Where is the IWC Genta Ingenieur?

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

great research

i have the aquatimer that has this movement, pretty solid. workhorse movement. if you want a pretty movement, go for AP/PP

rolex movements ain't great looking either because its main functionality is accuracy and its ability to work for many years without any intervention.

[Inseconds99]

The most expensive and usually the most highly regarded/coveted 3 hand AP RO’s use a JLC movement, any complaint there?

[Emery]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

The most expensive and usually the most highly regarded/coveted 3 hand AP RO’s use a JLC movement, any complaint there?

The Jumbo is now in-house.

It also only has 2 hands

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by Emery

The Jumbo is now in-house.

It also only has 2 hands

Haha true, def only a 2 handed. Also, my point was, JLC was and is still more coveted, which is the opposite of an in house movement.

[EEpro]

JLC is a bad ass watch, clock, and movement company. Having that under the hood is preferable to an unproven movement in my mind.

I remember how it felt to have my $14,700 datejust losing 15 seconds a day while my 2006 ETA Omega 300m was keeping +0.1 more than 10 years after it's last service.

I like that AP went to a finished Vaucher in their 37mm. Perhaps bucking the trend.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

JLC is a bad ass watch, clock, and movement company. Having that under the hood is preferable to an unproven movement in my mind.

I remember how it felt to have my $14,700 datejust losing 15 seconds a day while my 2006 ETA Omega 300m was keeping +0.1 more than 10 years after it's last service.

Exactly, everyone complaining about this rock solid ETA movement that’s now been refined multiple times by IWC. While also offering a 5 day power reserve.

It’s not like they took the movement off the shelf, did nothing, slapped it into a basic case and charged 11k.

[Inseconds99]

Another piece of information that I just learned and confirmed…

The Aqua dial has polished center links, all others are brushed.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Another piece of information that I just learned and confirmed…

The Aqua dial has polished center links, all others are brushed.

Not to sound like a jerk, but all the pictures of the watches already show this.

I'll show myself out now for being a jerk.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Not to sound like a jerk, but all the pictures of the watches already show this.

I'll show myself out now for being a jerk.

You’re right, it was starting me right in the face but I never noticed it lol. I know others haven’t as well either, just bringing it to light is all.

[adrian2017]

Hi!
I heard that the earliest delivery will be by end of May. (Not for Ti)

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by adrian2017

Hi!
I heard that the earliest delivery will be by end of May. (Not for Ti)

Outstanding news! Thanks

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by texasmade

Not to sound like a jerk, but all the pictures of the watches already show this.

I'll show myself out now for being a jerk.

... the PCLs on the aqua getting ridden like the village bicycle were already scratched up in the WW vids

[djtheot]

Thank you for posting this, I have been reading with amusement the contagion that is the 'ITS TOO EXPENSIVE' brigade without really understanding any of this. I think its at the upper end of what I thought it would land and without having the watch in hand and taking the the time to step back and understand it it is easy to throw out the accusation IWC are being greedy. I think they have done a great job, I have high horology steel pieces with movements that only have 60hours power reserve, no hacking seconds etc that are multiples of this IWC. Its competitive with Alpine Eagle and similar whilst getting you a genuine piece of Genta magic. I think this one will grow in popularity once the sticker price shock wears off. IWC should control supply tightly and allow this one to simmer. Flood the market and I agree with others that you might see secondary prices hurt the brand equity.

Originally Posted by EEpro

Price is $11,700

RE comments about the movement. I dug into this myself since I'm a movement snob and at least need to know what's under the hood.

Caliber 32111 is a slim movement allowing the watch to come in at 10.7 mm. It has some cote de Geneve on the bridges and perlage on the base plate (as well as on the interior of the folding clasp). It's the most tool watch workhorse of the siblings for sure and is priced like it.



The central idea of the Ingenieur was anti-magnetism. According to the designer from the outset the idea of a glass caseback was verboten as was any removable bracelet system or adjustable clasp. The watch is defined by the bracelet integration and there are plenty of strap options for other watches at IWC already (according to Christian).

The dial is stamped iron that gets galvanized treatment for color and anti tarnish. So it should have a very striking metallic effect in real life. The hands and index markers are rhodium plated. Date change at midnight is quick. Double digit leading zero display for single digit dates (01, 02,...) as engineers would prefer it.

The case features alternating brushed and polished surfaces as well as an expanding polished bevel running down the side of the case and bracelet. The bracelet in either configuration features a polished bevel also on the center links.

I think these touches are where some of the cost is coming from. The more operations you require on a CNC the more human interaction is required to reposition and labor costs will go up and quantity you can make per day will go down.

With 100m and a screw down crown the watch can actually go swimming unlike it's rich friends.

For me it will make a perfect weekend watch with 5 day power reserve that I can set down Sunday night and pick it up Friday afternoon. We will see how far it goes in displacing my sub for this duty.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by the dark knight

Sorry, this is a huge letdown. For the life of me I have no idea why they didn't include a quick change strap system and clasp microadjust. The engineering prowess is there, as IWC has the best implementation of both of these things that I've seen on any watch I've owned.

