New FOIS released

[logo]

Originally Posted by logo

If I were Omega, I’d have chosen the FOIS in Sedna gold and tropical brown dial, aged lume on leather with a 321, and for the steel would have had white lume and the modern omega logo to better align with the existing 3861 line. Give people the option of case shape, and the choice of modern or vintage inspired, with vintage styling like logos, dials, lume “age” being limited to 321 movement speedmasters (currently the new FOIS is the only piece that doesn’t conform to that).

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Hey Brian - yep, I had a few expenses that needed to be prioritised. At the end of the day they are luxuries that we are lucky to be able to buy. But when I saw this, it was an opportunity to plug the gap a bit.

Hi Steve, have you still got your Snoopy 3?

[Stevec14]

Originally Posted by ratty

Hi Steve, have you still got your Snoopy 3?

Nope- moved that on long ago as the bloody thing was unreadable when the hands went over the sub dials. So this is my only speedy currently.


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[ratty]

Originally Posted by logo

Looks really nice. One does have to wonder a bit what the long term 321 strategy is for Omega given this new FOIS release is so similar.

I would still like to see a 321 in a professional case, the same as the model which Buzz was wearing on the moon.

I’m guessing that there would only be a very limited market for it, possibly similar to that for the current stainless 321, but I would be interested if one was made. I’m sure that this would ‘just’ involve re casing the current 321 into the Snoopy 3 case so shouldn’t be too difficult or costly, but I doubt Omega will ever do this.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Nope- moved that on long ago as the bloody thing was unreadable when the hands went over the sub dials. So this is my only speedy currently.


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Ahh, OK.

I hope you get on with this new one better.

[ap1]

Originally Posted by ratty

I would still like to see a 321 in a professional case, the same as the model which Buzz was wearing on the moon.

I’m guessing that there would only be a very limited market for it, possibly similar to that for the current stainless 321, but I would be interested if one was made. I’m sure that this would ‘just’ involve re casing the current 321 into the Snoopy 3 case so shouldn’t be too difficult or costly, but I doubt Omega will ever do this.

You could always get the platinum 321……

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by ratty

I would still like to see a 321 in a professional case, the same as the model which Buzz was wearing on the moon.

I’m guessing that there would only be a very limited market for it, possibly similar to that for the current stainless 321, but I would be interested if one was made. I’m sure that this would ‘just’ involve re casing the current 321 into the Snoopy 3 case so shouldn’t be too difficult or costly, but I doubt Omega will ever do this.

You never know. Maybe they’ll might discontinue the EW and bring the professional case 321 on a significant anniversary.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You never know. Maybe they’ll might discontinue the EW and bring the professional case 321 on a significant anniversary.

That’s a possibility, but I doubt that there would be much of a market for such a model. After all, the only visible differences between it and a current moonwatch would be a different bracelet.

[Stevec14]

Originally Posted by ratty

That’s a possibility, but I doubt that there would be much of a market for such a model. After all, the only visible differences between it and a current moonwatch would be a different bracelet.

I think there would be as much of a market as there is for the E/W - in fact maybe more as the professional case is usually more popular than the straight lugged ones.

I think it’s a natural next step for a steel 321 in the pro case


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[DoricSpiker]

This photo catches the blue dial.


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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by nachopc

Judge yourself


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So looks like faux patina, just a lighter color. I'm not the one saying I don't like faux patina (I could take it or leave it)... your comment on your dislike was interesting is all since you like the EW.

[logo]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

So looks like faux patina, just a lighter color. I'm not the one saying I don't like faux patina (I could take it or leave it)... your comment on your dislike was interesting is all since you like the EW.

EW is not actually fauxtina - the original 105.003 from factory already had lume markers that were more yellow, which the modern EW has recreated.

[L_S_SHOE]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

So looks like faux patina, just a lighter color. I'm not the one saying I don't like faux patina (I could take it or leave it)... your comment on your dislike was interesting is all since you like the EW.

The Ed White lume is more off white, which is isn’t far off the original. The new FOIS lume is practically brown. I still love the watch, but mostly the dial.


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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by logo

EW is not actually fauxtina - the original 105.003 from factory already had lume markers that were more yellow, which the modern EW has recreated.

You said it "recreated." Whatever you want to call it, tinted lume, fauxtina... it's as aesthetic made to look like an older original that used Tritium. I'm not knocking it. Just pointing out that one can say they don't like faux patina, giving examples even, but with exceptions. It's a logical fallacy.

The same way the new FOIS is made to look like an older example with tinted lume, it's just much darker and one could argue works better with the sunburst blue/gray dial. I get that it's not for everyone.

