[Poll] 116500LN (White) or 126500LN (White)

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by 928ktgold

That video measures the thickness of a 126 that had case protection stickers on. They’re pretty thick so don’t take that measurement as accurate. Other sites have measured both models and found the new one thinner.
The new reference has and shorter end link to endlink measurement than the old one since the design angles then down to fit smaller wrists easier

It would be biased data to take measurements focusing only on areas thinner than the 116500.

Specifically

Data from the outside of the left lug to the outside of the right lug
Data from the outside of the upper lug to the outside of the lower lug

will not be found.

There are still all kinds of other data that should be considered if you want to compare figures.

[illiguy]

Love that, in the grand scheme of things, minute differences elicit some passionate responses from folks at TRF. True enthusiasts!

The 11 and 12 White are both great watches, and there is no “wrong” answer. As stated a couple of times, I personally prefer the 11 White, and so do another 49% of folks. I am also on the list for a 12 White from my AD.

I wonder how polling would look if we made this between the 11 and 12 Black. I’d venture a guess that the 12 Black would come out ahead by a larger margin versus the 11 Black when compared to this poll.

I know I would vote 12 Black, simply because on the Black dial I much prefer the contrast with the bezel ring. Should we do that poll - 12 Black versus 11 Black?

If interest, someone else spin it up.

[Redsub71]

Originally Posted by rolesor2022

What do you mean "replaced by dials" ?

Are you saying when the 12 gets a dial refresh, it'll be a masterpiece?

Sure! Look at LeMans, it's a masterpiece with that dial. Today, 12 is a draft copy of the original.

[928ktgold]

Originally Posted by watcheeze

It would be biased data to take measurements focusing only on areas thinner than the 116500.

Specifically

Data from the outside of the left lug to the outside of the right lug
Data from the outside of the upper lug to the outside of the lower lug

will not be found.

There are still all kinds of other data that should be considered if you want to compare figures.

I’m only talking about the 12mm thickness of the watch from the dial to the caseback

[rolesor2022]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Love that, in the grand scheme of things, minute differences elicit some passionate responses from folks at TRF. True enthusiasts!

The 11 and 12 White are both great watches, and there is no “wrong” answer. As stated a couple of times, I personally prefer the 11 White, and so do another 49% of folks. I am also on the list for a 12 White from my AD.

I wonder how polling would look if we made this between the 11 and 12 Black. I’d venture a guess that the 12 Black would come out ahead by a larger margin versus the 11 Black when compared to this poll.

I know I would vote 12 Black, simply because on the Black dial I much prefer the contrast with the bezel ring. Should we do that poll - 12 Black versus 11 Black?

If interest, someone else spin it up.

This is a great idea. I also would love to see those results. Please start the thread! I would be delighted to participate

[rolesor2022]

Originally Posted by Redsub71

Sure! Look at LeMans, it's a masterpiece with that dial. Today, 12 is a draft copy of the original.

Besides the LeMans, what other dial designs would be considered a masterpiece for the modern SS line? I wonder what the next generation would look like

[rolesor2022]

Originally Posted by Bazil

This side by side is so awesome

[Redsub71]

Originally Posted by rolesor2022

This side by side is so awesome

The same watch Enthusiasts would have preferred a novelty and not a copy. That's what you hear everywhere about the new Daytona.

[Reinhard in SA]

The only thing I don't like on the new model is the weirdly big crown guards.

That being said, I wouldn't kick either out of bed. Most of the time they get posted on the forum I can't even tell if it is an 11 or 12 at first glance.

[Neil McCauley]

Originally Posted by Redsub71

The same watch Enthusiasts would have preferred a novelty and not a copy. That's what you hear everywhere about the new Daytona.

More drivel, good grief.

Literally, the only person saying this about the new Daytona is you.

Everyone knows Rolex does slow evolution with small incremental changes.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Love that, in the grand scheme of things, minute differences elicit some passionate responses from folks at TRF. True enthusiasts!

In psychoanalysis, the narcissism of small differences is the idea that the more a relationship or community shares commonalities, the more likely the people in it are to engage in interpersonal feuds and mutual ridicule because of hypersensitivity to minor differences.

Coined by Freud. People haven't changed in 100 years for sure.

[karleone]

Originally Posted by Redsub71

The same watch Enthusiasts would have preferred a novelty and not a copy. That's what you hear everywhere about the new Daytona.

You are the only one saying that. Stop generalizing. We enthusiasts love the new ref.

