32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by mario1971

I don't look for problems where they are not..

How can you tell that none of your watches in your collection have a problem if you dont test them at all ?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

How can you tell that none of your watches in your collection have a problem if you dont test them at all ?

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

How can you tell that none of your watches in your collection have a problem if you dont test them at all ?

Neither does an average of more than 1 second a day. It's enough for me...

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by mario1971

Neither does an average of more than 1 second a day. It's enough for me...

Is that after a full wind to start with and what position at rest at night.

Always the same for all of your watches ?

[Thomas Mudge]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

OhOh ! You are entering the slippery slope I fell into

I bought a Weishi 1900. Its a good machine.

But ...... I also have Co-Axials in my meagre collection.

I ensed up buying a very much more expensive Timegrapher, very similar to those used by watchmakers and manufacturers.

It handles just about any watch you can imagine and then some. Its super accurate and gives you all the information that you could possibly need.

The Weishi is back in a box, unused, and in a cupboard.

Trust me. There is no manufacturers using a Weishi Timegrapher.
And no, it is not similar, it's very far away from a genuine Witschi.

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Is that after a full wind to start with and what position at rest at night.



Always the same for all of your watches ?

Worn during the day, put aside at night with the lace facing up or with the shield facing up.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Thomas Mudge

Trust me. There is no manufacturers using a Weishi Timegrapher.
And no, it is not similar, it's very far away from a genuine Witschi.

I do trust you !!!!!

That’s why I now use a Witschi S1 G2 A very excellent machine.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by mario1971

Worn during the day, put aside at night with the lace facing up or with the shield facing up.

I guess that’s Dial Up and 3Up.

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I guess that’s Dial Up and 3Up.

Yes.

[RFC]

Would you send a 3230 Sub to RSC under warranty for regulation if it’s running consistently at -2 s/day regardless of position? I don’t wear this Sub daily so I can wait. A downside is that the case would have been opened and serviced. Thoughts?

[aayates]

No I would not.

[ScrantonStrangler]

Originally Posted by RFC

Would you send a 3230 Sub to RSC under warranty for regulation if it’s running consistently at -2 s/day regardless of position? I don’t wear this Sub daily so I can wait. A downside is that the case would have been opened and serviced. Thoughts?

+/- 2 is within spec from Rolex, I believe. Wear it more often and that daily rate might actually improve.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by RFC

Would you send a 3230 Sub to RSC under warranty for regulation if it’s running consistently at -2 s/day regardless of position? I don’t wear this Sub daily so I can wait. A downside is that the case would have been opened and serviced. Thoughts?

Nah I wouldn’t let anyone touch a watch running like that.

Only get concerned if one day all of a sudden its -5 when you’ve treated it the same as always. At that point worth getting someone to throw it on a timegrapher.


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[amanbra]

Originally Posted by mario1971

Yes.

Yeah the 32xx are amazing when in spec. Those daily timing certainly look that way. Also I totally understand not measuring when there isn’t an issue. I didn’t own a timegrapher until my dj fell ill to this. All my non 32xx watches don’t touch the timegrapher.

Can you let us know how old your eight watches are and what movements they have?

I’ve just had a Nov 2021 3255 just become unable to hold 200 after 24 hours crown down. It’s timing has drift from -2 to -4 from when new. So for me I’m at 5 of 8 being problematic.


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[Dirt]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Nah I wouldn’t let anyone touch a watch running like that.

Only get concerned if one day all of a sudden its -5 when you’ve treated it the same as always. At that point worth getting someone to throw it on a timegrapher.


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Agreed
Let sleeping dogs lay and it's just fine for now.
There's no point looking for trouble either.

For that matter Rolex won't touch it unless it meets the unacceptably low amplitude threshold anyway

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Yeah the 32xx are amazing when in spec. Those daily timing certainly look that way. Also I totally understand not measuring when there isn’t an issue. I didn’t own a timegrapher until my dj fell ill to this. All my non 32xx watches don’t touch the timegrapher.

Can you let us know how old your eight watches are and what movements they have?

I’ve just had a Nov 2021 3255 just become unable to hold 200 after 24 hours crown down. It’s timing has drift from -2 to -4 from when new. So for me I’m at 5 of 8 being problematic.


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Out of 8 with the 32xx mechanism, I have 4 left. Two from 3235 and two from 3285. The oldest is just over a year old.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by mario1971

Out of 8 with the 32xx mechanism, I have 4 left. Two from 3235 and two from 3285. The oldest is just over a year old.

Okay thanks for that clarification. So the actual known sample here is four.

Of the four you have if any of them all of a sudden change timing pls report back. We would all appreciate it.

For me the problems all started 6 months to 1 year into ownership.

Hope they’re all fine.


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[mario1971]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Okay thanks for that clarification. So the actual known sample here is four.

Of the four you have if any of them all of a sudden change timing pls report back. We would all appreciate it.

For me the problems all started 6 months to 1 year into ownership.

