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23 July 2024, 10:59 PM | #151 |
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I took my brother in-law shopping for his first real watch. I wanted to make sure he got to see the most and try them all on while in Las Vegas and southern Texas.
He ended up getting a snowy valley GS. He liked the effort made to make it look different, the lume dial and the way the watch wore. GS and even the turtle Seiko have that weird bevel on the backside that allow them to sit lower than a thicker watch should. He was offer a date just that day but he didn’t feel like it was that special. The Omega GMT was another one he spent a little time looking at and I wasn’t sure if he would go that way or not but I think it was probably too traditional like the date just. He even wore a BLRO for 10 minutes and just didn’t seem stare at it like I do when I try one on. The Tudor is another one to look at but I don’t like the coin bezel and they are thicker than I’d like so I’m sticking with the “wait list”. |
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Oh man, if losing value on secondary is the metric my Vacherons are the worst watches ever made. I could buy any colorway Daytona from DavidSW with the loss on a single rose gold VC.
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You can spend billions of $$ on marketing but if your product is garbage you're still going to fail. |
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I was responding to the person who commented that Rolex is only dominant due to its marketing, but you highjacked it. Go polish your zaratsu or something Correction - Oh that person, was you hahaha! - You said that Rolex is only dominant due to its marketing, which is a totally dumb statement and not true. it's about balance, you have to have a great product to back it up. If grand seiko had the marketing budget that Rolex does, I still don't think they would have the appeal that Rolex does today. People just don't resonate with it. It's a niche brand, and always will be. |
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If your product is garbage you're unlikely to have billions of $$ to spend on marketing, millions or hundreds of thousands yes but billions no. I get your drift though, the product has to stand up to scrutiny at some point.
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I have nothing against Grand Seiko, I respect the brand just as I respect the Seikos already in my watch box, they just don’t make anything I want to wear and they are not objectively “better.” |
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Hans W established the brand based on marketing. They made many dubious and sometimes outright untrue claims, such as the world's first self-winding watch as an example. That had to be retracted. They also claimed Rolex was the first watch at the top of Everest, also untrue apparently, that was Smiths. The Explorer didn't exist in 1953, but today it's the Everest watch. The Submariner wasn't the first dive watch, and was rejected by the US Navy on quality grounds. Throughout the 50s and 60s, the high quality brand was Omega, and Rolex was the cheapie. That's been turned on its head by marketing. Anyway, clearly I have upset some very thin-skinned Rolex fans by daring to suggest that the Japanese can do things better, so I'll leave it there. |
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The great part about the “lists” is that getting the opportunity to buy a Rolex from an AD at list price is in itself an achievement… so no need for any other achievement to justify pulling the trigger :)
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24 July 2024, 12:18 AM | #169 | |
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How they do this and how they show this are what makes the brands different, and that's what I like this hobby.
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Rolex is a marketing genius. There is no denying it. If you took any Rolex model, and put a different name on the dial, it would be just another nice watch. The market for stainless sport models in many cases ,is driven by profit, not the desire to wear that particular watch. How else would so many new unworn models be available on the gray market? I'm not complaining, it's a free market, individuals are not forced to pay 2X MSRP for some models.
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Hopefully the slowing of the grey market diminishes the wait at an AD! If people can’t flip them and the AD’s can’t sell them out the back door (allegedly) then it will be more about obtaining a luxury watch because you want it and not because you know it’s worth thousands more than what you paid (like the good old days).
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Because you cannot run a company for 100years plus at the top of its game purely on marketing. If you think that is the case you're a fool. You have to have products to back up the claims, otherwise the marketing is meaningless and you get caught out eventually. This is not just relating to Rolex, this is every brand to have ever existed. This isn't me giving an opinion on Rolex, it's fact, it's how things work. Rolex is not just dominant as a result of its marketing, end of chat.
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For instance, some examples: it is a fact that Rolex are made by machine and GS are hand-finished. GS also offer more movement options. GS have higher-quality finishing. |
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Watch this review of Rolex vs grand seiko vs A Lange and Sohn, all under magnification, and the Rolex comes last. Rolex also gets skewered in the comments because of the findings in the video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKrJOM...9hcmlvbg%3D%3D
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