Why can't we just enjoy these for what they are instead of bashing the aesthetic. And that includes the BB58 (as a given example), or the JLC Geophysic, or the Hamilton Khaki, or yes, even the Ed White. Everybody has their preference and it's all just watches and a choice. I think the Ed White is fantastic, but the straight lug case doesn't work for me. But I appreciate it for what it is, the same for the FOIS.

[GolfJunkie]

Originally Posted by DoricSpiker

This photo catches the blue dial.


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Beautiful watch

This one is quickly growing on me. Haven't seen much talk of the thickness. It appears to be similar to a sub.

Can you post some pics looking down the wrist to show the height? I assume, like most Speedys, that the majority of the thickness is above the mid case.

[Stevec14]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

Beautiful watch

This one is quickly growing on me. Haven't seen much talk of the thickness. It appears to be similar to a sub.

Can you post some pics looking down the wrist to show the height? I assume, like most Speedys, that the majority of the thickness is above the mid case.

Here you go - maybe these help. For the record it’s 13.4mm






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[alphadweller]

I don't like fauxtina but could make an exception here, might not be as much of a deal breaker I thought it'd be. I like this FOIS in pictures, very curious to see it IRL at the OB.

[DoricSpiker]

Originally Posted by GolfJunkie

Beautiful watch

This one is quickly growing on me. Haven't seen much talk of the thickness. It appears to be similar to a sub.

Can you post some pics looking down the wrist to show the height? I assume, like most Speedys, that the majority of the thickness is above the mid case.

Another one for good measure. It’s not thick. The domed crystal has height to it though.


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[DoricSpiker]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

I don't like fauxtina but could make an exception here, might not be as much of a deal breaker I thought it'd be. I like this FOIS in pictures, very curious to see it IRL at the OB.

The difference for me is the burnt orange actually looks nice against the blue dial. It’s not a watch that has faux ageing that then makes it look crap.
I think the watch looks more vintage on the strap. On the bracelet it will look like a modern watch to 99% of the population.
I would encourage everyone with a faux whatever complex to just try the watch out.


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[GolfJunkie]

Can't wait to see this one IRL.

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Here you go - maybe these help. For the record it’s 13.4mm
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Originally Posted by DoricSpiker

Another one for good measure. It’s not thick. The domed crystal has height to it though.
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[DtownRRS]

It is definitely one I am considering. What are people hearing from the OB's on availibility? Sounds like they did a good job getting the first round of them out.

[gamingdoctor]

There's literally a 0 percent chance Omega doesn't release the 321 movement in the steel professional case.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by logo

EW is not actually fauxtina - the original 105.003 from factory already had lume markers that were more yellow, which the modern EW has recreated.

Originally Posted by gnuyork

You said it "recreated." Whatever you want to call it, tinted lume, fauxtina... it's as aesthetic made to look like an older original that used Tritium. I'm not knocking it. Just pointing out that one can say they don't like faux patina, giving examples even, but with exceptions. It's a logical fallacy.

The same way the new FOIS is made to look like an older example with tinted lume, it's just much darker and one could argue works better with the sunburst blue/gray dial. I get that it's not for everyone.

Why can't we just enjoy these for what they are instead of bashing the aesthetic. And that includes the BB58 (as a given example), or the JLC Geophysic, or the Hamilton Khaki, or yes, even the Ed White. Everybody has their preference and it's all just watches and a choice. I think the Ed White is fantastic, but the straight lug case doesn't work for me. But I appreciate it for what it is, the same for the FOIS.

You’re missing @logos point.

The lume on the original 105.003 was the same greenish/brown color of lume from brand new.

The new 2020 EW is an exact match to the 105.033.

They didn’t try to make the lume looked aged aka fauxtina

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

You said it "recreated." Whatever you want to call it, tinted lume, fauxtina... it's as aesthetic made to look like an older original that used Tritium. I'm not knocking it. Just pointing out that one can say they don't like faux patina, giving examples even, but with exceptions. It's a logical fallacy.

The white lume on modern watches is also tinted with aesthetic intent. Both Super-LumiNova and Chromalight are derived from strontium aluminate, which is a yellowish-green or off-white powder before it is charged. This powder is mixed with different elements and binding agents to create the final luminescent material used in watches. Any lume color other than the natural yellowish tint is tinted for aesthetic purposes.

The diagram below is from LumiNova, which shows all the colors of lume they offer and their relative brightness. EW could be C3, natural, or C3 dense?

