Official vacheron overseas thread!!

[swish77]

Originally Posted by sgrossma

This didn't quite happen overnight. This time last year, the blue 4500 wait had already built up to almost a year, which is why they closed the official deposit list. I was originally told there was a chance it would open again once they fulfilled more orders, but demand grew and grew to the point that all colors were over a year wait and the lists for everything closed. Don't forgot, it is estimated that VC only makes a few hundred max of each dial color per year, globally. That is absolutely nothing... and significantly less than AP makes of the Royal Oak.

There are a lot more shocking things to me - like the fact that "mass" produced Rolex subs are going for >50%+ over and have become nearly unobtainable.

Agreed it wasn't overnight, but it was still pretty darn fast. The Overseas got swept up in the pandemic-related hysteria over all luxury items, including high-end watches. It has more to do with that than the beauty of the watch itself, IMHO.

The blue Overseas is the same watch, of course, that you could still easily get for a discount as recently as summer 2020 (during the pandemic), and that gray-market dealers were offering to buy for only $17K-$18K.

And totally agree on the pricing of Subs. Nice watch, but man, it's way overpriced on the secondary market for what it is, and the same could be said for the Overseas and tons of other watches.

[Jimbo]

Originally Posted by RobHK

Not very nice perhaps, but your comment was pretty darn snarky as well. Coming into the VC thread and talking about poor mans watch. The retail price is basically in-line of this and the AP, what's so poor man about it?

Are you being serious?

[phiberoptiks]

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Are you being serious?

That was actually my first thought as well, the "poor-man's" comment would not be received well.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Jimbo

Are you being serious?

It was a ridiculous comment. Don't double down on it.

[phiberoptiks]

To help you understand, you basically insulted every overseas owner here, on an overseas forum, by claiming we all bought "second-rate" watches just because we couldn't get Nautili or Royal Oaks. Most of us here believe the overseas is way better than those two options. We're not all here as gray dealers making speculative investment purchases.

[JF100]

amen.

[DoricSpiker]

I don’t own one but it’s the best looking of the 3 being mentioned. My personal fav is reverse panda chronograph.
The nautilus has always looked to me like an aquanaut that has been run over!
Royal Oak good looking as well but the chronograph is chunky.
Love the VC folks. One day I will take the plunge.


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[PBJ1925]

Cool thing about owning a VC is you generally run incognito without having to look over your shoulder much. Went to the local JLC boutique to checkout a tribute reverso when the service advisor goes, love your Baume and Mercier.

[quantumdna]

[Cloudchaser]

Originally Posted by poweredbyjae

Cool thing about owning a VC is you generally run incognito without having to look over your shoulder much. Went to the local JLC boutique to checkout a tribute reverso when the service advisor goes, love your Baume and Mercier.

Curious here...if someone in the watch industry easily mistakes it for another brand, what leads you to believe that someone with nefarious intentions won't do the same?

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by Cloudchaser

Curious here...if someone in the watch industry easily mistakes it for another brand, what leads you to believe that someone with nefarious intentions won't do the same?

Interesting question but perhaps the point is that the VCO doesn't resemble many of the more mainstream watches that could be mistaken for another that may get wanted or unwanted attention.

[Cloudchaser]

Originally Posted by poweredbyjae

Interesting question but perhaps the point is that the VCO doesn't resemble many of the more mainstream watches that could be mistaken for another that may get wanted or unwanted attention.

I think the differences to WIS are marked but to opportunists non-existent. To those outside of our area of obsession/interest, it is a watch, not necessarily a brand. They would worry about brand after they assumed possession.

And if you're wearing a VCO, you probably have some shoe game, too; point is, you likely send more signals than you realize if you're worried about people eyeing you.

My wife was worried about upgrading her diamond for similar reasons. I countered that the marginal carat size increase was far less telling than was the bag she was carrying or the car she was driving.

[Nathan_]

Originally Posted by phiberoptiks

To help you understand, you basically insulted every overseas owner here, on an overseas forum, by claiming we all bought "second-rate" watches just because we couldn't get Nautili or Royal Oaks. Most of us here believe the overseas is way better than those two options. We're not all here as gray dealers making speculative investment purchases.

Well said.

I sold my RO to buy the VCO

[Eapfep]

Does anybody know what wait times are like for Black 7900Vs?

EDIT: I'm going to also assume that wait list = no discount? Or have others successfully managed to negotiate a discount by the time they got the call from a waitlist?

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by Eapfep

Does anybody know what wait times are like for Black 7900Vs?

EDIT: I'm going to also assume that wait list = no discount? Or have others successfully managed to negotiate a discount by the time they got the call from a waitlist?

There's no discount in the current market much less the ability to get on a real wait list. It's expression of interest only in North America unless you have a relationship with your local boutique.