[karleone]

Originally Posted by illiguy

Love that, in the grand scheme of things, minute differences elicit some passionate responses from folks at TRF. True enthusiasts!

The 11 and 12 White are both great watches, and there is no “wrong” answer. As stated a couple of times, I personally prefer the 11 White, and so do another 49% of folks. I am also on the list for a 12 White from my AD.

I wonder how polling would look if we made this between the 11 and 12 Black. I’d venture a guess that the 12 Black would come out ahead by a larger margin versus the 11 Black when compared to this poll.

I know I would vote 12 Black, simply because on the Black dial I much prefer the contrast with the bezel ring. Should we do that poll - 12 Black versus 11 Black?

If interest, someone else spin it up.

Great idea! But please take real pictures and quality shots and not renders where the exact proportion / watch can be quite different from the real watch.

[karleone]

116500 vs 126500 in black

[Redsub71]

Originally Posted by karleone

You are the only one saying that. Stop generalizing. We enthusiasts love the new ref.

You're getting nervous, the truth hurts. You prefer the new one because as you wrote, they didn't deliver you the white. Everyone preferred white, no one wanted black.

[Redsub71]

Originally Posted by Neil McCauley

More drivel, good grief.

Literally, the only person saying this about the new Daytona is you.

Everyone knows Rolex does slow evolution with small incremental changes.

Marketing takes you for a walk on a leash

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by illiguy

I wonder how polling would look if we made this between the 11 and 12 Black. I’d venture a guess that the 12 Black would come out ahead by a larger margin versus the 11 Black when compared to this poll.

Few people would be able to predict the "ever-increasing number of scratches" that will remain on the metal bezel ring the longer it is used.
In other words, the "current rating" for an 116500 or even a 126500 would be merely a temporary rating.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by watcheeze

Few people would be able to predict the "ever-increasing number of scratches" that will remain on the metal bezel ring the longer it is used.
In other words, the "current rating" for an 116500 or even a 126500 would be merely a temporary rating.

Pretty much all watches have a metal bezel trim.

My 4520V, 321, 126500, the ring around all my seamasters etc is scratched.

It's intuitively obvious to even a casual observer that a polished metal ring is going to scratch.

[karleone]

Originally Posted by Redsub71

You're getting nervous, the truth hurts. You prefer the new one because as you wrote, they didn't deliver you the white. Everyone preferred white, no one wanted black.

I never wrote that. When I bought my 116500, I had the choice between the white and black dials, and I chose black with no regrets. For the 126500, I was on the list for the white dial. I received calls from my AD twice for the black dial, but I declined both times as I was waiting for the white. Apart from spreading nonsense about copies, you’re not contributing much to this conversation.

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by EEpro

My 4520V, 321, 126500, the ring around all my seamasters etc is scratched.

I would like to see the 126500 metal ring from various angles to see how scratched it is.
This is one of the reasons why I personally am hesitant to purchase a model with a "metal bezel ring frame". The 116500 does not have a metal ring.
These may have something to do with your personality such as how you usually treat your watch.

[BraveBold]

I also had a choice between white and black dial. Complete choice - I chose black.

The 116500 will be a future classic. Both versions are great - just a matter of preference. My guess is that those who project some sort of “you must have settled” are overly invested in whatever they selected. Emotionally or otherwise. It is hard to see how else someone would assume a small amount of $ would dissuade someone from getting what they want at this price point…

[Redsub71]

Originally Posted by karleone

I never wrote that. When I bought my 116500, I had the choice between the white and black dials, and I chose black with no regrets. For the 126500, I was on the list for the white dial. I received calls from my AD twice for the black dial, but I declined both times as I was waiting for the white. Apart from spreading nonsense about copies, you’re not contributing much to this conversation.

You are humiliating yourself with your own hands. I will conclude now

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by watcheeze

Few people would be able to predict the "ever-increasing number of scratches" that will remain on the metal bezel ring the longer it is used.
In other words, the "current rating" for an 116500 or even a 126500 would be merely a temporary rating.