I could be mistaken, but I don't think Omega used lume on the EW to give it a vintage look. Instead, they restored it to the same specifications it had when it was brand new. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[L_S_SHOE]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

The white lume on modern watches is also tinted with aesthetic intent. Both Super-LumiNova and Chromalight are derived from strontium aluminate, which is a yellowish-green or off-white powder before it is charged. This powder is mixed with different elements and binding agents to create the final luminescent material used in watches. Any lume color other than the natural yellowish tint is tinted for aesthetic purposes.

The diagram below is from LumiNova, which shows all the colors of lume they offer and their relative brightness. EW could be C3, natural, or C3 dense?

I could be mistaken, but I don't think Omega used lume on the EW to give it a vintage look. Instead, they restored it to the same specifications it had when it was brand new. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Great info.


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[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Any drop in EW demand due to the FOIS would be mopped up by those who’d be happy for a top end steel 321 in the professional case.


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That would be me

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by brandrea

You’re missing @logos point.

The lume on the original 105.003 was the same greenish/brown color of lume from brand new.

The new 2020 EW is an exact match to the 105.033.

They didn’t try to make the lume looked aged aka fauxtina

Am I though? The new lume is Luminova, is it not tinted to look like tritium of the 105.003? However light that tint is, it's a facsimile of the original, it's not Tritium. It's really no different than other watches that tint luminova to look various degrees of aged. Same concept. That's my take anyway. My whole point was another member stated he liked his watches to age naturally and disliked faux patina and citing other watches that did so along with the new FOIS, but mentioning the EW is a "completely different story." I was just wondering why, since it doesn't age naturally and never will. Further leading me to conclude that the EW really is no different than other various shades of tinted lume for the effect of "permanent" aging, however lightly that may be. I happen to like it very much btw, but I've only seen photos. I've never seen one in the metal. I have tried on the older FOIS and to me it wore larger than the Moonwatch (or at least I perceived it that way), and the Moonwatch is my limit for largeness. So unfortunately the EW nor the new FOIS will work for my wrist.

[logo]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Am I though? The new lume is Luminova, is it not tinted to look like tritium of the 105.003? However light that tint is, it's a facsimile of the original, it's not Tritium. It's really no different than other watches that tint luminova to look various degrees of aged. Same concept. That's my take anyway. My whole point was another member stated he liked his watches to age naturally and disliked faux patina and citing other watches that did so along with the new FOIS, but mentioning the EW is a "completely different story." I was just wondering why, since it doesn't age naturally and never will. Further leading me to conclude that the EW really is no different than other various shades of tinted lume for the effect of "permanent" aging, however lightly that may be. I happen to like it very much btw, but I've only seen photos. I've never seen one in the metal. I have tried on the older FOIS and to me it wore larger than the Moonwatch (or at least I perceived it that way), and the Moonwatch is my limit for largeness. So unfortunately the EW nor the new FOIS will work for my wrist.

You are incorrectly equating something from a long time ago and something aged as the same thing. A child born in 1930 is an aged man today (patina). Reproduce a clone baby using their DNA and it’ll look like the baby from 90 years ago, not the old man.

A recreation of how a watch looked in 1964 is not (faux)patina. It’s just how it was. A recreation of how that watch aged over 60 years is fauxtina (ie fender relic custom shop guitars, and this new FOIS). For what it’s worth I like fauxtina, but the Ed White doesn’t have it.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by logo

You are incorrectly equating something from a long time ago and something aged as the same thing. A child born in 1930 is an aged man today (patina). Reproduce a clone baby using their DNA and it’ll look like the baby from 90 years ago, not the old man.

A recreation of how a watch looked in 1964 is not (faux)patina. It’s just how it was. A recreation of how that watch aged over 60 years is fauxtina (ie fender relic custom shop guitars, and this new FOIS). For what it’s worth I like fauxtina, but the Ed White doesn’t have it.

Here’s another analogy: Imagine an old photograph from 1960 that naturally had a yellow tint. Over the years, it has faded and yellowed even more. If you found the original negative and developed it today, the new print would keep that original yellow tint and look just as vibrant as it did back then, without any of the extra aging the old photo has gone through. It wouldn't be accurate to say the yellow tint is artificially aged. It’s just a reflection of the photograph’s original character.

[BLNR Nairobi]

Originally Posted by logo

You are incorrectly equating something from a long time ago and something aged as the same thing. A child born in 1930 is an aged man today (patina). Reproduce a clone baby using their DNA and it’ll look like the baby from 90 years ago, not the old man.

A recreation of how a watch looked in 1964 is not (faux)patina. It’s just how it was. A recreation of how that watch aged over 60 years is fauxtina (ie fender relic custom shop guitars, and this new FOIS). For what it’s worth I like fauxtina, but the Ed White doesn’t have it.

Beautiful explanation.