Essentially same innards as the Mark XX, but the Mark XX has those two things I mentioned at almost half the price. So you better really put a premium on that Genta design to justify the cost.

I was hoping this would come with a strap quick change and include 2 additional straps like the VCO. That and some kind of microadjust system may have made the price more palatable for me. As it is now, no way.

x1,000,000

[ts3]

I still think this is a reasonably good effort. At 40mm x 10.7mm the watch should wear well and I don't mind the lack of a display back or the movement. Also, I couldn't care less about the absence of strap options as most sports watches look much worse on a strap in my eyes (with the VC Overseas just one example). On the cons side I could do w/o those crown guards. Overall, the design is a little more aggressive than I'd have liked which makes the watch more sporty but also less elegant than some of the higher-end "competition".

In terms of pricing they are obviously trying to capitalize on the recent Genta hype. Better late than never from their perspective I guess. But I cannot remember the earlier Genta inspired Ingenieurs from the 2000s and 2010s being priced 2x as high as the corresponding Mark series on bracelet.

[trackingtime]

https://youtu.be/8y8RBOew61E

great interview by wei koh

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Haha true, def only a 2 handed. Also, my point was, JLC was and is still more coveted, which is the opposite of an in house movement.

lol the new caliber 5900 is a vaucher based movement. what a joke and they are charging 2 times the rrp of a iwc

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by djtheot

Thank you for posting this, I have been reading with amusement the contagion that is the 'ITS TOO EXPENSIVE' brigade without really understanding any of this. I think its at the upper end of what I thought it would land and without having the watch in hand and taking the the time to step back and understand it it is easy to throw out the accusation IWC are being greedy. I think they have done a great job, I have high horology steel pieces with movements that only have 60hours power reserve, no hacking seconds etc that are multiples of this IWC. Its competitive with Alpine Eagle and similar whilst getting you a genuine piece of Genta magic. I think this one will grow in popularity once the sticker price shock wears off. IWC should control supply tightly and allow this one to simmer. Flood the market and I agree with others that you might see secondary prices hurt the brand equity.

as far as i heard, these are mostly allocation pieces to current clients first.
don't think they are going to mass produce this, especially with such a dial, although stamped, still needs a good amount of work.

[EEpro]

Pic of the day

They even got the double batons straight which seems to be hard for AP.

[trackingtime]

Originally Posted by EEpro

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Pic of the day

They even got the double batons straight which seems to be hard for AP.

very nice and they color matched the date wheel

[EEpro]

A micro adjust clasp is available. CEO Christoph has confirmed it. 5 mm adjustability clasp.

Available later this year at boutique if desired.

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

A micro adjust clasp is available. CEO Christoph has confirmed it. 5 mm adjustability clasp.

Available later this year at boutique if desired.

Do you have a link to that?

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Inseconds99

Do you have a link to that?

https://youtu.be/YFxFrFLFmf0

Christoph makes a good joke about an episode about the crown guards at the end

[Inseconds99]

Originally Posted by EEpro

https://youtu.be/YFxFrFLFmf0

That is awesome!!

[JCZ5]

Great option, but imo ruins the look of the bracelet with that flat clasp. That is probably why the AP bracelets do not come with adjustments.


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by JCZ5

Great option, but imo ruins the look of the bracelet with that flat clasp. That is probably why the AP bracelets do not come with adjustments.


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VC has the hidden / integrated solution but apparently IWC not allowed to use it

I would stick to flat butterfly also

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by EEpro

VC has the hidden / integrated solution but apparently IWC not allowed to use it

I would stick to flat butterfly also

Ohhhh interesting!


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[gordon86]

I love the new Ingenieur release and thought it was very well done especially the wearability.

However building on the comments by 2 other previous posts, I am also in the camp that the pricing doesnt make sense. On one hand, you have also a beautifully done Mark XX with the same movement in steel bracelet priced at 6150; on the other hand you have the Ingenieur priced at 11,700 almost double the price. I doubt the improvement in power reserve and better finishing justify almost double the price. It feels even more overpriced if you compare to the full bracelet pilot chronograph which is priced at 8500.

I think we sort of have to admit that there is a Gerald Genta/hype premium that is priced into this, which is fine and understandable from a marketing point of view. But to say otherwise I think is to try close an eye just because its such an iconic watch that everyone is waiting for.

[ILoveFerrari]

Originally Posted by gordon86

I love the new Ingenieur release and thought it was very well done especially the wearability.

However building on the comments by 2 other previous posts, I am also in the camp that the pricing doesnt make sense. On one hand, you have also a beautifully done Mark XX with the same movement in steel bracelet priced at 6150; on the other hand you have the Ingenieur priced at 11,700 almost double the price. I doubt the improvement in power reserve and better finishing justify almost double the price. It feels even more overpriced if you compare to the full bracelet pilot chronograph which is priced at 8500.

I think we sort of have to admit that there is a Gerald Genta/hype premium that is priced into this, which is fine and understandable from a marketing point of view. But to say otherwise I think is to try close an eye just because its such an iconic watch that everyone is waiting for.

+100

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[fatcows7]

Anyone knows how long the "wait list" is? or is this only for pre-existing clients?