It is funny because the best part of the 126 version of the black is that the ring provides an easy point of contrast in photos. So for those who buy to instagram their stuff (maybe to pay for it? LOL) the 126 is an upgrade. It allows for lazier photographers to get better shots. Of course if you know how to take pictures, you can get a more natural image of either - and in-person (and in well-taken photos) the 116 is nicer looking. It isn’t some dramatic difference, of course. To 99% of people they look identical. But the 116 has better balance and that is why I think it will be a classic. This is especially apparent when comparing them in-person.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by watcheeze

I would like to see the 126500 metal ring from various angles to see how scratched it is.
This is one of the reasons why I personally am hesitant to purchase a model with a "metal bezel ring frame". The 116500 does not have a metal ring.
These may have something to do with your personality such as how you usually treat your watch.

You would be limiting your watch choices to pretty much one though. Thankfully 116500 is a good one. If this is your key concern the choice is easy. Get the 116500 and don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

You can only see the superficial scratches with the right lighting angle or magnification. In reality the metal bezel aesthetic is beautiful on both 126500 and 321 in real life.

[illiguy]

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by EEpro

In psychoanalysis, the narcissism of small differences is the idea that the more a relationship or community shares commonalities, the more likely the people in it are to engage in interpersonal feuds and mutual ridicule because of hypersensitivity to minor differences.

Coined by Freud. People haven't changed in 100 years for sure.

Well said! A largely homogenous Rolex watch community will fight to the death over a 1 mm case redesign.

[Greg.A]

Originally Posted by EEpro

You would be limiting your watch choices to pretty much one though. Thankfully 116500 is a good one. If this is your key concern the choice is easy. Get the 116500 and don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

You can only see the superficial scratches with the right lighting angle or magnification. In reality the metal bezel aesthetic is beautiful on both 126500 and 321 in real life.

Metal ring also helps to protect the ceramic bezel from knocks, as ceramic is known to be pretty resistant to scratches but is however brittle. Metal ring is also a nod to earlier Daytona designs.

[watcheeze]

Originally Posted by BraveBold

It is funny because the best part of the 126 version of the black is that the ring provides an easy point of contrast in photos. So for those who buy to instagram their stuff (maybe to pay for it? LOL) the 126 is an upgrade. It allows for lazier photographers to get better shots. Of course if you know how to take pictures, you can get a more natural image of either - and in-person (and in well-taken photos) the 116 is nicer looking. It isn’t some dramatic difference, of course. To 99% of people they look identical. But the 116 has better balance and that is why I think it will be a classic. This is especially apparent when comparing them in-person.

You're right, it looks the same to 99% of people.
I think the 126500 looks flat overall, perhaps due to the 126500's huge case.
On the other hand, the 116500, coupled with the slimmer case, has a moderate "3D" look overall, and the overall balance is very appealing.
My personality would put me off the 126500's best feature, the metal rings, to the point that they will be scratched in the future.
Maybe this is because I know that the original role of the metal ring was introduced to protect the plastic bezel.

Originally Posted by EEpro

You would be limiting your watch choices to pretty much one though. Thankfully 116500 is a good one. If this is your key concern the choice is easy. Get the 116500 and don't worry about what anyone else thinks.

You can only see the superficial scratches with the right lighting angle or magnification. In reality the metal bezel aesthetic is beautiful on both 126500 and 321 in real life.

In fact, I have had the opportunity to see 116520s with "scratched metal bezels" in the past, and every time I saw one, I was heartbroken.
Considering that if it were a big scuff it would be more noticeable, the 116500 with the full ceramic bezel looks attractive to me.
If you get a chance somewhere in the future, please show me the light scratches on the metal bezel ring of the 126500.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by watcheeze

You're right, it looks the same to 99% of people.
I think the 126500 looks flat overall, perhaps due to the 126500's huge case.
On the other hand, the 116500, coupled with the slimmer case, has a moderate "3D" look overall, and the overall balance is very appealing.
My personality would put me off the 126500's best feature, the metal rings, to the point that they will be scratched in the future.
Maybe this is because I know that the original role of the metal ring was introduced to protect the plastic bezel.



In fact, I have had the opportunity to see 116520s with "scratched metal bezels" in the past, and every time I saw one, I was heartbroken.
Considering that if it were a big scuff it would be more noticeable, the 116500 with the full ceramic bezel looks attractive to me.
If you get a chance somewhere in the future, please show me the light scratches on the metal bezel ring of the 126500.

Talking about rings only... not that bag of ass entirely metal bezel

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Greg.A

Metal ring also helps to protect the ceramic bezel from knocks, as ceramic is known to be pretty resistant to scratches but is however brittle. Metal ring is also a nod to earlier Daytona designs.

I like it. Looks like a ceramic zenith in a 509 case to me.