Hope they’re all fine.


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Ok. Only the new Pepsi does -0.5 seconds / day and needs a few days of continuous wear to be positive. Werki 32xx lose time on the last day of the power reserve, right at the end. But that's their specificity. In the first 65 ~ 68 hours, they run perfectly, and in the last two hours, they slow down slightly, about 3 seconds. When counting the average, it's still perfect.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by mario1971

Ok. Only the new Pepsi does -0.5 seconds / day and needs a few days of continuous wear to be positive. Werki 32xx lose time on the last day of the power reserve, right at the end. But that's their specificity. In the first 65 ~ 68 hours, they run perfectly, and in the last two hours, they slow down slightly, about 3 seconds. When counting the average, it's still perfect.

Yeah timing at the end of the power reserve isn’t of concern at all. Does sound like your movement is working well which is all we want really.


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[mario1971]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Yeah timing at the end of the power reserve isn’t of concern at all. Does sound like your movement is working well which is all we want really.


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Which is why I feel so well.

[saxo3]

To all who do not remember or never read the first post.

We've got several other threads talking about this movement, but the goal here is to have a single source of real data, both the poll question - has your movement had an issue, yes/no - and actual timegrapher data to give us a feel for "normal" amplitudes.

[Tyd450]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Most issue reports on this forum were made for 3235 and 3285, significantly less for 3230, which may depend on the introduction dates of the 32xx movements:

2015: 3235, 3255
2016: -
2017: -
2018: 3285
2019: -
2020: 3230

Originally Posted by douglasf13

Yeah, there have been some 3230 users with problems, too. It’s just a less common movement.

Well I am picking mine up tomorrow, hopefully I get a good one!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Tyd450

Well I am picking mine up tomorrow, hopefully I get a good one!

A 124060 in Chicago?
Good luck and enjoy.

[Youngling]

Hello again everyone,
Just wanted to give you an update :)

I picked up my first ever luxury watch (therefore first Rolex) at Friday - 126610ln. It was a lovely experience, I even got a Rolex suede travel pouch as well as a Rolex branded dark green cap. I am totally in love with it, I may be experiencing what many people call the ”honeymoon phase”…

I know this is a thread about the performance of the 32xx movements and I know it is the most interesting after a year but it is now doing -1 spd. Can try to give an update every month if that is something people would be interested in.

[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by Youngling

Hello again everyone,
Just wanted to give you an update :)

I picked up my first ever luxury watch (therefore first Rolex) at Friday - 126610ln. It was a lovely experience, I even got a Rolex suede travel pouch as well as a Rolex branded dark green cap. I am totally in love with it, I may be experiencing what many people call the ”honeymoon phase”…

I know this is a thread about the performance of the 32xx movements and I know it is the most interesting after a year but it is now doing -1 spd. Can try to give an update every month if that is something people would be interested in.

Congratulations on your dream watch! Wear it in good health for many many years to come


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Youngling

I picked up my first ever luxury watch (therefore first Rolex) at Friday - 126610ln. …I know this is a thread about the performance of the 32xx movements and I know it is the most interesting after a year but it is now doing -1 spd. Can try to give an update every month if that is something people would be interested in.

Congratulations John!
As I wrote before: personally, I would ask the AD for a full set of 5-position timegrapher data after full caliber winding, only to keep it as a reference data set for later. Good luck and enjoy your new Submariner.

[Eric88]

I don't have a way to measure the precise data discussed in this thread, though I thought I'd share my experience after a month of continuous wear. I picked up my SubC Date brand new from my AD on 6/27/22 and have been wearing it 24/7, occasionally taking it off for showers. It has lost an average of .5 seconds per day, sitting about 12-13 seconds slow over the month I've been wearing it.

My other Rolexes trend more in the other direction, gradually gaining time, which I actually prefer as I'd like my watch to be fast rather than slow. Nonetheless, I'm satisfied with the accuracy of this watch and will keep monitoring it.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Eric88

I don't have a way to measure the precise data discussed in this thread, though I thought I'd share my experience after a month of continuous wear. I picked up my SubC Date brand new from my AD on 6/27/22 and have been wearing it 24/7, occasionally taking it off for showers. It has lost an average of .5 seconds per day, sitting about 12-13 seconds slow over the month I've been wearing it.

My other Rolexes trend more in the other direction, gradually gaining time, which I actually prefer as I'd like my watch to be fast rather than slow. Nonetheless, I'm satisfied with the accuracy of this watch and will keep monitoring it.

At an average loss of -0.5 s/d there will be positions where the movement runs at +.

Find one and use it as a resting position?

I would not expect you you have issues for quite a while but if it does happen you will clearly notice it.

[TheVTCGuy]

I was feeling a bit slow myself today so I laid down face up… Was right on time the rest of the day…..

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I was feeling a bit slow myself today so I laid down face up… Was right on time the rest of the day…..

What was your precise beat error?
-2/+2 sec/day?