any thoughts?


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[Mansell92]

I think 15k is about right today. I think in a year or two it could be considerably more as this may be the only 'entry level' red dial some collectors may be able to afford as the vintage reds get priced out of reach.

The red service dials are staggeringly rare and I think in time, when the remaining few (if there are any) are installed into 1680's they will be worth quite a bit more. The days of finding a loose one in the wild are over.

[The Argonaut]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

I think 15k is about right today. I think in a year or two it could be considerably more as this may be the only 'entry level' red dial some collectors may be able to afford as the vintage reds get priced out of reach.

The red service dials are staggeringly rare and I think in time, when the remaining few (if there are any) are installed into 1680's they will be worth quite a bit more. The days of finding a loose one in the wild are over.

Nicely put. I've love to get one, but at $20k+ (and that's assuming I could find one for $20k when I'm ready to buy), I ask myself, "is the red writing really worth another $10k+ on top of a white dialed 1680?" Getting a white dial 1680 for $10-12k isn't too difficult. As much as I like the red, I tend to lean on no. Your assessment that service Red dials may be the most affordable right now is right on. However, they'll go up also.

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by The Argonaut

Interesting point about value. I was wondering about this today. From looking around today, a new 1680 Red will cost minimum, $20k. Most cost around $20-30k+. Service red dials appear exceptionally rare. I found one that HQ Milton sold, but couldn’t see the price. I think a Service red would sell for around around $15k ish. However, I acknowledge this is a best guess based on the overall high desirability of a Red 1680 in mint condition. Many purists would avoid it, and it would not likely sell for the price of a vintage model.

Any thoughts?

Personally I wouldn't pay near that. An original vintage piece commands high dollars because its an original vintage piece. A service dial is a service dial, rarety doesnt matter imo...at least not to the level it matters on a non service dial. If you look at the Omega Seamaster "watchco" service build watches as a reference, they sell for roughly 1/3 a true vintage example.

[The Argonaut]

Originally Posted by cajuntiger

Personally I wouldn't pay near that. An original vintage piece commands high dollars because its an original vintage piece. A service dial is a service dial, rarety doesnt matter imo...at least not to the level it matters on a non service dial. If you look at the Omega Seamaster "watchco" service build watches as a reference, they sell for roughly 1/3 a true vintage example.

Interesting point. What do you think? Say, $12k?

[Mansell92]

Originally Posted by cajuntiger

Personally I wouldn't pay near that. An original vintage piece commands high dollars because its an original vintage piece. A service dial is a service dial, rarety doesnt matter imo...at least not to the level it matters on a non service dial. If you look at the Omega Seamaster "watchco" service build watches as a reference, they sell for roughly 1/3 a true vintage example.

Do you have link?

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by The Argonaut

Interesting point. What do you think? Say, $12k?

I wouldn't pay $12k...but it only takes one buyer.

Look at it this way. One of the primary drivers of vintage prices is supply and demand. One the demand side, its my opinion that the demand would be extremely low relative to a true vintage example. If I had a $12k budget, I wouldn't buy a service watch...Id spend it on a nice original GMT or Sub instead. And in my circle of friends who own vintage watches I would guess that 100% of them feel exactly the same way.

the only way to determine the value is to put it on the market. Its only worth what someone is willing too pay...and for $12k there are many options.

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

Do you have link?

A link for what?

[Mansell92]

A link for a Omega Seamaster "watchco" service build? I'd like to see some examples of what you are saying?

[Mansell92]

Originally Posted by cajuntiger

I wouldn't pay $12k...but it only takes one buyer.

Look at it this way. One of the primary drivers of vintage prices is supply and demand. One the demand side, its my opinion that the demand would be extremely low relative to a true vintage example. If I had a $12k budget, I wouldn't buy a service watch...Id spend it on a nice original GMT or Sub instead. And in my circle of friends who own vintage watches I would guess that 100% of them feel exactly the same way.

the only way to determine the value is to put it on the market. Its only worth what someone is willing too pay...and for $12k there are many options.

I think 15k is still the magic number here.

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

I think 15k is still the magic number here.

yea...wishful thinking imo.
Would you honestly pay $15,000?
You can buy some pretty special pieces for $15k

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

A link for a Omega Seamaster "watchco" service build? I'd like to see some examples of what you are saying?

Google is your friend.

[Mansell92]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ome....m43663.l44720

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Seama....m43663.l44720

Vintage vs WatchCo build only $1200USD apart. So hardly 1/3 the value.

[cajuntiger]

service parts vs true vintage
the vintage example sold for over 3x the watchco example

The service parts Seamaster is like new

[cajuntiger]

Originally Posted by Mansell92

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ome....m43663.l44720

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Seama....m43663.l44720

Vintage vs WatchCo build only $1200USD apart. So hardly 1/3 the value.

Im going to assume you dont buy vintage watches. I can find plenty of vintage Seamasters that sold for less...whats the point? Lets compare similar examples. A crappy looking 1680 with damaged bezel wont command 30k either.

I think we have just shit all over the OP's thread...so I'm moving on. I am a vintage watch collector/buyer, these are my opinions based on what I have seen collecting vintage watches for over 30 years. You obviously have a different opinion...If you would actually pay $15,000, then the watch is worth that amount. Until that happens its nothing more than speculation.

[The Argonaut]

Interesting. So you think $8-10k for a service Red 1680? I agree with you as regards the watch only being worth what someone will pay. However, I can’t help but think that because Red dials are special, even if service, a 1680 would sell for somewhere between $10-12k.

What do you think? I see HQ Milton and Craft and Tailored have both sold one, but I couldn’t see any price.


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[cajuntiger]

@emersm your watch is beautiful! Congrats!

[tekno]

I think it is worth what was invested, and it is awesome looking.



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