Got my booster today

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by Syed117

As far as I'm concerned, anyone not willing to get the vaccine at this point (outside of a medical reason) and needs covid treatment should be denied. We've seen enough scenarios playing out where people who need ICU beds aren't getting them because of anti vax covid patients.

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Have to agree ,when the decision needs to be made,the vaccinated gets the benefit .

I agree.

[Bro Watch]

Originally Posted by austinp

Well we have officially reached crazy town. It was a good run. But they always end up here.


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Yeah you're right, I thought this forum was supposed to be about rolex watchs not people bragging about how many shots they have received. Pretty crazy!

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[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Syed117

.... As far as I'm concerned, anyone not willing to get the vaccine at this point (outside of a medical reason) and needs covid treatment should be denied. We've seen enough scenarios playing out where people who need ICU beds aren't getting them because of anti vax covid patients.

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

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[daveathall]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

I don't think it was a denial of treatment, I think it was if there is only one bed available, then the person that had taken the vaccine should get it in preference to the person who wouldn't take it.

[BillA]

Originally Posted by SkodaRS-SD43

Yes you definitely don’t want shingles.. had a case earlier this year, very itchy & annoying. Took 2 months to resolve, yuck.. had no idea you can have a vax for it


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It’s called Shingrix.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

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Scenario : You have two patients ,one vent .One is vaccinated,one not .All being equal ,who do you give the vent to ?

[Ferdelious]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

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Agreed. Majority of people being treated in healthcare are because of the life choices they made. Maybe they should pay more but they should not be denied care.

[austinp]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Scenario : You have two patients ,one vent .One is vaccinated,one not .All being equal ,who do you give the vent to ?

Whoever has the better insurance of course


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[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Ferdelious

Agreed. Majority of people being treated in healthcare are because of the life choices they made. Maybe they should pay more but they should not be denied care.

Majority is actually there because of genes ,but they cant choose their parents .. Cancer,Diabetes,cardiac disease etc etc.

Choose your parents well .

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by austinp

Whoever has the better insurance of course


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I dont know any colleague that will base a medical decision on that .

[austinp]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

I dont know any colleague that will base a medical decision on that .

Right. I’m sure that never happens.


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[rlj676]

Originally Posted by daveathall

The death figures given to VAERS were for people who had died after having a vaccine. The death figures I was referring to on my last post were for covid, it's completely different. Can't you see that?

I gave you the figures from VAERS, the one where you said there were hundreds of thousands of deaths from the vaccines. I used the very agency you were referencing. I just fact checked you and you were wrong.

As for dodging your points, I never, as soon as it became obvious you were making things up, I stopped looking. Like someone else said, most of your facts fall flat when fact checked.

I come from England so Fox or CNN are something I dont watch.

I did say before that we wont meet in the middle. We wont.

Where did I say hundreds of thousands dying from vaccine? Creating a strawman argument isn’t debunking anything. I’ve not “made up” anything. I’ve provided some data and some opinion/what if’s. There are risks to the vaccine, more so than anyone covers in media is my point. All for something that provides no risk to me (I’ve recovered) and people want to force it. Now folks in this thread say you should die if not vaccinated. Such compassion.

You seem to not even understand the question on increased deaths this year. In the US, ‘21 had more Covid deaths despite a vaccine. I’m asking why?

[Ferdelious]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Majority is actually there because of genes ,but they cant choose their parents .. Cancer,Diabetes,cardiac disease etc etc.

Choose your parents well .

Could you not argue that life choices cause those diseases as well? Smoking, diet, lack of exercise, etc etc.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

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Exactly.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Scenario : You have two patients ,one vent .One is vaccinated,one not .All being equal ,who do you give the vent to ?

Who showed up and needed it first?

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by rlj676

Where did I say hundreds of thousands dying from vaccine? Creating a strawman argument isn’t debunking anything. I’ve not “made up” anything. I’ve provided some data and some opinion/what if’s. There are risks to the vaccine, more so than anyone covers in media is my point. All for something that provides no risk to me (I’ve recovered) and people want to force it. Now folks in this thread say you should die if not vaccinated. Such compassion.

You seem to not even understand the question on increased deaths this year. In the US, ‘21 had more Covid deaths despite a vaccine. I’m asking why?

Probably because they never got the vaccine.

What difference does more or less covid deaths have to do with anything?

How many more covid deaths would there have been without the vaccine? Your argument makes no sense.

You have made up lots and provided no proof. Anyway, I'm done with you. I wont answer your ramblings again.

[Thug]

Originally Posted by rlj676

You seem to not even understand the question on increased deaths this year. In the US, ‘21 had more Covid deaths despite a vaccine. I’m asking why?

What’s the split of vaccinated deaths versus unvaccinated?

[904VT]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

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I agree the concept of denial is incredibly ridiculous. That is an example of a vax cultist philosophy that has been actively pushed by talking heads in the media, and is just as dangerous as any so called anti-vax ideas. I accuse you of doing what I do type idea at its finest...but ignore when I do it hypocritical concept. Rules for thee not for me.