[10XRolex]

Originally Posted by quantumdna

Damn you. You got the orange strap. I was late to the party in trying to get one.

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[Eapfep]

Originally Posted by poweredbyjae

There's no discount in the current market much less the ability to get on a real wait list. It's expression of interest only in North America unless you have a relationship with your local boutique.

That makes sense. I've ordered some straps/screws for my Gen 2 Overseas with my local boutique but nothing to constitute a "relationship" in the traditional sense.

With that being said, I was under the impression the Black / Silver 7900Vs had a much shorter wait compared to the Blue 7900V or 4500Vs. My SA seemed sincere about taking down my preferences and putting me on the wait list but who knows...

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by Eapfep

That makes sense. I've ordered some straps/screws for my Gen 2 Overseas with my local boutique but nothing to constitute a "relationship" in the traditional sense.

With that being said, I was under the impression the Black / Silver 7900Vs had a much shorter wait compared to the Blue 7900V or 4500Vs. My SA seemed sincere about taking down my preferences and putting me on the wait list but who knows...

You're spot on in that it is a shorter wait for the black and silver vs the blue since the blue currently is Boutique only.

Directionally blue has the longest wait, and silver the shortest across the different models of Overseas. There's naturally some latitude the local ADs and/or Boutiques will have based on your engagement so hopefully yours will be able to source one for you sooner than later. Either way its a terrific piece you're closing in on, definitely worth the wait.

[ILoveFerrari]

Originally Posted by Jimbo

When did the VC Overseas get so nuts? One calendar year ago, there was virtually no hype for this watch. But an Overseas Blue dial for $60k? Years of wait?

I don't get it. This was supposed to be the poor man's Nautilus, or Royal Oak.

Interesting to see how trollish your post appears to be. Did you not just write that VC is still in the holy trinity in another thread of New holy trinity? May be Ferdinand Berthoud would qualify to you as a non poor man's watch? My point is I could get a Berthoud and it still be considered a poor man's watch to someone who has couple Dufours. But wait, someone who has real taste in horology would not make such comment because he understands the value of the watch is relative and it means only intangibly more when one can appreciate the history and story of the watch itself. Vacheron Constantin is one fine revered manufacturer that, ahem, is the oldest swiss watch manufacture and older than USA. Now do you understand your comment reflect poorly on your appreciation and understanding of horology, and of course, unless you are just trolling.

"To apply the criteria I am reading over this thread, in terms of 3 high-horology watchmakers who make on a consistent basis, and in decent volume, the holy trinity quality of watches, to me the "new" holy trinity is:

A Lange
Patek
VC

(c) VC is the borderline choice here for me. While they seems to have placed third fiddle within the traditional "holy trinity", they have largely avoided being identified with a singular line (i.e., they are not as strongly tied to the Overseas as AP might be with the Royal Oak or Patek with the Nautilus). Their dress watches are also beautiful and classic (think Vacheron American line). Again, beautiful design and finish throughout. I think they are overshadowed by the other two on my list to an extent, but I still include VC in the three."

[EEpro]

Love this dial

[gmtmister]

Does anyone own a dual time and a gmt master II?
I’d love to see them next to each other to see how the sizes compare.

[raclaims]

Yeah I do...they def feel diff on the wrist...I much prefer the VC...

[thekman]

Originally Posted by Ale

Does anyone own a dual time and a gmt master II?
I’d love to see them next to each other to see how the sizes compare.

I did and I sold the GMT after getting the VC DT. No comparison.

[Afficionado]

No comparison. I have a gen II, and a gen III blue three hand and chrono as well as a batgirl, no comparison. The integrated bracelet and the feel of the watch was a much more substantial. Rolex is a great company but VC is at another level.

[gmtmister]

Originally Posted by raclaims

Yeah I do...they def feel diff on the wrist...I much prefer the VC...

Would it be possible for you to post a photo? Thanks!

[ATSE]

Originally Posted by Ale

Would it be possible for you to post a photo? Thanks!

My friends watch. Night and day difference. The bracelet feel on the VC is next level. Rolex looks like a toy next to it.

[Racecar001]

Here’s a gmt master II and the dual time. The heft and feel isn’t even close. The VC dualtime is the thickest of the VC/GP line so everything else will be much thinner than a Rolex could be.




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[Racecar001]

Here’s a GO vs a dualtime. The ceramic GP was laughably light compared the the overseas. The GPs bracelet is super nice (in line with Rolex) but still nowhere near the felt quality of the VC.



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[sgrossma]

Nice comparison.

[EEpro]

Great pics. Surely the 5500V is thicker than the dual time though. 13.7 mm vs 12.8 mm on the 7900V.