Hoping those that mentioned meant if all beds are full. But that is still a stretch and not a mass trauma situation (such as what happens to soldiers). And no long-term data supporting the justification of that at all.

Originally Posted by Ferdelious

Could you not argue that life choices cause those diseases as well? Smoking, diet, lack of exercise, etc etc.

Exactly. Same can be said with HPV vaccines. If you have not had your HPV vaccine, and later develop a HPV caused cancer should you then be refused the cancer treatment?

Obviously the answer is no. This whole philosophy of punishing those that don't agree with you, I just will never get. Comes from the top like children imitating their parents and ultimately drives division as a result. Probably more division caused by this than any language against treatments ever could.

Originally Posted by pickettt

Who showed up and needed it first?

Exactly. Anything different is a failure of Hippocratic Oath in spirit if not by letter whether a doc wants to admit to it or not. The only time you choose one with a higher probability to survive over another is a discrete mass trauma situation.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Bro Watch

Yeah you're right, I thought this forum was supposed to be about rolex watchs not people bragging about how many shots they have received. Pretty crazy!

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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by superdog

See what you did Seth

[superdog]

Originally Posted by zengineer

I don't want to live in a country/world where we ever do that. We are better than that.

Yes, I am vaxxed and boosted but seriously, what's next?...no heart surgery for the obese?

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While I do think all people should be provided with medical care, I do have an issue with people that take zero care of themselves and expect medical care.

now, obesity can very well not be avoidable.

however, someone that smokes? should they be provided lungs for a transplant?

this is a whole new topic I suppose...

but I personally dont appreciate those that lament their bad health but depend on the health care system to keep the alive.

I suppose the shot is similar. if you have the ability to reduce your chance of getting sick, but you dont take it...are you at fault?

I personally would hate to be the guy in a bed on a ventillator wishing I took the vaccine. but that is just my take.

and folks, we can all chat without arguing. it is possible.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by brandrea

See what you did Seth

ha. sorry brother.

I really was just happy and wanted to share.

as many have noticed, I stopped starting threads here...mostly.

this is why...

[Lordofrolex]

I got my 3rd shot already as well

[rlj676]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Probably because they never got the vaccine.

What difference does more or less covid deaths have to do with anything?

How many more covid deaths would there have been without the vaccine? Your argument makes no sense.

You have made up lots and provided no proof. Anyway, I'm done with you. I wont answer your ramblings again.

Everything is debunked and you’re done congrats.

If you don’t see how the fact the vaccine hasn’t reduced total Covid deaths isn’t pertinent to its usefulness and effectiveness I’m glad to be done as well.

If the vaccine works than nobody should be concerned about those without it. Instead we get cult like devotion to ruining the lives of those without for whatever reason they choose not. A truly compelling item wouldn’t require coercion for use. A vaccine would actually prevent death and spread and I’d be interested. I haven’t met anyone with a “lessened case of polio” thankful for their vaccine…

I think it’s looking like it does work well for about 3-6 months. So for those who are high risk a quarterly booster is probably not a bad deal. For people with a 99.997+ % chance of survival I can’t see how this is acceptable given the unknown risk of both short term and long term side effects. Factor in it doesn’t even actually protect others and it’s amazing to me that the alleged 60%+ would take it again with hindsight. Seems like a devotion to something more than health.

[rlj676]

Originally Posted by superdog

ha. sorry brother.

I really was just happy and wanted to share.

as many have noticed, I stopped starting threads here...mostly.

this is why...

Sorry for being a derailer

But I think the direction of this has nothing to do with your post so there is no fault with you, it’s just a very interesting topic to discuss across a wide range of beliefs/backgrounds like this forum. Factor in the relative success it takes to have this hobby weeding out most of the “YouTube comments” type behavior and here we are…

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by superdog

ha. sorry brother.

I really was just happy and wanted to share.

as many have noticed, I stopped starting threads here...mostly.

this is why...

A dialogue has been opened and it’s been mostly civil. Nothing wrong with that.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by pickettt

A dialogue has been opened and it’s been mostly civil. Nothing wrong with that.

Can you believe it?

And no one got banned for a dissenting view.

[Schmed]

What if there are long-term health issues with the vaccine? Say a heart issue, for example? Would non-vaxxed heart patients get priority?

[rlj676]

Originally Posted by Thug

What’s the split of vaccinated deaths versus unvaccinated?

Not sure, but in any case wouldn’t it need to be normalized for risk factor?

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-...our-conditions

Weight, diabetes, high blood pressure and heart failure (amongst others) seems to be extremely relevant to deaths. So on a like for like basis where are we at in that split? Likewise, what was time from vaccination? Folks within 2 weeks to 3 months are probably the lowest contributor. However after 6 months I’ve seen evidence that the risk is actually worse. Then you have boosters etc coming in now. This is what makes these steadfast declarations it’s so effective quite hard to just believe as any data can tell a story how you would like.

Then factor in how wrong Fauci has been on basically everything, the lies about gain of function, etc and it just doesn’t add up to me.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by superdog

Can you believe it?

And no one got banned for a dissenting view.

The day is young